Anxiety in Public

[IRuleMeParticipant]

IndependentlyFree wrote:

I appreciate the responses, however I don’t agree with a lot of your opinions. For example, one guy said, “Are you a chick?? Get over yourself. Stop caring what others think about you — it’s feminine to do so. You would be surprised how little others care what you do or say.”

I don’t mind being called a chick, but i dont like someone saying that you can just get over what other think about you. If I am being me, then ill act like it, and its not normally in conjunction with societies standards if im not watering myself down, this in turn garners attention from people. So to not care, doesnt make sense. You have to care to survive, because if you don’t care, you’ll make a mistake that will get you in trouble. Nothing crazy but like, not giving a woman what she wants at work for example. Its your JOB and you NEED it, so you have to play slave to the system. People talk about MGTOW for relationships, but forget about the rest of the time they’re a slave.

Are you really “independently free”, or is that tag fraudulent? You claim “NFG” and then turn around and admit caving to peer pressure and caring what people think. We’re not slaves, we do what we do to SURVIVE. There is a difference between being MGTOW (rejecting relationships with women and living a life how we want to) and going GALT. I suggest you learn the difference. You need to care, but you need to care about the RIGHT THINGS. Right now, your head is in the clouds, and you’re using it to justify your behavior. Why? Because you’re confused? Work through it. Most of the established guys say what they say because they’re light years ahead of you. They were at the point you are at years or decades ago. They’re in a different place.

IndependentlyFree wrote:

I always thought I was crazy, but whenever I am my normal MGTOW-self and not caring about other people, yet actively trying to avoid women and not give them preferential treatment if forced to interact with them, I can tell that people don’t like me. Its like they know im not playing their game, not on their “team” to say.I’m not against them, I just wanna be left alone. But that isn’t good enough for them. they want me to be a productive member of society, and engage in the family having ways. I DONT want that because of what it means nowadays. I woulda wanted it 100 years ago probably, but not in 2018. However, I am fine with not marrying, but i am just SO ANXIOUS all the time. Someone said women are traps, not guns. I just dont believe that. I really think we are persecuted. What can i do about this because it is legitimately taking its toll on my health.

You’re going about this whole thing all wrong. It’s not about “actively going out of your way to avoid women”, it’s about being INDIFFERENT to them. Jeez! No wonder you’re stressed out. You’re wasting energy TRYING to avoid them, that you’re making it obvious. So no surprise they think less of you. You need to develop an “ehhh” approach. Stop trying to hard.

And stop carrying this victim mentality that we’re all “persecuted”. I know you can see a lot of material being posted that displays how anti-man society is, but we’re not “persecuted”. We can walk down the street and get a sandwich without being chased by a mob for f~~~s sake!

You’ve been here for a couple of weeks or whatever, but it seems like you really don’t “get it” about the philosophy here. Maybe you captured the bullet points or whatever, but it doesn’t seem like you’re in sync with this philosophy. Perhaps you’re better off being a blue piller on the plantation.

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

IRuleMe wrote:

Are you really “independently free”, or is that tag fraudulent? You claim “NFG” and then turn around and admit caving to peer pressure and caring what people think. We’re not slaves, we do what we do to SURVIVE. There is a difference between being MGTOW (rejecting relationships with women and living a life how we want to) and going GALT. I suggest you learn the difference. You need to care, but you need to care about the RIGHT THINGS. Right now, your head is in the clouds, and you’re using it to justify your behavior. Why? Because you’re confused? Work through it. Most of the established guys say what they say because they’re light years ahead of you. They were at the point you are at years or decades ago. They’re in a different place.

I think what you miss is that there is a difference between caring abot what people think as an end in itself and carring about what people think as a means to an end. You can have NFG for the one but the other.

For example, I don’t really care about what people think about me, my opinions, the way I look etc… as a means of validating who I am.

I do care about what people think as it relates to me being an agent in this world with respect to interacting with the community at large, especially as it relates to my own projects.

For example, if some bitch walks into my office at work and says: “I think you are incompetent”. I really don’t give a s~~~ what she says and I know she is wrong.

I might care what she thinks, indirectly, if she is a customer and I am needing her sale for my sales targets this week. This might cause me anxiety if my boss is on my case and I was counting on the sale.

The problem is that “going galt” is often not an option. We require the cooperation of other people to get by in the world and sometimes being our true MGTOW selves does not always line up with this need.

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

Zarathustra wrote:

You’re going about this whole thing all wrong. It’s not about “actively going out of your way to avoid women”, it’s about being INDIFFERENT to them. Jeez! No wonder you’re stressed out. You’re wasting energy TRYING to avoid them, that you’re making it obvious. So no surprise they think less of you. You need to develop an “ehhh” approach. Stop trying to hard.

Again, in my personal life I could give two s~~~s about what women think and I am indifferent to them. But can I afford to do this as a salesmen when they make up 50% of my customers? If you consider all the blue pill men out there they probably account for greater than 50% of the sales decisions I face.

At the very least I need to act in a way that conveys I care about what they think, on a very surface level, even if I am lying, to get certain things done.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

You have to care about SOME things, otherwise you may as well be living homeless on the streets and sleeping in parks. There is a definitive balance, which again comes back to caring about things based on priority and importance. Necessity vs irrelevance. We’re not here to GALT. GALTing is the removal of yourself from society. MGTOW is about maintaining sovereignty, and about SELF OWNERSHIP. If one wants to “ghost society” then feel free. But as the OP pointed out, you can’t really do such a thing.

But to his point of “you’re all still a slave”, perhaps. In some context yes. Try to avoid paying taxes and see how far you get. Again, unless you choose to live homeless, or on some secluded place where NOOOOOO ONE will ever find you, then good luck. We all still need jobs, we all still need money in order to provide for ourselves. But where we jump off the train (and where MGTOW comes in) is not living in a way that society dictates we should live. By setting our own standards and not living by society’s. By doing something because we WANT to do it, not because society EXPECTS us to do it. You know… Like getting married, having kids, being a good little subservient bitch! By not letting society define us.

[Anonymous 3]

IndependentlyFree, I think you are to much into red pill rage. You are not free to deal naturally with women (using NFG) if you resent them and what they do to men.

Women have things given to them without earning, through manipulation and deception. Their lack of integrity allows them to deal with this without problems.

Some men are able to do that (they have no integrity also), but most men need to know their own value. They would not be happy living the life of automatic entitlement like women have today.

The mistake feminists made was to only look at the perks men had. They ignored the hard work, responsibility and sacrifices necessary to achieve these perks.

Even that was a result of women and men being different. For women everything comes from an act, by pretending, deceiving. For them its all the appearances. They do not conceive something being more than the appearance. And worst, for women the appearance is to hide the real intentions, that are usually predatory.

And vice-versa. Men do not understand women acting just for show. They think there must be some intrinsic reason, some constructive objective, like a man would have. They cannot see that the show hides women’s objectives, and those are not constructive, they are destructive and vampiric.

The Red Pill philosophy greatest value is to finally allow men to understand women. With this understanding comes a vaccination against their manipulations. And being free from their traps a man can find happiness for himself.

So, you should not worry about the injustice of this system and women. It is my opinion (and many others here) that this whole fraud is crumbling under the massive load of bulls~~~ it has accumulated.
I a sense the gynocentric system will punish itself if you let it.

You should focus on YOU! Getting your own health back and get contentment in your life. Doing what you want and stop giving a f~~~ about the crazies.

Just find some solace in the impending demise of the nut house as just retribution for its crimes against God and Man.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

IRuleMe wrote:

you can’t really do such a thing.

You can if you have a lot of money.

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