Age makes a difference

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

Just an observation for the young guys out there.

Might not be popular but I wanted to point out that there are different risks and rewards based on age:

When people my age are talking about how getting involved with women is a bad idea, it’s from our perspective as older guys who have some assets to lose. At my age, if I get screwed over, I lose everything and I have no time or strength to rebuild before I retire.

For a young guy, you can take some risks. Sure, use Red Pill to spot Red Flags and avoid being used. Don’t get married of course, But, Don’t use MGTOW as an excuse to hide from the world and avoid interactions with women. You can have fun with women when you are in your teens and twenties. You can experience and learn.

You can have a lot of fun. And what are you risking losing in your teens/ Twenties, if it goes wrong? You probably ain’t got no property to lose. no real assets to that you can’t replace. And for this price you get life experience. Two worst senarios, 1 She gets pregnant, ok, devastaing at the time, but even with 18 years child support you will only be 38 when you get free. That is still young. The worst senario is 2 an incurable STD. However, that can hit annyone, be as careful as you can.

What I don’t want is for a young guy to go Monk, and then realise at 40 years old that they could of had a lot of fun but their conversion to MGTOW put them off experminenting with women.

Lastly, as many members know I beleive, and had a Unicorn. However, the only chance you get to meet a Unicorn is when you are young. When you get old the only Unicorns are never divorced widdows. I don’t blame you if you meet a real Unicorn and marry her. I would, and have too. It’s worth it. If you don’t get out there you’ll never know.

So in closing. Don’t hide from life and use MGTOW as an excuse when you are young. Get as much experience as you can while being as safe as you can. Be your own Man, Don’t be a Simp. You may get lucky and bag a Unicorn, or probably not. But at least you won’t regret later in life that you could have had fun but denied yourself due to MGTOW caution.

It’s different for the older guys. We can’t come back if we lose everything. You can.

Don’t hide, Live.

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[MarketWatcherParticipant]

Greg Honda wrote:

For a young guy, you can take some risks. Sure, use Red Pill to spot Red Flags and avoid being used.

Greg Honda wrote:

But, Don’t use MGTOW as an excuse to hide from the world and avoid interactions with women

Greg Honda wrote:

Don’t hide, Live.

All very well said. Great topic Greg.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Here is a piece of advice from my own bitter experience when I was a young guy. When a girl you are interested in says to you–“I really like you as a friend”, She will NEVER EVER EVER change her mind no matter WHAT. Not even MONEY will change her mind. SO don’t waste another single second on her—tell her friends I got, don’t need another one BYE BYE (C~~~).

I wasted a LOT of years trying to change this person’s mind and it was all just a BIG fat Waste! Donlt make the same mistake I made.

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

PistolPete wrote:

Here is a piece of advice from my own bitter experience when I was a young guy. When a girl you are interested in says to you–“I really like you as a friend”, She will NEVER EVER EVER change her mind not matter WHAT. Not even MONEY will change her mind. SO don’t waste another single second on her—tell her friends I got, don’t need another one BYE BYE (C~~~).

I wasted a LOT of years trying to change this person’s mind and it was all just a BIG fat Waste! Donlt make the same mistake I made.

Me too man.

What a waste of time.

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[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

25 years ago…I was 18. First semester in college, started dating a girl. Got an STD. She was 18 and had a STD. Back then the odds of that were really low.

Fast forward, a modern 18 y.o. girl has a body count of at least 10.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Jack HarperParticipant 2863]

I agree with most of what you say Greg. The time to interact with women is definitely when they are young. But I would never recommend a man get married. Even young men that believe they wrangled a unicorn who was a virgin when they met her. I knew a couple of guys in that situation when I was younger. Both virgins when they met them in high school or college, both from strong Christian families… both had affairs after a few years of marriage and by then there were assets and children involved. There simply are no guarantees, and too many risks.

Also, interestingly both supposed unicorns I mentioned had affairs with their bosses and at least one ended up marrying the guy. How f~~~ing cliche, right?

[Bloody HeartlandParticipant 693]

Have not even had fun and I’m really put off already. Maybe someday in the future I’ll have enough money to flaunt and cover my tracks with fooling around and without wasting much, but right now all I’ve really got time for is myself.

"I have the fury of my own momentum." "With this ring I thee wed. Fire walk with me."

[joetechParticipant]

I read a story about a guy that married a woman in college. He went into the military and they stayed married for over twenty years. Then, one day she filed divorce papers on him. She told him, “Marrying you was a business decision. Now it’s time to cash in.” I don’t think today’s women can be trusted. F~~~ marriage, f~~~ co-habitation. Be a confirmed bachelor and live your life as a free man. The time to start building for retirement is when you are young. I can’t stress that enough. Women don’t look past the next weekend. They always figure some guy will come along and save them. Don’t be that guy.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[Billy&The CloneasaurusParticipant]

Jack Harper wrote:

But I would never recommend a man get married. Even young men that believe they wrangled a unicorn…

Agreed. You’re not marrying the girl she is, you’re marrying the woman she WILL BE. Unicorns are temporary, and there are no exceptions.

Spot on post Greg. Just be careful young guys…

The answer, is no.

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

joetech wrote:

I read a story about a guy that married a woman in college. He went into the military and they stayed married for over twenty years. Then, one day she filed divorce papers on him. She told him, “Marrying you was a business decision. Now it’s time to cash in.” I don’t think today’s women can be trusted. F~~~ marriage, f~~~ co-habitation. Be a confirmed bachelor and live your life as a free man. The time to start building for retirement is when you are young. I can’t stress that enough. Women don’t look past the next weekend. They always figure some guy will come along and save them. Don’t be that guy.

Appreciate that Joe, but I did specify, “Don’t get married” and “Use Red Pill to spot flags”.

I’m worried that young guys will miss out on the life experience we have and then be mad in later life that they are too old to get Hot Fun, at Low Cost, with Nothing to lose. Then being 40+ have a barren wasteland of used up divorcee’s to chose from when they could of had 20 yr olds putting out for “Chad Love” MGTOW Style.

🙂

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[Anonymous 43]

“I like you as a friend” is the cinderblock tied to your doinkus, and she pushes you off the boat and into the deep blue arctic sea.

[RemovedParticipant 4676]

This is great advice. Should youth be something that I could revisit, and I didn’t have as much to lose… Never get married, learn from what you read here, and know their true intentions. This is your life, live it.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Life is meant to be lived. No reason for an 18 or 20 year old to be living like a hermit. Go and experience life.

[Anonymous 1]

I get your post but unfortunately male suicide is high because a lot of young men aren’t red pill or aware enough to know why what’s happening is happening.

When women discard them, they hold themselves accountable because they don’t know the real truth.

A lot of young men kill themselves once a bitch has discarded them.

Unless these men in their 20’s are truly red pill then it’s just as dangerous.

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

Anonymous wrote:

I get your post but unfortunately male suicide is high because a lot of young men aren’t red pill or aware enough to know why what’s happening is happening.

When women discard them, they hold themselves accountable because they don’t know the real truth.

A lot of young men kill themselves once a bitch has discarded them.

Unless these men in their 20’s are truly red pill then it’s just as dangerous.

I agree with your points, but I am directing this post at young men who have discovered this site, so already have Red Pill knowledge, and based on the horror of the old guys have sworn off women at a young age.

My point is that they have less to lose than the old guys, and can play the game in relative safety having nothing to lose. I regret not playing the field more when I was young and good looking as I had Oneitis. Being Red Pilled Oneitis shouldn’t apply. I don’t want people regreting lost opportunities when too old to take adavantage of the changed dynamic, and then hating MGTOW for the party they refused to go to.

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[Anonymous 1]

Wow, great post Greg! I recently came to this conclusion too. I f~~~ed up and now it is too late. I have way too much to lose by getting involved with women. Wish I had played the field back when I had nothing to lose. I posted my conclusions on this thread:

The Wizard's Lesson and a Solar Eclipse

[BeerParticipant 11832]

joetech wrote:

The time to start building for retirement is when you are young.

I’d have done things so different if I could go back to being 18 and knowing what I know now. For starters I’d never go to college. I’d have just kept my 40k a year job, and all the time and money I spent on college would be time spent at a second job making more money earlier on and stuffing that money + tuition money into stocks. Given what stocks have done during that time if I was stuffing 20-30k a year into the market from 18-33 I’d probably be damn close to a millionaire right now, if not, I’d already be one.

At the time though I thought I’d get married, buy a house, and have kids so I’d need a high income. If I managed to purge those ideas from my head earlier and plan financially accordingly I think I’d have been able to shave a few years off my retirement date.

The way I look at it now its not worth chasing hot young pussy. If you can get some with very little effort, sure, go for it, but be safe, I think its unreasonable to expect masses of men to be lifelong virgins. Its just one of those things you have to try for yourself to figure out if the juice is worth the squeeze or not, but ultimately if you have money, hot, young, cheap pussy with no risk of legal action or child support is just a vacation away to somewhere where prostitution is legal.

[black_knightParticipant 2602]

Greg Honda, an insightful and intelligent post, as always. I’d like to add a little nugget of wisdom to it for the young men reading:

Understand the difference between happiness and pleasure. Women will mostly never bring happiness. That is something only you can find for, and in, yourself through time, discipline, curiosity, and inner strength. However, women will nearly always bring pleasure of some kind. That’s what women are: pleasurable (in some way, sometimes). Just go careful with the pleasure, because it VERY easily transcends into pain (i.e. pregnancy etc).

If only young people could understand the fundamental and philosophical difference between happiness and pleasure, the world would be a happier and pleasurable place.

You = happiness
Women = pleasure

It’s like the difference between accomplishemnt and drugs. Accomplishemt will always reward you with satisfaction, accolade, and status = happiness. Drugs will mostly always bring a transitory pleasure, but if you’re not careful, drugs’ll ruin you. There is no true and lasting happiness in drugs, there is no true and lasting happiness with women. But there is in self accomplishment.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Anonymous wrote:

Wow, great post Greg! I recently came to this conclusion too. I f~~~ed up and now it is too late. I have way too much to lose by getting involved with women. Wish I had played the field back when I had nothing to lose. I posted my conclusions on this thread:

Its harder to see when you are young and don’t have anything, but losing 18 years worth of investing during your 20s and 30s while you pay child support will f~~~ you over in life pretty good too. The 50 year old who loses half really isn’t going to be any worse off than the 40 year old who has very little saved for retirement because he got hammered with child support.

Think about it…if you have to pay 9k a year to some slut for a whoops baby for 18 years, 9k a year compounding at 10% a year comes out to a half million, and let’s just say it doubles again from 40-50 without adding to it…that whoops baby still cost you a million. Most 50 year olds that get divorce raped don’t even have a million to lose…

[Anonymous 1]

Greg Honda wrote:

I agree with your points, but I am directing this post at young men who have discovered this site, so already have Red Pill knowledge, and based on the horror of the old guys have sworn off women at a young age

When I wrote my reply I realised it could be argued that I missed the point, but when I think about it I’m not sure I did.

I’m certainly not being argumentative and I do believe you’re a smarter man than myself, but I do try and cut straight to the core of things.

Is the advice a little vicarious? Do you have some regrets in that regard?

Is it helpful to even red pill men given the risk? (And there are many) Probably not.

Have I been working all weekend powering down (and up) servers and decided to have a few beers as it’s a bank holiday? F~~~ yeah 🙂

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