About to Dump Some Garbage (Friends)

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I just saw something today that made me ill.

A young dude I know posted a video to a social media site of himself appearing on the Jerry Springer show. I watched enough of the video to confirm that it was actually him… here is the synopsis:

Some fat stripper chick comes out and says she’s this dude’s friend but wants to get it on with his “hot” girlfriend and that he can’t have her but he can watch, and that she came on the show to tell him. Yeah, of course. Fast forward through 20 minutes of her “hip-hop dancing” on the stage, there, and then out come the gangly doofus guy and his sexed up monkey face girlfriend. Yep, it’s him.

Knowing what I do about his personal timeline, this was probably shot a year or two ago… he’s no longer with the monkey face girl but I know of at least two other druggie loser chicks he knows who have also messed around with this girl despite him asking them not to… as if he thought they would respect his feelings or something.

Anyway, to get to the point. I immediately made myself a new rule: I can’t be friends with anyone who has ever appeared on or been to a taping of the Jerry Springer Show. I’ll do one better, I can’t be friends with anyone who watches the Jerry Springer show or any program like it, except for research purposes.

Now if I’m going to stand behind that rule, I’ve also got to expand it to include no guys who “date” monkey faced tramps and no drunken, drugged up club lesbo disloyal friend females who would try to get with said monkey faced tramps over his objections. And while we’re there, I may as well ditch anyone who would go to such a club where people like that do those sorts of things… and the music and drugs they use to give them license and cover to do such things. You see where this is going?

So I ask of my MGTOW brothers… what are your criteria for friendship? Are there things your blue or purple pill friends do that is simply intolerable to you as a red pill man? Things they do that are so disappointingly self-abusive and stupid that you just can’t stand to engage with them any more?

Here’s a list of things I’m ready to cut out of my life:

1) Anyone who does yoga or believes in crystal or magnetic healing, chakras, meditation, chanting or any other pseudo-spiritual practice
2) Anyone who is or claims to be a DJ, promoter or erotic performer or who claims to know a club host or manager, stripper, bouncer or venue owner
3) Anyone who goes to night clubs, dances to hip-hop, buys table service, uses pick-up strategies including coersion or drugs to get or trade for sex
4) Anyone who goes to music festivals or drug parties in fur or blinky lights or with electrical tape over their nipples or in fetish or exhibitionist outfits
5) Anyone who uses drugs or alcohol on a daily basis or who gives, trades or sels drugs to entice, convince or coerce someone into having sex
6) Anyone who would request or accept a non-sexual “intimate relationship” or who claims to be in a polyamorous or “open relationship”
7) Anyone who would appear on or watch a tabloid or reality TV program
8) Anyone who lives with their parents or in a roommate or non-married couple situation where they are not paying an equal portion of the costs
9) Anyone who allows another person to manage their time, space, money, energy, ideas and expression for them
10) Anyone who says they are committed to doing something and then never manages to expend the time, energy or money to do it

I think I may have one or two friends left after this… who’s down for a MGTOW meetup? Damn, I need new, smarter and better people to hang out with.

[WolveParticipant 191]

To be honest the most important things in a friend to me are:
1) A faithful friend that wouldn’t leave / mistrust me if I ever have a hard time (both sides of course I wouldn’t want a friend I couldn’t trust or someone I would leave if things ever got hard)
2) Trusting, I have to be able to trust the person completely although it takes time to be able to trust someone but without trust a friendship might as well be a who is going to rat the other person out first for another person first race.
3) Reasonable and respectful, I don’t mind differences in belief but he has to respect my beliefs and not go around talking poorly about what I belief in although I am not religious so I really don’t care all that much about it I still can’t trust someone who would not respect me and my beliefs for what they are.
4) I have to be able to just have a great time hanging around with the guy.

Sadly I don’t think there are many if any at all MGHOW where I live I dunno in your area Doc but in Netherlands where I live the chance your able to find multiple MGTOWs in one place is quite small from my experience, but hey you can try after all give it a shot.

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

You have 1 or 2 more friends than myself.
I checked out on trying to have real life friends.
It’s a long story, but by the time it was all said and done with divorce, etc.
It’s just how the chips fell.
As to business at hand, yeah, a great many things on your list has either been directly involved in me getting the shaft, or caused collateral damage.
I have a few guys here in the rv park I talk to now and then, but that’s it.
On rare occasions, I may have a beer or two with them.

As for friendships, I just can’t bring myself to engage socially with anyone in day to day real life.
It’s far too risky, never know who you are dealing with & I have serious trust issues.
Never know who they have as friends, and how much of a hassle it will be,
If the females they know will decide to go bat s~~~ crazy.

As for friends with a man that I knew was MGTOW, that’s another story.
I could see some trust & respect resulting in real friendships that would have merit.

I mean damn, maybe there are men here into some of those things on the list.

Meditation, or lap dances, when the stress is tense or when the loneliness is driving them mad.
Maybe yoga is one of the few low impact exercises they can muster.
DJ, s~~~ I love listening to dubstep & those deep base drops.
I am not going to cover every one on your list, but it’s not a deal breaker for me on the one’s above.

Of course there are points in your list that are deal breakers.
Chanting, yeah, I’ll pass on that.
Trading and selling illegal drugs, yeah pass on that too.
Drug parties, fur, duct tape, etc. pass there as well.

I Think I understand where you are coming from, because then there is the other part of me that just wants to say, yeah your list in it’s entirety for the most part. One can’t be too careful.

Even the once easy questions like friendship, to me, no longer have an easy answer anymore…

Just sucks really.
Glad I checked your thread out man, very thought provoking
Deep s~~~ to ponder on for me.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Thanks, man. Keep in mind that I live in Las Vegas and we have a lot of night clubs, strip joints, pool parties, neo-spiritual gatherings, drug cults and giant music festivals here that attract junkies, alcoholics, douchebags, s~~~birds and all manner of crappy people with bad attitudes, abusive behaviors and low self esteem.

It’s been a long, tough summer for me and I’m having a Bond Villain moment right about now as a result.

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

Stargazer wrote:

Thanks, man. Keep in mind that I live in Las Vegas

I had no idea & I don’t even know how you manage it.

I don’t think I could hang with it, really.

Fairly certain it would drive me nutz.

Braver & stronger man than I am on that.

[UntamedParticipant]

I have lots of aquaintances, very few so-called “friends”, those on my terms, and a couple of good friends I can trust. It’s hugely enough for me. I sell my time expensive and my trust has no price.

@docFenderson Your list had me rolling on the floor laughing.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[BigvernParticipant 1983]

So called ‘friends’ always seem to leave me out of pocket……..I have been in the forces so I know the value of a true friend.
Of course now I am an enlightened mgtow, I seem to be able to spot the manginas at 60 paces, not that it’s difficult of course.
At my old job, even the men would talk about last night’s soap opera on TV. I used to get nauseous about it and one day I noticed that the ‘men’ there wouldn’t ever talk about sport or last nights footy or cricket game, no they have all been re-peogrammed by their mums and then their wives/girl friends.
I couldn’t stand it anymore…….hence early retirement and saving for the RV life now!
Time to switch off the tv and do something more worthwhile, even sports on TV is playing to the feminist agenda.
As for ‘friends’, they are all weak simps as I used to be of course, and I can’t be bothered to tell them why I don’t go out anymore. They usually end up chasing women anyway.
I am more of a ghost than ever and will be until I have my RV.

"What made you think, there'd be a livin' in sheep?, Eat, Work, Eat Work and Sleep" - Mark Knopfler.

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

Bigvern wrote:

I am more of a ghost than ever and will be until I have my RV.

Was my plan as well.
And after I got my rv, I even ghosted myself more.

It was liberating beyond words, now my resolve is even stronger on my next step
A. a better/newer rv, or (keep my mobility)
B. land, and/or with house/tiny house/cheap house on it. (have a homestead, grow some of my own food, etc)

Just trying to decide which option I want to accomplish next
Both have advantages to my overall plan and goal

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

I have exactly two friends.

Criteria?

1. Never even remotely tried to use me or f~~~ me over.
2. Has stood by me as I have stood by them.
3. No immature or prone to drama.
4. Has the courage to apologize and demonstrate true remorse by changing their behavior.
5. Will watch over my kids as I have watched over their theirs.
6. Has never misrepresented me in thought, word, or deed as I have done for them.
7. In general, offers an equal or greater level of respect, appreciation, and camaraderie that I have given

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[RennieParticipant]

For me it’s kicking out people who won’t deal with me outside social media.

[ChilledToZeroParticipant 178]

I have to agree with a lot of what’s been said already

I have a very specific deal breaker, it’s when you have a hard time or fail at something and the friend finds it genuinely amusing and laughs in your face
I don’t have a problem with them finding it amusing but laughing to 5 minutes + over someones misfortune is not a good trait
I can’t stand those who find other’s pain or misfortune an absolutely hilarious thing

Maybe it’s just a quirk with me but unlike these people i don’t find guys getting kicked in the b~~~~ on youtube videos funny

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I began carving toxic “friends” out of my life about 5 years ago. In the last 2 years, aggressively.

Especially one guy friend who , I swear, is a total sociopath and demand that I drop plans to meet him at the drop of a hat – like I’m not f~~~ing busy doing ANYTHING else already… and when we got together, all he would do is make me feel bad about myself. I would order something to eat and he would tell me “shrimp are high in cholesterol”. F~~~ off.

On New Year’s Eve 2014, it was midnight and I was at a house party. He knows my family is German and says “Happy New Year, Nazi” in front of other people – like he’s being funny. I stared at him for 5 seconds with my best serious face, and 8 seconds after midnight, I plopped my glass on the table and walked out. Drove straight home and he blew up my phone with 45 messages of apology and attempts to be sincere in a text message. I responded: “You’re a f~~~ing freak. You “joke” when we’re in person and sincere in a text message? GET. THE. F~~~. OUT MY LIFE.” That’s what it came to.

Like you, I have a “list” too…… of things like “don’t follow up – or follow through – and you are history”….. but I can be forgiving that way because s~~~ happens, so I have narrowed it down to 3 core deal-breaking essentials that I will NOT budge on.

1. Respect my time and property. You don’t have to respect ME, because I am prepared to earn that myself over time, but if you break something, you will offer to replace it. If you’re flakey, get lost. Don’t treat my time as a toy for your amusement, and if you make fun of my clothes, car, taste in music or anything like that, you’re dumped.

2. I gotta be having FUN. ALL the time. I can be a good friend when times are tough, but if Im not enjoying being around you because you whine or complain about mundane s~~~, I don’t want to know you.

3. Be direct. You want something? Ask for it directly and don’t even try that passive aggressive s~~~. I am not interested in being a mind-reader.

You know who will break all 3 of those?
A woman.

Every.

Single.

Time.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Biggvs_DickvsParticipant 3725]

Stargazer wrote:

1) Anyone who does yoga or believes in crystal or magnetic healing, chakras, meditation, chanting or any other pseudo-spiritual practice
2) Anyone who is or claims to be a DJ, promoter or erotic performer or who claims to know a club host or manager, stripper, bouncer or venue owner
3) Anyone who goes to night clubs, dances to hip-hop, buys table service, uses pick-up strategies including coersion or drugs to get or trade for sex
4) Anyone who goes to music festivals or drug parties in fur or blinky lights or with electrical tape over their nipples or in fetish or exhibitionist outfits
5) Anyone who uses drugs or alcohol on a daily basis or who gives, trades or sels drugs to entice, convince or coerce someone into having sex
6) Anyone who would request or accept a non-sexual “intimate relationship” or who claims to be in a polyamorous or “open relationship”
7) Anyone who would appear on or watch a tabloid or reality TV program
8) Anyone who lives with their parents or in a roommate or non-married couple situation where they are not paying an equal portion of the costs
9) Anyone who allows another person to manage their time, space, money, energy, ideas and expression for them
10) Anyone who says they are committed to doing something and then never manages to expend the time, energy or money to do it

…or as I like to call it: Tuesday.

"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,

[Dark KenshiParticipant 2132]

To these rules, I would add:

1) Someone who is loyal.
Even if we disagree about something, we know that we can count with each other.

2) Someone who speaks the truth, no matter what.
That is the most important thing. He must be frank, and speak plainly and bluntly. Because I do the same. If he does not speak bluntly, or do not accept blunt speech, than he is immediately dismissed.

3) Someone who is open to give and receive critics.
We know that is through critic’s, no matter how harsh they are, that we grow as men, that we prosper as a civilization, that we build amazing things. Men has always criticized other men, with no other intent as personal growth for both.

4) Someone who knows the limits for whining and bitching.
We men know the limit for that. Do NOT bitch and whine for too long. Know that bitching and whining is just for to heal us and joke about it.

5) Someone who knows when it is time to shut up.
This is something that along with beard, differs us from women and children. Uphold it fiercely.

"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.

[IllusionParticipant 2]

I have done yoga myself for a few months at home while watching movies or youtube videos. Really good, especially if I overwork my body and can’t do my usual trainings, makes you feel good after sessions. I think it made me more flexible and that helped me during my grappling trainings.
I do meditation sometimes. It really helps me relax when I am p~~~ed off or tired.
No need to disregard something just because a bunch of not really smart people do it.

[rebelandboltmanParticipant 640]

If I may chime in. .I do meditate as a means to clear my head in preparation for the work day or work night, but I don’t know if I wouldn’t consider myself a yogi or neo spiritual individual. I enjoy red wine as it is great with fried chicken, burgers, popcorn, or even chocolate, but I wouldn’t consider myself an alcoholic. I enjoy music, be it live or via youtube or mp3, however, I don’t involve myself with drug addicts. But this is just my MGTOW. I respect that everybody else has their thing. My ideal friends would be not needy or dependent on me or others for validation. They would also not be obsessed with vagina. They would not slam me or judge me if I choose to not do anything at all but sit at home, while I chill and watch Netflix or listen to some music. They would not offer me drugs or ask me if I knew someone who sold drugs. They would not blow up my phone with 15 texts or 15 phone calls a day. That’s pretty much all I can think of at the moment.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

7) Anyone who would appear on or watch a tabloid or reality TV program

This alone would eliminate 8 out of 10 girls today.

Excllent topic. Ive considered this myself because the older I get the more I realize good quality friends are VERY rare. Ive experienced so much unnecessary s~~~ from “friends”. This must be increasingly common because noone I know has some tight nit group of real friends. Nothing like the tv show “Friends”.

I dont have a list, per say, but a few reminders from repeated bad experience of poor traits in guy friends.

Hot Heads/Loose Cannons

Guys who flip on a f~~~ing DIME, over nothing. Completely unpredictable and will put you in situations you never thought imaginable and for the least worthy of reasons.

Many men think this trait is “manly”. I dont. Guys who flip out and scream are the equivalent of a girl on the rag. Its pathetic.

Guys Who Put You Down

I joke around a lot, and its one thing to have male comradery by verbally jabbing each other, but when someone is doing it with the intention to lower your self esteem and truly hurt you, you can tell the difference. Anyone who would do such a thing is not a “friend” and they have horrible intentions. These types are the WORST around females, and its all due to their own insecurity. If you cant demonstrate your an attractive person or worth any value WITHOUT putting down everyone around you, you are clearly insecure.

The Know it All

I had one friend in particular that was the most EXTREME case of this I have ever witnessed in my life. I mean, even when he DIDNT know wtf he was talking about he would tell you youre wrong. Every sentence out of his mouth was virtually some variation of just that – “your wrong”. The notion that he possibly didnt know something or to inquire and ask more about it was not even a possibility he was capable of entertaining. Talk anout annoying. Who would enjoy the company of someone who is constantly telling you youre wrong or be “educated” over every topic under the sun? Noone.

Resident cynic.

[NeoSe7enParticipant 112]

Excellent topic guys. I HIGHLY recommend you do a serious evaluation of who and what you ALLOW into YOUR life. I did a massive deportation of s~~~heads, losers, and people that made me miserable almost 3 years ago. I may put this on my resume as an achievement–one of the best decisions of my adult life.
People may have value, but they quite often don’t have value in YOUR life. I look at my friendship list like an exclusive club–not everyone is going to get in.

As a consequence, my life is ridiculously peaceful, I’m not breaking my neck trying to appease some jackass, my ‘friends’, I pretty well trust with my life.
I also recommend cutting most female friendships (obviously)–they are one sided, will bring in unnecessary drama, and offer little to you in the long run. As ‘friends’ go, they are generally useless.

Recently, I’ve started going Ghost. No Facebook (what an utter waste of space and time), no social media–save for here, one other site and LinkedIn, which I rarely use. Wonderful! It’s like getting your life back.

[ThermonuclearAutomaticWeaponParticipant 80]

I don’t mind meeting new friends. However, I am planning on ex-communicating my family (or vice versa). Ever since 2013, I have alienated myself from them. They always complain about Republicans and watch Morning Joe and MSNBC. Ugh. I have a whole hipster family. Plus my dad is always prompting me to get married and have kids. I feel like dropping all communications from them. Not to mention my brother pretends to be “smart”
when he actually isn’t. I need red pill friends, not this f~~~ed up blue pill family. GAWD. 🙁

[ThermonuclearAutomaticWeaponParticipant 80]

NeoSe7en wrote:

Excellent topic guys. I HIGHLY recommend you do a serious evaluation of who and what you ALLOW into YOUR life. I did a massive deportation of s~~~heads, losers, and people that made me miserable almost 3 years ago. I may put this on my resume as an achievement–one of the best decisions of my adult life.People may have value, but they quite often don’t have value in YOUR life. I look at my friendship list like an exclusive club–not everyone is going to get in.
As a consequence, my life is ridiculously peaceful, I’m not breaking my neck trying to appease some jackass, my ‘friends’, I pretty well trust with my life.I also recommend cutting most female friendships (obviously)–they are one sided, will bring in unnecessary drama, and offer little to you in the long run. As ‘friends’ go, they are generally useless.
Recently, I’ve started going Ghost. No Facebook (what an utter waste of space and time), no social media–save for here, one other site and LinkedIn, which I rarely use. Wonderful! It’s like getting your life back.

It is. I still use Google+, but I don’t share publicly anymore. It’s like sharing with retards.

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