Age makes a difference

[ghostParticipant]

Great post, Greg. I don’t consider myself young anymore in terms of experience. My unicorn hunting days are officially OVER.

GALTED for GOOD

[The Black ScorpionParticipant 2146]

Agreed.

I was a monk MGTOW for decades before I started seeing high quality escorts.

Man, the things I could have done with that crazy young sex drive!

But I’m making up for lost time.

Avoid the dating scene altogether and start reading up on the professional sex hobby in your area.

Life is too short not to have fun with hot women with no strings attached.

While other guys are killing themselves chasing 4s, 5s and 6s, I’m seeing 9s and 10s.

There is no other way to live.

The greatest tragedy in life is to spend your whole life fishing only to discover that it was not fish you were after. - Henry David Thoreau

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Greg Honda wrote:

And what are you risking losing in your teens/ Twenties, if it goes wrong?

Potential.

That’s what you lose.

It’s little difference whether a woman takes a man’s savings in his forties or spends it before he can save it in his twenties. Wither way, the only solution is clear: pump and dump – nothing more.

[Anonymous 3]

Well you can also catch rape/harassment charges, and be shamed and socially ostracized. That happens fairly often to young men.

I have no idea how bad things are now. When I was younger, it was before smartphones existed. It is true young women just want to have sex with young men, they tend to avoid commitment like the plague at those ages, and want to hear nothing of it. I don’t think it’s particularly healthy to deal with that, but I guess it’s fine for a man to experience and learn it too.

But I think it really has gotten much worse. Ultimately it’s up to the young men. Truthfully, most of them probably can’t get any female attention to begin with. Not with today’s entitled female and their feminist/lesbian indoctrination. Teach women to avoid men and consider them creepy and perverted, and consider male attention harassment, and you will chill any possibly interaction between them.

I was considered very attractive and in all honesty, I can’t say I was “swimming in pussy” as others say they were. That never happened to me. What did happen is women buying me food, giving me gifts, doing my school/real work for me, catcalling me, following me around, touching my hair and my arms, pulling up to me when I was driving and asking about “having fun”, staring at me and then greeting me randomly as strangers, and other stuff like that. Usually if I would mention any of this, I’d get hostile reactions from other men, who would deny it, even though everyone knew I wasn’t a liar, and many had seen the positive reactions I constantly got from women. They’d have to have been blind not to see it. Only a very small number of other men that were either very good friends and were generally also very popular with women would mention something about my popularity with women. Often I’d pursue and the girls would claim they were “just being friendly” and make things very awkward.

Yet with all that, I didn’t really have that much sex. Most of the time even when I was banging a girl, she’d refuse to be my girlfriend, and would instead just insist on a purely sexual relationship. She would either have a boyfriend or would disappear after awhile. Most girls would tell me that it was for my own benefit, and would warn me about women. I know other men experienced this and can confirm it themselves, but I didn’t really find this out until much, much later, running into a rare guy that is built like me at work, and also on this website a few other guys shared a similar youth. And it wasn’t even that often for them, the brief time they were around. And I really didn’t have that harem, that “spinning plates” thing I see men on the internet always claim.

The vast majority of my friends were easily virgins until their mid or late 20s, even into early 30s. Very highly educated, STEM or white collar work for the most part, a lot of doctors too.

Now there are all sorts of different experiences people have. It is indeed very possible that there are men around that are banging a different supermodel level girl every night, with zero problems. I did have a couple of friends where it seemed like that, one in grad school that was a good guy and a bit chubby, but always seemed to have another really hot girl with him every other day or so.

But I know what I experienced. I know that in all the things I competed in, I excelled at, and most of the time people talked about how great they were, when we’d actually meet up or compete, I’d just crush them at everything. So my belief is most of the time men, especially young men, run their mouths on how great they are, they are lying and it’s just insecurity, that they are in fact the biggest losers.

I don’t write any of this to complain. I am way past the young age Greg is referring to, the time you should be having fun. I prioritized school work and had a specific upbringing that gave me trouble, but who knows, maybe nothing different would have happened anyway. But I think most men aren’t going to have that James Bond/PUA fantasy that gets pushed out. And I don’t think any man should stress that they aren’t living that way. Truth is you aren’t missing anything. Get sex out of the way if it helps you mentally, hire a professional even, and then never worry about it again. IMO

[ghostParticipant]

great response @phoenix

[RealityBitesParticipant 2198]

I concur with OP. I had my first marriage when I turned 40. 7 Years later I was divorced and really hurting financially. It took me literally years to recover, and I took some pretty big financial risks which happily have paid off.

Today I have far more in assets than I did when I got my divorce, but I am also a lot older and closer to retirement. A second divorce for me is non-recoverable. In fact I wouldn’t have a prayer of retiring.

[TwistParticipant]

Jack Harper wrote:

Even young men that believe they wrangled a unicorn who was a virgin when they met her.

I married a virgin who I knew from 17. Don’t mean s~~~.
Not s~~~. From a Christian family. Don’t mean s~~~. AWALT.

This playing the field? The wasted energy and resources doing such – it really needs to be pursued in proper perspective. If I had the red pill rules, something that would properly be passed down the patriarchal path, life would have been so much better.

The field? Like cocaine. Fun, enlightening, etc. To deny that aspect is a lie. But it leads to ruin. As does the field. Mind the warning labels…

[Jack HarperParticipant 2863]

Twist wrote:

Jack Harper wrote:

Even young men that believe they wrangled a unicorn who was a virgin when they met her.

I married a virgin who I knew from 17. Don’t mean s~~~.
Not s~~~. From a Christian family. Don’t mean s~~~. AWALT.

This playing the field? The wasted energy and resources doing such – it really needs to be pursued in proper perspective. If I had the red pill rules, something that would properly be passed down the patriarchal path, life would have been so much better.

The field? Like cocaine. Fun, enlightening, etc. To deny that aspect is a lie. But it leads to ruin. As does the field. Mind the warning labels…

AWALT. Amen, brother.

[Anonymous 14]

Greg Honda wrote:

Lastly, as many members know I beleive, and had a Unicorn. However, the only chance you get to meet a Unicorn is when you are young. When you get old the only Unicorns are never divorced widdows. I don’t blame you if you meet a real Unicorn and marry her. I would, and have too. It’s worth it. If you don’t get out there you’ll never know.

I did exceptionally well when I was young with the ladies… All of the good ones were ones I met when young. Was this just because they were not yet thinking about kids, houses, and bank accounts? Yes, this is likely the truth of it all really as when I got older the game changed. It seemed to me that once I got into college women became more like Pro-Scouts who wanted to weigh and measure you in every conceivable way and the innocent companion/friend/playmate type began to fade away. It seemed like early to mid twenties is when they became aware of the fact that they are not getting any prettier and their chance of landing Mr. Right with the big wallet in the future was getting more and more slim by the day.

Unicorns? I don’t know if I met any as I never stuck around long enough to test the loyalty of the few really seemingly good ones I met when young, and as they got older they all seemed to be more and more in search of money, height, status, and power in the men they chased.

Did women change so much that they are even like this when really young now? I have no idea, either way, yes, my advice would be to have fun when young, they do not get better with age in any way whatsoever. As far as I can tell it is all downhill for them attitude wise and looks wise beginning around the early twenties, and maybe one has to do with the other more than we think.

[Anonymous 3]

Completely disagree.

The fact that you equate “spending time with women” with “having fun and living life” is enough of a reason to disregard everything you said. You have to resort to the same old blue pill shaming language, that we’re all so tired of hearing, to make your point. “Don’t hide”? “MGTOW as an excuse”? These are your words, seriously brother? Come on, you’re way better than that.

You don’t understand at all, why people go monk in the first place. They’re not doing it to hide from the world. They’re doing it because they understand the world. They’re not doing it to hide from women. They’re doing it because they understand women.

Also, if a woman is willing to marry you, right there it shows she’s no unicorn. I think you’re the one here that doesn’t understand women.

I really hope you just had a blue pill moment and this is not what you actually believe. I urge every young member to ignore this horrible advice.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Anonymous wrote:

All of the good ones were ones I met when young. Was this just because they were not yet thinking about kids, houses, and bank accounts? Yes, this is likely the truth of it all really as when I got older the game changed.

My experience was women just accumulate baggage as they age. High school days many of them were in their prime for looks and didn’t really have any baggage. Fast forward a few years and the number of single moms starts to pick up and more and more get f~~~ed in the head as they run up the c~~~ count. Fast forward to post college years and they are almost universally swimming in debt. Beyond their mid 20s many are starting to show their age and suffering from baby rabies. To top it all off at some point between 18 and 28 most of them these days also get fat and inked up.

For me it hasn’t really been so much my perception of what they think of me that makes me not want to date or have relations~~~s, its simply that almost all the women I meet around my age are trash. Even if divorce rape and false charges weren’t an issue, it still doesn’t change that by the time most women want to settle down they’ve already ruined themselves as far as being wife material goes.

Anonymous wrote:

You don’t understand at all, why people go monk in the first place. They’re not doing it to hide from the world. They’re doing it because they understand the world. They’re not doing it to hide from women. They’re doing it because they understand women.

Soon as you stop believing in unicorns, going monk simply becomes better than the alternative.

[NerdTunnelerParticipant]

I do think that OP is not referring for men to be with women for the sake of it…The message I got was for men not to use MGTOW as an excuse to hide from life…There is so much that life has to offer…
Being in my mid 30s, and red pilled I now see that perhaps when I was younger I should have banged those women that was itching to be with me…I was too idiotically blue pilled then even if I was being treated badly…Many older men advised me to go for it and live my life because I was not married, but I was too stuck up as a white knight…LOL…Now, if any girl comes my way and I too want her perhaps I would indulge while I can still get it up…But for having a relationship…nah…too much work for so little result…
Perhaps if I can have a business arrangement for a surrogate since I want a child if possible…
I am learning how to hide my assets and live simply so as not to attract too much attention from the gold diggers…AWALT…
Just dont be a hermit and hide from living life…Whatever life you decide, it is your choice but do the thing that makes you happy…You are responsible only to yourself and we only have one life to live….

I stand with feet apart and let my balls hang free...Manginas dont have balls...See how they stand and sit at the whim of their masters...

[DarkRyuParticipant 2354]

Sorry but women just aren’t for me (I’m 26). It really depends on how much value you put on pussy. For me it’s $0. Literally $0. Not even $0.01. In fact, you’d have to pay me to have sex (and not a small amount either). The risk of pregnancy and STD’s aren’t worth it for the pleasure I can get with a fleshlight, or even my hand. I will NEVER have sex with a woman. I’d literally rather f~~~ a dog or a horse because at least there’s no risk there (for the record, I do NOT f~~~ animals or anything else – I’m a virgin).

I can see how men got trapped into the marriage bulls~~~ back before the internet and great sex toys, but there’s absolutely no excuse for it nowadays. Millennials are having significantly less sex than Gen X or the Boomers. There’s a reason for that. Young guys today have more advanced ways of relieving the urge that are a LOT cheaper, easier, and less risky.

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

Anonymous wrote:

Completely disagree.

The fact that you equate “spending time with women” with “having fun and living life” is enough of a reason to disregard everything you said. You have to resort to the same old blue pill shaming language, that we’re all so tired of hearing, to make your point. “Don’t hide”? “MGTOW as an excuse”? These are your words, seriously brother? Come on, you’re way better than that.

You don’t understand at all, why people go monk in the first place. They’re not doing it to hide from the world. They’re doing it because they understand the world. They’re not doing it to hide from women. They’re doing it because they understand women.

Also, if a woman is willing to marry you, right there it shows she’s no unicorn. I think you’re the one here that doesn’t understand women.

I really hope you just had a blue pill moment and this is not what you actually believe. I urge every young member to ignore this horrible advice.

Yes it was really me. I’ve not been hacked,

My point is, that you get opportunities to experiment when young that you don’t get when older. if you are Red Pill, you can spot a Narc early on. Life is all about experiences and learning from them as you mature. Like it or not, women are part of life so should (IMO), be experienced when there is little risk of being damaged by the interaction if handled with caution.

I have found, that in small doses, a woman’s company can be very enjoyable. But this is usually in the time before they get cynical and manipulative. I had many good times in my 20’s in the company of women. This was the best time to do it. I had nothing to lose.

Now in my 50’s their appeal is not the same as we have both aged, so the opportunities are not really there. However, much of what I know about women is based on my experiences with them in my youth, good and Bad.

Without these experiences I wouldn’t be the man I am now, and I think I would be a lesser man for it. You can make money at most times of your life, but you only get to be young and carefree once. You can’t go back to that time again ever.

It’s better to regret something you have done, than something you haven’t done.

It's Time to get Wise

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

Great post! I agree with what you said. I worry about the 40 year old who never had experiences and now feels lonely and enters the dating stream unprepared. I think dating will help them to eventually swallow the red pill for good.

[TwistParticipant]

Zarathustra wrote:

I think dating will help them to eventually swallow the red pill for good.

They can visit me and spend a few hours reading my divorce papers instead. For free. I might even supply beer in the interest of the cause.

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