Advice for a struggling MGTOW ?

[Ash NrahkParticipant 199]

Yea I know cypher was a pussy but I get why he wanted to go back.

How the hell do you move on ? I’m over the denial and now have my ass firmly stuck in anger. I just don’t f~~~ing well like it. If I turn the idiot box on it feels like I’m being deep throated with a turd. I used to really enjoy sci fi films etc etc and that’s basically gone along with a certain amount of tolerance to everyday bulls~~~.

The truth is all well and good but f~~~ me it sucks sometimes. How the hell have some of you moved on from this ?

Perhaps I shouldn’t have take a whole handful maybe one red pill at a time would have been smarter but then again if I was smart I wouldn’t be so p~~~ed off and here asking for some input.

Giving in and just saying f~~~ it seems like the easy way out but then again who am I to think I could even make a dent in this bulls~~~ society.

I want to move on and start living for myself but just typing this makes me feel guilt.

Reading this post back to myself makes me think I need to grow the hell up. No doubt I have a s~~~ ton of conditioning to undo along the way.

So any advice from those further down the road?

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

The anger will go away and then come back. It is layers like an onion.

Avoid all the females you can.

You have to accept that this is how it is and it will never get better.

Focus on making / saving money.

Get a second job. Learn skills for your next job.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[The_Mad_PirateParticipant 1278]

Cypher wanted to go back because the pain on knowing what lied beyond the veil was too painful for him. He preffered to live a numbing ilusion in total ignorance than face the road that lied ahead.
Remember, you go your own way, yo do your own thing. Whatever you decide, it’s your call, your responsability to face what happens next. That simple principle changes your entire existence, to face life with full personal responsability, with full self accountability.
So the first step is allways introspection, deconstructing oneself to realize what’s the way you want to go, what’s “your thing”. That’s an important aspect in order to learn to love yourself, to know who you are and what you want in life. Because after all, all that conditioning is nothing but window dressing, an artificial decoration of your personality, so unless you find out by yourself who you truly are you will never be able to shake up that conditioning.

"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning" "A world that vilifies men only breeds a generation of men that feel no empathy towards women" “In a woman’s mind , there is really no such thing as a ‘we’. In her eyes, earth allways revolves around her, not the other way around. So thinking that your needs , aspirations or desires are valid enough to be persued, or even that you are entitled achive such goals, is like asking your boss for a pay rise in your very first day at the job.”

[Ash NrahkParticipant 199]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

You have to accept that this is how it is and it will never get better.

Sound advice man thank you. I guess its this bit right here that’s the crux of it for me.

I can accept it kinda,mostly um maybe but it not getting any better ? It’s a cliff I just don’t know how to climb. I mean when all is said and done I actually like humanity. I want to see our kind thrive and one day make the leap into space etc. I guess I believe in humanity still and I cant just give that up.

Then again humanity wont miss a beat if I ghost out of it. Maybe that’s enough for me to let it go.

[Ash NrahkParticipant 199]

The_Mad_Pirate wrote:

Cypher wanted to go back because the pain on knowing what lied beyond the veil was too painful for him. He preffered to live a numbing ilusion in total ignorance than face the road that lied ahead.
Remember, you go your own way, yo do your own thing. Whatever you decide, it’s your call, your responsability to face what happens next. That simple principle changes your entire existence, to face life with full personal responsability, with full self accountability.
So the first step is allways introspection, deconstructing oneself to realize what’s the way you want to go, what’s “your thing”. That’s an important aspect in order to learn to love yourself, to know who you are and what you want in life. Because after all, all that conditioning is nothing but window dressing, an artificial decoration of your personality, so unless you find out by yourself who you truly are you will never be able to shake up that conditioning.

Thank you bud. That is making a huge amount of sense right now. I mean just when I think I’m getting to know myself I realise how much more there is to learn.

So this is really a time for discovery and rebuilding? Well that’s at least a much more positive angle on things.

If there was a time for me to man up now is that time.

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

You’re a free man now.
The opportunities ahead of you are awesome

The day my ex ran off with a preacher I bought a set of golf clubs and took up golf.

Find something you like and have fun. Since my bitch left, I have taken up golf. I go to the gym often. I had a small convertible and am now looking for an old corvette to play with.

You have unlimited opportunities ahead of you. Forget your bitch. Go out and have some fun.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22558]

Ash Nrahk wrote:

Yea I know cypher was a pussy but I get why he wanted to go back.

Actually, Cypher was a man caught between two blue pill hells. One living on a ship eking out a living. The food looked like snot. No social life. No possibility of a better life. No control of his life. The captain’s word was law. Cypher was practically a slave on the ship, as he was a prisoner in the matrix.

And let us be honest. Morpheus was in many ways insane. Having one life in the hands of a lunatic is not good for one’s own sanity.

Cypher was screwed no matter what he did. And he knew it.

Cypher only wanted back into the matrix because the food was better.

I respect Cypher for willing to role the dice on a bad situation.

Though, if I was in that situation. I would take a third option. Hijack on of those ships and head for the Equator in South America. If there was a chance of life outside of the machines and the resistance, it would be there.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Life is short – be happy. Save yourself. The biggest threat to humans are other humans. Eliminate mind-control, take back ownership of your sovereignty and be willing to defend it.

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

Give it time brother…… Give it time.

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[narwhalParticipant]

Ash Nrahk wrote:

Then again humanity wont miss a beat if I ghost out of it. Maybe that’s enough for me to let it go.

Going MGTOW doesn’t mean you have to ghost…not at all. Nor does it mean you have to give up on humanity. Many MGTOW do believe the world is hopeless, but others see it as the ‘best way to win is not to play’.

Personally, I want laws to change and society to change it’s viewpoint on genders, but whining about it or joining some MRA isn’t going to change a thing. MGTOW is not only the way to personal happiness, but the best way to effect positive change in other people.

Ok. Then do it.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Ash Nrahk wrote:

I want to move on and start living for myself but just typing this makes me feel guilt. Reading this post back to myself makes me think I need to grow the hell up. No doubt I have a s~~~ ton of conditioning to undo along the way. So any advice from those further down the road?

Thanks for creating this topic, and the nature of the problem.

Not saying I have an answer, but I’ll tell you what I think. This may be over simplifying, but if it feels like a “struggle” you may be doing it wrong and forcing it too fast, or too much, or too intensely.

For me it was NATURAL. It was “the only way to go”. Always. When faced with a decision “to marry her or not marry her” (for example) the solution found ITSELF.

About 10 years ago, I had 2 job offers in my pocket.
VERY radically different. Had 2 weeks to decide. It was a BIG decision.

It decided itself. So there was really no decision to be made. I could have “struggled” and made a list of pros and cons and argued it either way(!), but when the s~~~ came down to it, it was naturally “the right thing to do”.

Kinda like Neo. He just HAD to take the red pill. Of course.
It wasn’t even a decision, really.

Cypher only THOUGHT he should. It wasn’t really him.

He wasn’t “pure”. The bulls~~~ was OK with him. That’s why he wanted totally amnesia and to not remember a thing. Personally, I would choose death over blissful ignorance. Can’t live that way.

Ash Nrahk wrote:

If I turn the idiot box on it feels like I’m being deep throated with a turd

🙂 Great analogy including the photo of cypher.

I’ve been surrounded by that bulls~~~ too. Everywhere. The frustrations have driven me to the point of pure rage. Like I wanted to shake other people by the shoulders and say “how can you be so f~~~ing BLIND AND STUPID!”. A few times I REALLY lost my temper but you can’t change them. You can’t make them understand.

So it’s ALL internalized. Calmly.

I now listen to it and just nod like I’m agreeing.
They don’t need to know. Only you do.

A family BBQ in the suburbs with all these married folks around is enough to make my blood boil. Listening to them talk about nothing, sports, recipes, the shortest way to get to work. WTF are you supposed to do with that? SCREAM? No. It’s just funny now.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Unlike the Matrix, there isn’t an Agent Smith you can bargain with that will put you back in. There is no “back” to go to. Anything remotely resembling “back” would consist on somehow finding a woman, and then trying to get her to be a partner with you, and then getting her to say yes. As for the rest, it is what goes on in life, it circumstances dictate such.

Your struggles are the issues of life. You can develop mass conspiracies on how the world is to get you, women, the man, etc… or you can take charge of your life and just go, getting stronger, so you can dictate better terms.

In the case of myself, I just lost my state job I had today. I would say medical issues (yes I have sleep apnea now with day tiredness, which is what was written up about me at work), with other things uses as cover (raising a hand to speak at a meeting was said to be “distracting” to a manager). I need to press on. I decide to blame others, it isn’t going to help. And adding a woman to the mix would be pointless now.

It is easy to end up looking to the past, and thinking how wonderful it is. But there is no way to return to it. Just press on with your life. There are challenges. Just ignore anything said or going on that isn’t helpful.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[MonkeyMindParticipant 5340]

The simple answer is that you can’t go back.

That doesn’t necessarialy mean that you will remain MGTOW for the rest of your life, not everyone does, but your interactions with women will be different to how they were before once you’ve fully digested the red pill.

It’s one thing to see a white elephant in the room, but it’s another thing entirely to see other men point at the white elephant and call it out for the same s~~~. We’re just all confirming the same life experiences.

It takes a while to get all of that bulls~~~ out of your system. You will loose something in the process, but it will be replaced with a more control over your own life choices.

[RhinoParticipant 3477]

The world is your playground now, before it was a plantation where you served society and the women around you. You can do whatever you want within the construct of law society created. You don’t have to be alone, you can have hobbies and go to a gym or work out at home you are not a prisoner confined in jail. The only prison right now is in your mind, as soon as you realize you were conditioned your entire life to serve and are now free you will be better for it.

It is just like those prisoners who were in jail their entire life like in Shawshank Redemption when Morgan Freeman gets out of jail and doesn’t know what to do with himself because his entire life he was conditioned to be a prisoner. So now that he is out in the real world he has to struggle and come to terms of what he went through. The same thing will happen to you, you are now on a path of enlightenment and understanding and it can only get better. Yes climbing a cliff is tough as hell but once you get to the top you are free to look at the horizon and decide where to go from there because you will be able to see everything at the top.

[Jeremiah JohnsonParticipant 2219]

Every single man here has asked these same questions sir…I asked almost a year ago…Point being that we have doubts after unraveling the truth…Doubt is normal sir…As far as the television goes sir, you must understand that all of Hollywood has gone straight feminist…Just take a quick glance at all your new movies and television show, the commercials, hell even NFL, NASCAR, and NHL are now shoving these dim witted broads in our faces, pretending to be commentators…It makes me want to throw the f~~~ing TV out the window, but it isn’t my flat screens fault, it is the feminazi movement branching into the last vestiges men hold dear…Hell even gaming has allowed these whores to take over a world created by men for men…The only thing I can recommend is for you to cut the f~~~ing cable off and if you don’t need your cell service for work do the same thing with that piece of s~~~ too…Otherwise you are literally supporting these feminazi c~~~s and their agenda…Keep your High Speed Internet, it is really all you ever need…All the classic good s~~~ is available with either a Amazon Prime or Netflix account, and they are cheap as s~~~…I have both, only cause I live in bum f~~~ Egypt and need everything shipped to me as I don’t leave the house anymore…Well once a month to get groceries, but that hardly even counts…As far as what the f~~~ to do??? Well I have personally taken the time to get the s~~~ I have always wanted, ie; acoustic guitar, bad ass speakers for my PC, oil painting equipment, etc etc, and spend the extra found time doing s~~~ you have always wanted to try, but never had the time to do…Also, I highly recommend reading for extra curricular entertainment, and reading for new found knowledge…Spend the time learning a couple thing’s you have always had some limited interest in, ie; Computer Programming, Electrical Engineering, Software Developer, Financial Management, or what the f~~~ ever turns your clock…You get my point though, better your self, prepare for multiple futures and pick one, if you find out it is s~~~, close the book and try something new…Spend the time making yourself a better, smarter man…And I would even look into prepping for a future in which everything around you collapses, as for all anyone knows that could happen any freaking day, or may never happen, best to be prepared for anything though…Just some ideas sir, there are many, many more, picks your brothers brains here, read many other old posts, there is a LITERAL S~~~ TON of great info already discussed here, so spend some time sifting through it until you find something that fits…Just my two cents sir…And above all enjoy yourself, know you are on the right path…Why would you want to turn back now??? Move forward, live for you…And if you find that you need company…or you have love you must share, get a dog, I have two German Shepherds, and I love them to death, they give me all the love I will ever need…

Men are at a time when panning for gold in a urinal has a higher probability of success than finding a faithful and loving woman, it is time to go your own way.....

[OldBillParticipant]

Ash Nrahk wrote:

How the hell do you move on ?

How do you move on? You just keep moving, Ash.

That’s the reason MGTOW is always described as a journey. It’s not a goal as much as it is a process.

Just keep moving. Some days you won’t make any progress and some days you’ll actually go backwards. However, because you’ll keep on keeping on, one day you’ll look around and realize just how much progress you’ve made.

One day you’ll realize you shed the anger long ago. One day you’ll realize you left hate behind. One day you’ll realize you no longer care.

And on that day, you’ll keep on keeping on with your journey.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Ash Nrahk wrote:

Yea I know cypher was a pussy but I get why he wanted to go back.

How the hell do you move on ? I’m over the denial and now have my ass firmly stuck in anger. I just don’t f~~~ing well like it. If I turn the idiot box on it feels like I’m being deep throated with a turd. I used to really enjoy sci fi films etc etc and that’s basically gone along with a certain amount of tolerance to everyday bulls~~~.

The truth is all well and good but f~~~ me it sucks sometimes. How the hell have some of you moved on from this ?

Perhaps I shouldn’t have take a whole handful maybe one red pill at a time would have been smarter but then again if I was smart I wouldn’t be so p~~~ed off and here asking for some input.

Giving in and just saying f~~~ it seems like the easy way out but then again who am I to think I could even make a dent in this bulls~~~ society.

I want to move on and start living for myself but just typing this makes me feel guilt.

Reading this post back to myself makes me think I need to grow the hell up. No doubt I have a s~~~ ton of conditioning to undo along the way.

So any advice from those further down the road?

Bad comparison.
Cypher maked the best and most rational choice given his situation: if it would have worked, he would have ended being rich and a rockstar, without remembering anything about Matrix.
Here it’s totally different: being MGTOW your life will improve more and more. But you shouldn’t expect miracles: it’s a way to improve your life, it doesn’t solve all the problems, just only almost all (though not all) problems caused by gynocentrism.
My suggestion is – I always do it: when you have a problem, every f~~~ing problem you have you have just to think:
“If I would have a woman living with me, she would actually help me at solving this problem?”
When I apply this reasoning with the problems I have sometimes, it turns out that in 75%-80% cases the presence of a female partner is irrelevant to the problem, the remaining 20%-25% is:
About 5% times she would have actually helped me.
About 15%-20% times her presence would have made the problem even worse.
Then you have to add to the equation ALL THE PROBLEMS SHE WOULD CAUSE TO YOU…

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[mp357Participant 531]

Good post,iam in the same place.Iam not gonna blow smoke about how everything is great now and the world is your playground,its not.Good luck tho.

[Dr. SableParticipant 1064]

Ash Nrahk wrote:

Yea I know cypher was a pussy but I get why he wanted to go back.
How the hell do you move on ? I’m over the denial and now have my ass firmly stuck in anger. I just don’t f~~~ing well like it. If I turn the idiot box on it feels like I’m being deep throated with a turd. I used to really enjoy sci fi films etc etc and that’s basically gone along with a certain amount of tolerance to everyday bulls~~~.

The truth is all well and good but f~~~ me it sucks sometimes. How the hell have some of you moved on from this ?
Perhaps I shouldn’t have take a whole handful maybe one red pill at a time would have been smarter but then again if I was smart I wouldn’t be so p~~~ed off and here asking for some input.
Giving in and just saying f~~~ it seems like the easy way out but then again who am I to think I could even make a dent in this bulls~~~ society.
I want to move on and start living for myself but just typing this makes me feel guilt.
Reading this post back to myself makes me think I need to grow the hell up. No doubt I have a s~~~ ton of conditioning to undo along the way.

So any advice from those further down the road?

Life is a s~~~ sandwich Ash and no amount of bread is ever going to change that fact.
The more bread/knowledge you have, the less s~~~ you eat/put up with.

So in real life, knowing what you know, you must rationalize and compartmentalize all that s~~~ and
make a firm decision how it effects you and how important it is to your mental state of mind.
The severity of current gynocentrism, from benign to outright murderous nature can be categorized as such.

You simply can not ignore the signs of what you know and see, but what you can do is not dwell
for too long on the negatives. Yo see it, hear it, read it acknowledge it and move on. It may sound
simple but it takes practice and with time, effects on you become less and less.

Zero Tolerance

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I read the post again. I did want to say something else. My take on MGTOW, which is now more MOW and IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) than pure MGTOW (this has a focus on the nature of women as essential) is that I am not trying to make a dent in the system, but get on with my life. I opt out. If I can help others, that is fine, but it isn’t about me changing systems or the world. The world will do what it will do, I am just trying to make it through.

It is now more of like this clip from Tron: Legacy…

Or Prelude (Angry Young Man):

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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