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Hi Guys
I’ve been thinking recently about how bad things have got out there since my relationship hiatus over the last 15 years. I’ll be 50 this year and there is no chance ever I will get into another relationship.
But I was wondering what I would be like if I was still under 30 in today’s society as it stands. I used to be horny as f~~~ at that age and going longer than a week without sex had me pulling my hair out. I did have a lot of one night stands and lived with 4 different women. I never married so even though the red pill and MGTOW were unheard of I think I may have had an inadvertent instinct that something wasn’t quite right, or I just simply got lucky. Mind you the first one took my home as a common law wife, the next two were horrible to their kids, treating them as ‘in the way’ and the fourth was cheating. I also have a son (told me she was on the pill) from a brief three month encounter. When he was born 28 years ago I said I’d arrange to sort things out. She f~~~ed off with her new boyfriend. I’ve never found her and never seen my son. Perhaps that was enough to make any man give up with relationships.
How do you younger guys get by, certainly with the biological issues? With MGTOW and everything else out there now to help people be aware, you guys must approach life very differently to me at that age. You know how women are whereas I was often confused and made to feel shamed and guilty. Although I don’t want to look back on life in regret, I sure wish I had that knowledge and wisdom back then.Women are so bad, if they changed the law so I kept the house, I still wouldn't marry one. I'd rather be homeless.
I’m in my 20s and have always been the hermit type since day 1. I didn’t relate to other people no matter how much I tried. I was also spoon fed a bunch of mangina shows like Everybody Loves Raymond since I was about 5 years old. This, coupled with the fact that I was aware of false rape/domestic accusations since puberty, contributed to me avoiding relations~~~s. I was also in a sense, the “socially awkward type” and eventually felt alienated from any group I was in. I think this part is due to me being autistic however.
I’m good with people and can be outgoing as hell when needed like when interacting with potential employers. I just see it as role-playing. However, it drains me of my energy big time and I feel completely exhausted afterwards. Mainly, because I’m forcing myself put on a certain act that people expect from me.
As for my sex life, I’ve never had one. I’ve always just watched porn/use sex toys (such as fleshlights). If my sex drive were particularly high during a certain week, I’d just spend a weekend jerkin off and watching porn. That way, during the weekdays, I wouldn’t of focused on sex at all.
I’m not doing this to avoiding having sex, I’d just rather do this instead of feeling completely drained after interacting with women. I hate putting on acts for people. Which is why unless it’s for my career or family events, I hardly interact with anyone because outside of the internet, I hate being around people as it is.
I’m close to your age but I I went full stupid with women too many times.
I highly recommend porn.
LOL
I’ll tell you the s~~~ cost me a lot of money and a real chunk of my self esteem that I can’t seem to get back.
Step into a relationship with the wrong woman and you land hard on your ass.
How many times does a guy have to land on his ass before he learns better? ??frankly my dear i don't give a damn
I’m in my 20s and have always been the hermit type since day 1. I didn’t relate to other people no matter how much I tried. I was also spoon fed a bunch of mangina shows like Everybody Loves Raymond since I was about 5 years old. This, coupled with the fact that I was aware of false rape/domestic accusations since puberty, contributed to me avoiding relations~~~s. I was also in a sense, the “socially awkward type” and eventually felt alienated from any group I was in. I think this part is due to me being autistic however.
I’m probably close to your age, and agree with most of what you said, except I was never diagnosed with any form of autism (people have jokingly called me “special” before though). My libido has recently erupted with a vengeance, and I’ve come to the realization that even though it’s been two years since the last time I had sex, I have very little motivation to seek it out. Looking-back, I don’t think I ever did. Maybe it’s because I live in Orange County (a cesspool of narcissism), but pretty much all of the women that I meet have a beautiful exterior and a hideous interior complex that prevents me from even wanting to greet them. If a woman shows interest I may act upon it, but I usually don’t because I know I won’t enjoy sexually pleasing females that I inherently despise.
I’m in my 20s and have always been the hermit type since day 1. I didn’t relate to other people no matter how much I tried. I was also spoon fed a bunch of mangina shows like Everybody Loves Raymond since I was about 5 years old. This, coupled with the fact that I was aware of false rape/domestic accusations since puberty, contributed to me avoiding relations~~~s. I was also in a sense, the “socially awkward type” and eventually felt alienated from any group I was in. I think this part is due to me being autistic however.
I’m probably close to your age, and agree with most of what you said, except I was never diagnosed with any form of autism (people have jokingly called me “special” before though). My libido has recently erupted with a vengeance, and I’ve come to the realization that even though it’s been two years since the last time I had sex, I have very little motivation to seek it out. Looking-back, I don’t think I ever did. Maybe it’s because I live in Orange County (a cesspool of narcissism), but pretty much all of the women that I meet have a beautiful exterior and a hideous interior complex that prevents me from even wanting to greet them. If a woman shows interest I may act upon it, but I usually don’t because I know I won’t enjoy sexually pleasing females that I inherently despise.
Yeah. Usually the most hot women I’ve ever met was narcissistic in some way or another. Which basically kept me away from having sex with them in general. And I’m definitely the same way. I might have sex if it were offered to me, but I don’t see the point. I’ve gotten used to having complete silence after watching porn. And after I do watch it, I tend to fall asleep for an hour or so and once I wake up, I end up making something to eat. I could never imagine having to talk to someone after sex much less paying attention to them because they want to “cuddle” or whatever.
But I was wondering what I would be like if I was still under 30 in today’s society as it stands
Have entertained that thought MANY times, and I wouldn’t want to be 21 again for all the tea in China. That’s also something I have heard many other men +40 / 50+ say.
I didn’t have it this rough at all. NONE of this s~~~ existed when I was starting out as a kid. It’s an insane, skewed and alternate reality alright.
I also place a remarkable change in social behaviors (especially in young women) at around the mid-90s. But even then, it was at least tolerable. Perhaps it takes a man a while to write his own policies and determine what he will (or won’t) put up with, but when 18 year old MGTOW showed up here, and news headlines feature 21 year old guys who are ALREADY FED UP, there’s something seriously wrong.
The best thing we can do for them is CONSTANTLY drive the point that it gets better. MUCH better.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I’m in my 20s and have always been the hermit type since day 1. I didn’t relate to other people no matter how much I tried. I was also spoon fed a bunch of mangina shows like Everybody Loves Raymond since I was about 5 years old. This, coupled with the fact that I was aware of false rape/domestic accusations since puberty, contributed to me avoiding relations~~~s. I was also in a sense, the “socially awkward type” and eventually felt alienated from any group I was in. I think this part is due to me being autistic however.
I’m probably close to your age, and agree with most of what you said, except I was never diagnosed with any form of autism (people have jokingly called me “special” before though). My libido has recently erupted with a vengeance, and I’ve come to the realization that even though it’s been two years since the last time I had sex, I have very little motivation to seek it out. Looking-back, I don’t think I ever did. Maybe it’s because I live in Orange County (a cesspool of narcissism), but pretty much all of the women that I meet have a beautiful exterior and a hideous interior complex that prevents me from even wanting to greet them. If a woman shows interest I may act upon it, but I usually don’t because I know I won’t enjoy sexually pleasing females that I inherently despise.
Yeah. Usually the most hot women I’ve ever met was narcissistic in some way or another. Which basically kept me away from having sex with them in general. And I’m definitely the same way. I might have sex if it were offered to me, but I don’t see the point. I’ve gotten used to having complete silence after watching porn. And after I do watch it, I tend to fall asleep for an hour or so and once I wake up, I end up making something to eat. I could never imagine having to talk to someone after sex much less paying attention to them because they want to “cuddle” or whatever.
Yep forgot how bad TV and media is now. A few points I’ve highlighted above also existed back in the early 80’s, but absolutely nowhere near the scale as it is today. I think a major change now also, is on-line interaction is killing public social skills. I find when I’m cabbying some of the younger generation are very difficult to talk to because they don’t socialize that way. I’m sure they have something to say but just don’t know how to say it. This and the feminization in schools / universities is creating a very unbalanced society.
I take my hat off to you younger guys for seeing through all the bulls~~~ and choosing MGTOW, at a time I know I would find it difficult if I was your age now.Women are so bad, if they changed the law so I kept the house, I still wouldn't marry one. I'd rather be homeless.
Have entertained that thought MANY times, and I wouldn’t want to be 21 again for all the tea in China. That’s also something I have heard many other men +40 / 50+ say.
I didn’t have it this rough at all. NONE of this s~~~ existed when I was starting out as a kid. It’s an insane, skewed and alternate reality alright.
I also place a remarkable change in social behaviors (especially in young women) at around the mid-90s. But even then, it was at least tolerable. Perhaps it takes a man a while to write his own policies and determine what he will (or won’t) put up with, but when 18 year old MGTOW showed up here, and news headlines feature 21 year old guys who are ALREADY FED UP, there’s something seriously wrong.
The best thing we can do for them is CONSTANTLY drive the point that it gets better. MUCH better.
Hi Keymaster
You posted the same time as I did! You pretty much echo my thoughts. Society has become very f~~~ed in a very short time.Women are so bad, if they changed the law so I kept the house, I still wouldn't marry one. I'd rather be homeless.
Early 30s here, until a few years ago, I was doing one night stands, short term relations~~~s, and the regular Russian roulette routines, of sticking dick in crazy, after having been through one long term relantions~~~. I then slowly started focusing on my personal goals, asking myself what the f~~~ I was doing with my life, I stopped caring more and more about picking up ladies at private parties and such, and just went by making it a fun time for myself, which ironically didn’t really solve the part of “stop picking up chicks”.
Once I started watching Stefan Molyneux, and listening to his audio books, I got a lot of red pills chugged into me, and I noticing how loose and dangerous I had been all along, and it also made me better at confronting and questioning the status quo, as time passed.
Perfectly enough, around that time a couple ex girlfriends had gotten bitten by baby rabies, and many of which turned into single moms, and often tried to get back together, at which I thought they were joking, because some had really lost their looks, while increased their narcissism levels tenfold.
Some times, I would, when out, fall into an old and bad routine, of taking a dip, just the tip, and wake up the next day half screaming, of how retarded that was.
Nowadays, when I can feel, that I could be swayed by some chick, who just happened to push the right buttons, I learned to simply watch some porn and jerk it off, clear my mind, and logically think about what and why it got stuck in my head, to seemingly numb my own logic senses. Biology is scary, and sometimes, it takes an extra pause, to catch oneself, attempting to reason yourself into sticking your dick into a damn bear trap.
Have been Ghost/Monk-mode for 3+ years now, I think, I still simply use my normal tactic, hide in plain sight, all kinds of vagueness and usual joke answers, when some woman tries to step into my zone.
The best means of keeping myself in control, has always been about remembering, the importance of time, and that I have had enough of stupid party fun, to now focus on the things I really want to aim fore. And it feels great, when I stick to my path, and my money pot has obviously also just increased exponentially thanks to that.
When out, I still keep up my routine of hiding in plain sight, and really loving coming with joke answers, because, that’s what it almost always is when out drinking any way, being vague, non answers, when someone tries to call or do a bluff with a dare, maybe do a double dare, if they want to jump on it, vaguely side step out, with a joke answer, and have your evening end, with a laugh, and no real regrets the day after, other than having spend time/money on a series of navigating through a social network, which sometimes has to be kept to a certain degree.
With family, it simply is, the “who/are you dating”, “are you thinking on finding someone and get kids?”, it’s surprisingly easy to simply say, “no time, no interest, maybe later, some time, who knows”. Since I have plenty of times come home, in the past, with some random girl, they really can’t play the gay card against me, but of course, some chick who wants your attention, will of course maybe drop that one, or some other dare game, I either play a long, if I find it amusing, for a good fun, or just use some vagueness and non answers, easy to divert mostly.
I’m 22, and truth be told porn helps. just a body function, sometimes you have to jerk it. Occasionally I’ll go after sex, but very picky, a lot of one night stands too just like you. Of course, there’s still shaming and all that, but the way I see it, it’s like that Nigerian Prince scheme that went on a while back. I’ve seen some people fall for it, and it ruined them. If you go into such life changing thing like that and don’t even consider the possibility that you will get burned you’re not thinking.
Seen too many men go that way, and while I would like to find and meet a NAWALT one day, and sometimes think about it, I realize that they don’t exist. If they did, maybe I’d feel differently. But I realize that the clouds aren’t made of cotton candy, Santa isn’t real, and women are bad news. Just a fact of life. Doesn’t keep me up at night, and I am able to do without and be much happier out of a relationship than I’ve ever been in a relationship.
PS
Good job on making it to 50 without getting f~~~ed over, man. A lot of guys aren’t that lucky. I hope to make it that long with no hassle from women.
Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.
but when 18 year old MGTOW showed up here, and news headlines feature 21 year old guys who are ALREADY FED UP, there’s something seriously wrong.
The best thing we can do for them is CONSTANTLY drive the point that it gets better. MUCH better.
Twenty-two year old here. Could you elaborate a bit on what exactly “better” means? And, for that matter, on what “it” is that gets “better”? Much obliged.
". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
Twenty-two year old here. Could you elaborate a bit on what exactly “better” means? And, for that matter, on what “it” is that gets “better”? Much obliged.
Certainly. “Better” typically means improved . Remember Elliot Roger (21) who thought his life was f~~~ing over at 21 and not having a girlfriend was something to kill himself over? Well, I also had a friend “Todd” (19) who threw himself in front of a train – over a BREAKUP.
Dead. At 19.
It gets better… because you can’t fall off the floor. And if you believe it, when you have a 40th birthday, you’ll wonder how on God’s green Earth you ever thought it was so terrible.
That’s what I would say to guys who are 21 and sucking on the business end of a pistol. It gets better. Unless you’re someone who thinks death is “better”.
But please, don’t take my word for it.
Here’s another guy who would tell you the same thing.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I’ll be 51 this year, and I can wholeheartedly vouch for the fact that it does get better with time. A LOT better. I had my share of relationship drama when I was younger, and, although I was never driven to the point of contemplating suicide (thankfully), I was certainly messed up.
Now, my life is payback for what I went through then. These are privileged days. I have peace of mind, freedom, and privacy. My time and money are my own. I can get exactly what I want.
As for women, I’ve hit a good sweet spot. Younger women look past me, and I have no desire to be the “creepy old guy” hitting on them or to dangle my hard-earned assets in front of them to try to impress them. Meanwhile, women in my age bracket are generally unappealing (boys, when most of these women hit the wall, they hit it hard). Plus, they have the same bulls~~~ list of demands they had when they were 25, and they’re now desperate to boot.
I agree; I would NEVER trade being 25 for being 50. No f~~~ing way.
"The wisest follow their own direction." -- Euripides
Remember Elliot Roger (21) who thought his life was f~~~ing over at 21 and not having a girlfriend was something to kill himself over?
It wasn’t that “he didn’t have a girlfriend.”
Pair-bonding is a basic human need, as much as eating or drinking is. Elliot Rodger did what he did because at twenty-two, having never even kissed a girl—and, on top of that, having being bullied and ostracized for almost his whole life, been treated like crap by both men and women alike—and seeing all his peers getting what he so desired, he took it as incontrovertible proof that he was undesirable, and was doomed to live a permanently celibate life. I can certainly attest that, at my age, the thought that you’ve never, and may never experience, man’s greatest pleasure, love. and a woman’s touch, while that pleasure seems to come so easily to people around you, can drive you mad.
In short, Elliot Rodger is living (dead?) proof of the necessity of human connection. The whole thing was really a tragedy.
Not that I should be construed into thinking what he did was okay. Not at all. All I’m saying is that I can understand where he came from.
Well, I also had a friend “Todd” (19) who threw himself in front of a train – over a BREAKUP.
Dead. At 19.
That’s awful. Some of the world’s greatest stories have been written on the basis of a young man in love; I guess some of the world’s tragedies can also claim the same.
Here’s another guy who would tell you the same thing.
I’ve watched that video about five times. It can help when I’m feeling down, but the problem is that not every young man ends up like Tom Leykis (i.e., rich and successful); in addition, men age out of the dating market too, just as much as women do (just at a different time).
But there’s no harm in trying to be something!
". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
Hello gents,
26 years of age myself, I have always been a bit socially awkward. In my younger years it wasn’t so bad but in 7th grade my parents moved us not once but twice within about 2 years; and I believe having to integrate into a new school environment twice in such a short time had an impact on my social skills.
Anyway this coupled with my feminized upbringing (be the nice guy) caused me to idolize women and get very nervous around them, rendering me incapable of interacting with them.
In turn I naturally gravitated to online porn, it was just easier than dealing with women. I have never had sex and remain a virgin to this day. Funnily enough that used to be something I was ashamed of; now I am very proud to be a virgin.
Once I found MGTOW my interest in ever finding a woman just dropped off completely; I grew up dreaming of finding my “soul mate,” getting married and having kids.
I also very much value my solitude, people in excess annoy me. That plus the fact that I never experienced sex has made it easy for me to accept my new MGTOW life.
Anonymous11I was still under 30 in today’s society as it stands. I used to be horny as f~~~ at that age and going longer than a week without sex had me pulling my hair out.
Fleshlights had not yet been invented when I was under 30. They would have been a Godsend for me but better late than never.
I do know that whenever I got out of a relations~~~ where I was getting regular sex that it took me a while to get back into monk mode. Kind of like quitting smoking.
I would like to thank Dr.Phibes for encapsulating exactly what I was talking about.
I can certainly attest that, at my age, the thought that you’ve never, and may never experience, man’s greatest pleasure, love. and a woman’s touch, while that pleasure seems to come so easily to people around you, can drive you mad.
OK, but there’s a big important correction to be made there, and I would direct you to this enormous red pill – if you have a glass of water handy. You will never find solace in the bosom of a female or a “woman’s touch”. You have been purely conditioned to think it’s one of the greatest pleasures in life… and experience with enough women will teach you that it’s false too.
Here’s the error:
“man’s greatest pleasure, love”… followed by the word “comes”You don’t need a woman to have PLENTY of love in your life and you don’t need her permission. Who we love the most are those we give the most to. It doesn’t “come” to you, and it never depends on her.
I have seen “love” illustrated like this:
MAN >> WOMAN >> CHILDREN >> PUPPIES
It never works in reverse.
And the man is not on the receiving end of it.The closest a man gets to “love” (in the way that you mean it) is a woman ALLOWING you to love HER. But it is not reciprocated. It only flows FROM you. The best part about “love” is you give it to whomever you want – whenever you want. We can love our work. We can love our cars. We can love ourselves. You can love your music and your piano. And as long as you’re giving to it, you’ll get out what you put in.
You will never say the same about a female.
She’s a temporary pleasure at best.That’s the beauty of it all.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.But I was wondering what I would be like if I was still under 30 in today’s society as it stands.
I was a nascent or proto-MGTOW in my 20s and 30s because of how I saw women behaving in the 1980s/90s. I don’t think I’d have any difficulties being a MGTOW today with how much more nastier women have become. As odd as it seems, younger MGTOWs have it easier than we did because the truth is so much more evident.
How do you younger guys get by, certainly with the biological issues?
They’ve options we never dreamed of like fleshlights, sex dolls, easier access to prostitutes/escorts, and an internet which basically provides unlimited access to pornography. While the VCR gave the industry a great boost, porn production has increased exponentially thanks to the internet.
With MGTOW and everything else out there now to help people be aware, you guys must approach life very differently to me at that age.
They have a chance to learn the truth about women while they’re still young while nearly all the men of our generation had to go through the tortures you listed. I actually envy them for being able to learn and apply MGTOW so early in their lives.
Although I don’t want to look back on life in regret, I sure wish I had that knowledge and wisdom back then.
We all do.
I wouldn’t want to be 25 again, but I would have to think about being 25 and still knowing what I know now. Our younger brothers have that advantage thanks to the increasingly nasty behavior of women.
As for the past, don’t rue it. Learn from it instead. Use your past to help teach the truth to others.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
I was still under 30 in today’s society as it stands. I used to be horny as f~~~ at that age and going longer than a week without sex had me pulling my hair out.
Fleshlights had not yet been invented when I was under 30. They would have been a Godsend for me but better late than never.
I do know that whenever I got out of a relations~~~ where I was getting regular sex that it took me a while to get back into monk mode. Kind of like quitting smoking.
I can see why men who’ve experienced sex can have a hard time going “monk mode” or just avoiding sex in general. And you’re right about the fleshlight thing. It’s a f~~~ing godsend. They now even have vibrating fleshlights. The only thing that matters on women are their holes in regards to sex and when you have a portable one, that has no risk of STDs, no worrying about bitching, yelling, or false rape/domestic abuse accusations, or pregnancy scares, why the f~~~ would want the real thing? Especially in this day and age.
Hell, they have silicon sex dolls that you can heat up before you use them.
For me, this is better than even thinking about attempting to have sex.
Anonymous11I saw women behaving in the 1980s/90s.
I was there too OldBill too. It colored my thinking to say the least though it took another 2 decades to finally surrender to reality. I like the term proto-MGTOW. I knew something was wrong so I always held back.
At 25, in the late 80s and early 90s, we oldsters were stabbing around in the dark not knowing what to do, or even what we were really up against. The NAWALT lie in which truly I believed led to tremendous torments for me over the years. I’m one of the lucky ones. I never paid the full price for my stupidity.
If one cannot define a problem, then one cannot fix the problem.You younger MGTOWs are most fortunate.
I just got off the phone with a blue pill c~~~ addicted friend who was angry that his girlfriend stole $200 he had hidden to pay utilities so she could party.
A chicken has more foresight than a woman.
@Infernal: My Fleshlight has kept me from my trolling the tourist bars for three months now. It has both protected me from potential life threatening troubles and more than paid for itself. I don’t always score which costs me money, and if I get a DUI my business is finished.
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