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A couple years ago I took a weekend training class. I was planning on getting a bike after that. It was somewhat of a struggle for me. I never dropped the back or anything like that, but I had a lot of trouble shifting gears and handling the maneuvering as well as I should. Hand eye coordination issues.
I enjoyed it somewhat, I knew I could practice and get passed my issues, but I wasn’t convinced that it was really worth it to me. I passed the course, but will never forget the look on the instructors face saying ‘please don’t do it’. Given all that, I haven’t done it.
Not saying I never will, but it’s way down on the list. I’m much more interested in getting a 4 wheeler or jet-ski these days. I suppose if I ever have friends that are really into it, then I might get into it again. However, most of the guys I know are trying to sell their bikes these days.
Ok. Then do it.
Anonymous42Beginners tip; road craters, fallen limbs, rocks, “anything” Just like skiing, hit it straight on if it can’t be avoided, and hang on tight! “when in doubt, straighten out”.
Never approach a stepped shoulder or soft solder at an angle, straddling it will take you down, It’s either on or off, the front wheel has to attack it head on.Bikes are a blast.
Be careful however.We had one lady who made the news where I live.
She had a magnifying glass taped to her car speedometer. Her feet wouldn’t reach the gas and break pedals so she used her cane. One day her cane wedged in between the gas and brake pedals and off she went. She took out two motorcycle riders before she hit a school bus.Some of the older drivers with macular degeneration can’t see motorcycles. Yet these people are still given licenses. After all, these ladies have to keep their hairdresser appointments.
And generally what happens when an 85 year old lady loses her license? Not much. She keeps driving without a license.
I’ve owned 10-12 motorcycles over the years. I stopped riding a while back because some friends of mine were run over. If you do ride, ride very defensively. Otherwise you may end up being a 1/2 MGTOW. Thanks.
Some assholes will muscle you around as if you’re protected by a cage like they are,
I get that sometimes on two wheels, but it never happens when I’m riding the sidecar rig. Not once. It doesn’t matter if I have a monkey in the hack or not, be they human or dog. I don’t know why that is. Maybe the oddball factor gives cagers pause.
Enough of being wordy, filtering fast is deadly and risky, even at walking speed.
We’ve been trying to get low speed filtering legalized here for years, because hanging out at the tail end of a traffic jam is a recipe for getting pancaked between the cage in front of you and some inattentive minivan jammed up your ass at speed. This is why various studies have shown that filtering is safer than not because it gets motorcycles out of the general path of cages, but ONLY when traffic is very very slow or stopped and the motorcycle is traveling no more than five miles an hour faster than traffic.
Filtering on the freeway at freeway speeds is a recipe for disaster.
You need a heighten sense of awareness otherwise you die.
Welcome to the jungle. That’s true everywhere. Fortunately Going Your Own Way is all about a heightened sense of awareness, though I don’t know how well that translates to traffic.
You can’t be too heavy on the front brakes either at least on a mountain bike.
You can on a motorcycle. It’s a completely different animal from a bicycle. Even different motorcycles brake differently. Controlled braking is probably the most important important skill in motorcycling. It’s all about balanced braking, which depends on the individual bike itself and the braking conditions. That’s why most motorcycles have independent braking controls for the front and rear brakes: so the rider can maintain braking control. There are some bikes with linked brakes, but you mostly see those on scooters which have a center of mass to get away with it. And even then they feel weird and out of control.
In any case, I’m taking a proper course today and this coming weekend,
Good on ya. I hope it’s a proper course with classroom time AND practical instruction on a real motorcycle on a test course.
And make sure to ride every day as if that’s the day you’re going to crash. Because one day you might be right. All your gear, all the time.
Unfortunately life is filled with dangerous hobbies, but does that mean a man passionate about said shouldnt do it because it’s dangerous?
Motorcycling is safer than marriage, but you don’t see them telling you not to get married, do you?
I frequently deal with the carnage after accidents – it’s never pretty.
I don’t know if you get the opportunity, but if you can, pay attention to the age of the riders you see and what kind of bikes they were riding. Most serious crashes are young inexperienced squids on sport bikes, not wily old bastards on cruisers.
Cave diving, one of my hobbies, has a higher per capita fatality rate
You could not pay me enough to try that s~~~, and I climb for fun. Look at the accident reports for climbing or even normal caving (or spelunking or whatever the f~~~ it’s called) and you can see some grisly s~~~, but you also see a lot of minor things too. There’s a range of incidents. Some deaths, true, but a hell of a lot more twisted ankles and scrapes and sunburn. But with cave diving it’s all fatalities. Anything goes wrong and you’re dead dead dead. Even space exploration has a better accident recovery rate.
@sidecar –
Anidotical, the motorcycle fatalities I have dealt with tend to be riders that are very young (upper teens), and riders that have 2years less than 5 years of road experience or lapsed riders.
2 years seems to be the danger spot. One season under the belt, then the winter off, accidents happen the next season. They know just enough to let their collective guards down and start taking more risks while they are out of practice for the off season.
Lapsed riders are even more dangerous. Their skills have degraded, but in their minds they still have the perception of peak performance and drive accordingly.
No one safe type of bike. Most frequent fatality producers are the crotch-rockets; but this is limited exclusively to my sample set and is biased.
Daytime accidents more than night in metropolitan areas. Night more than day in rural. Daytime accidents usually involve fault by another driver/pedestrian.
Nighttime accidents usually involve excessive speed, stunts, unseen road obstacles or collision with wild-life.
I have done a little medical-flight rescue over the years. When things go wrong, they go very very wrong.
Most end up being field pronouncements by the medics.
Yes, cave diving is really risky. Equipment failure, misjudgement, get lost, gases are poorly mixed, etc you are dead.
I have toned things down a little as I am approaching my 40s. Now it’s more cavern diving where I can see the entrance and bolt to the surface if s~~~ goes sideways.
But there is something about getting into a cave few have seen before- the closest thing to being an explore. When I was young I was fascinated by Jacques Cousteau and explorers of his ilk. It’s not logical, I can’t explain it, but the thrill + technical precision I find fascinating.
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Anonymous54Also,if you ride ,dont tell people. They will instantly ,invariabley ,with out fail,set your f~~~ing clock to it…tell you about all the people killed on bikes. I have lost friends in car wrecks.No bikes yet.Its not a death machine. Its a f~~~ing life machine!!! I have lived life,taken the riskes! Ridding makes me feel alive! When ever I ride past a cemetery I yell “you should have rode the f~~~ing bike!!
Anonymous42They know just enough to let their collective guards down and start taking more risks while they are out of practice for the off season.
Same with skiing, it takes a couple months before your coordination reflexes and strength return, prime time for an ACL injury, that and thin cover.
I get that sometimes on two wheels, but it never happens when I’m riding the sidecar rig. Not once. It doesn’t matter if I have a monkey in the hack or not, be they human or dog. I don’t know why that is. Maybe the oddball factor gives cagers pause.
That’s interesting, fellow cager syndrome???
Justice would be an aggressive cager muscling a bike then getting flattened by semi!
Allot of great information, I never thought about the filtering from a getting a rearended point of view!
What about Astronaut’s?
Or deep sea spear fishing(shark infested)?
Or being Blue Pilled?Never lose sight of what brought you here.
Anidotical, the motorcycle fatalities I have dealt with tend to be riders that are very young (upper teens), and riders that have 2years less than 5 years of road experience or lapsed riders.
Somehow I knew you were going to say that. Because that’s not just anecdotal, it’s also statistical. We call them SQuiDS. Stupid Quick Dead Soon. They’re why I always recommend training before starting out and then more training, especially after the first year when you sort of know what you’re doing and now know enough to really understand what the instructor is saying. Plus if you wipe out while practicing more extreme “get the f~~~ out of danger” maneuvers it’s always best to do that on their bike, not yours, and in a controlled environment.
One season under the belt, then the winter off, accidents happen the next season.
Take the winter off? What a bizarre concept.
Lapsed riders are even more dangerous. Their skills have degraded, but in their minds they still have the perception of peak performance and drive accordingly.
Also the sunny weekend only riders, who only put in maybe hundred miles on their bikes a year, if that.
No one safe type of bike. Most frequent fatality producers are the crotch-rockets; but this is limited exclusively to my sample set and is biased.
I’m not saying one bike is safer than another, just that certain bikes tend to attract more reckless, unsafe riders.
Yes, cave diving is really risky. Equipment failure, misjudgement, get lost, gases are poorly mixed, etc you are dead.
It’s probably no more risky than other hobbies. Probably less risky than climbing, actually. It’s just way too unforgiving for my tastes.
They will instantly ,invariabley ,with out fail,set your f~~~ing clock to it…tell you about all the people killed on bikes.
To which I invariably reply: “It’s a hell of a lot safer than marriage.”
That’s interesting, fellow cager syndrome???
I think sidecars are rare enough, and mine are particularly nice, that they notice it and slow down to get a batter look. Half the time on two wheels the cager wasn’t being aggressive, just clueless and couldn’t be bothered to look for motorcycles.
Allot of great information, I never thought about the filtering from a getting a rearended point of view!
You can’t filter with a sidecar or a trike or any such wide rig, but you’re just as exposed as on two wheels, so you REALLY feel the exposure when you’re stuck at the back of a traffic jam, especially if there’s no shoulder to escape to. It’s a case of not noticing what you’re missing until it’s gone.
Filtering is illegal here (f~~~ knows why), but in traffic jams on two wheels I still filter up a car or two before stopping just to put a little mass between myself and anything coming up from behind. Some cagers get p~~~ed about it, but it’s better than getting pancaked. I’m a hell of a lot more paranoid about always maintaining an escape route with the hack than on two wheels because it can’t escape as easily, but sometimes there simply isn’t one thanks to stupid pushy cages.
Anonymous42Take the winter off? What a bizarre concept.
Hey Sidecar, how do I attach a sidecar to my skis for off season use? Your statement with the video was the first thing I saw and it cracked me up!
My friend has a Russian model, and the sidecar has a drive wheel instead of a coaster, he lives in mountains of New Hampshire and outperforms 4x4s’ with his narrow tires and high ground clearance. It’s a Ural
Russian=BIG! Leftover attitude from the cold war!
Recently got one, you have to watch all the dumb f~~~s out there. They will text and drive, mow you right off the road. A good idea to have a high visibility vest. Remember, even on a small bike, you are much faster than most cars. If you’re gonna die, that bike can reach 60 in all of about 3 seconds.
Plan s~~~ out, your ride and so on. I try to ride when there’s not a lot of traffic, and on country roads. Don’t get to ride as often as I want.
Needless to say ole MG-Tower was being chased down by a car full of dudes with a broken windshield.
And for whatever reason people think they can bully bike riders. Even if you’re like me, driving by the books. They will try to start s~~~ with you. It’s a problem I was aware of early on, so I got my concealed carry. Roll up on me with 4 dudes in a car and you might get an engine block full of 10mm +P in your engine block. If you have no gun, this always works too.
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My friend has a Russian model, and the sidecar has a drive wheel instead of a coaster, he lives in mountains of New Hampshire and outperforms 4x4s’ with his narrow tires and high ground clearance. It’s a Ural
I’ve been on the fence about Urals for a while. They look fantastic on paper, but I keep hearing how they aren’t reliable at all, and they’ve gotten pretty expensive lately for what they are. Soviet era quality at harley badge prices. I understand they recently changed the design over to a half assed fuel injected model that’s a bitch to service.
If I could find an older carbed model that someone else has already rebuilt properly so you can trust it, and at the old prices, I’d definitely consider it.
I wish BMW would start making them again, because boxer engine + shaft drive + two wheel drive, what’s not to love? Then again BMW would probably charge $100 for each replacement screw.
Anonymous42I wish BMW would start making them again, because boxer engine + shaft drive + two wheel drive, what’s not to love?
Boxer engine NEEDS A SIDECAR! Who ever heard of scraping your heads until they came along!
Anonymous5How my brother died a friend my brother was riding with was drunk he swerved and hit my brother they both hit a telephone pole my brothers bike hit his heart split in two he bled out and the guy who hit my brother went face first into a pole opposite him I saw on the news my brothers bike laying on the side of the road with his helmet a few feet away.his kids found out their dad was dead on the news.the thing was I hadn’t seen him in three days .
Someone near me has a Ural, I much prefer the look of it to the new BMWs, a lot of them look like some weird dirtbike hybrid. (Just imho).
Walking across the street can kill ya too,so just remember it’s the idiots around you that will be the most danger.
Make sure your pipes are good and loud so they hear you coming a mile away,even over their f~~~ing music!
+10 to the first sentiment – sooooo many idiots on the road – but not to the second one. You don’t hear people coming up behind you at speed. At the lights, sure, but if you’re on the freeway no amount of noise will alert you to people in front. I had a Harley overtake me in my lane (I was riding in the left tyre track as we say here) on the freeway a couple months back and as loud as his bike was after it went past, I had no idea it was coming. He then squeezed between two cars in front at 110km and went on his merry way. Some people have a death wish.
a reflective road worker vest for night time riding.
Got one of those in a pouch in the back of my jacket, good advice this.
Anonymous42How my brother died a friend my brother was riding with was drunk he swerved and hit my brother they both hit a telephone pole my brothers bike hit his heart split in two he bled out and the guy who hit my brother went face first into a pole opposite him I saw on the news my brothers bike laying on the side of the road with his helmet a few feet away.his kids found out their dad was dead on the news.the thing was I hadn’t seen him in three days .
Hey Doom93, I’m real sorry for loss, I was fortunate, my brother hit a wall and spent two weeks in a coma, when I first got the news my gut sank and I did everything I could to hold back the tears on my long walk home from the park, I was worried I would never see him again. I was 13, and he was 15 at the time. His story is a miracle of recovery! I imagine if he hit the corner of the building we’d be in the same boat. I can’t imagine loosing one of my brothers! F~~~!
Anonymous11You can on a motorcycle. It’s a completely different animal from a bicycle. Even different motorcycles brake differently. Controlled braking is probably the most important important skill in motorcycling
Thanks Sidecar. Controlled braking is quite important in mountain biking too. I guess the greater mass of a motorcycle keeps one from doing an endo.
Back in the 70s, my cousin was riding his Kawasaki. A guy in a Chevy Impala ran a red light. My cousin’s front wheel penetrated 18″ into the car and killed the driver’s mother. My cousin was left a quadriplegic. That kind of killed motorcycles for me. As a thrill seeker, that part appeals to me. I just don’t trust the idiots driving cars. Last weekend, I drove up on a fresh road fatality where a guy pulled his SUV out into a road and got t-boned. The SUV was crumpled. It was a 35 MPH zone too. I don’t think the driver who hit him was doing 35.
I’ll take my chances with the sharks.
Try skydiving with a wingsuit and proximity flying….
If that doesn’t give you an adrenaline-rush, I don’t know what will.
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How my brother died a friend my brother was riding with was drunk
F~~~. Sorry for your loss, but yeah, don’t ride drunk. Or ride with drunks.
Since I ride the hack, I haul the cooler. Which means I choose what goes in it, and that doesn’t include alcohol. That may make me sound like a prude, but I’m not asking for unwanted police attention, and unwanted police attention is the least of things that can go wrong mixing alcohol and riding. Save the drinking until after the ride.
Someone near me has a Ural, I much prefer the look of it to the new BMWs,
I love the look of the Urals too, and the second drive wheel seems obvious, especially for bad weather. I just hear really bad things about their reliability. Don’t get me wrong, I love to wrench, but on my schedule in the garage, not the bikes schedule out in the p~~~ing down rain up in the mountains. And when you’ve hauled a dead hack back to civilization once you never want to do it again. You can’t exactly drop them into the back of any passing pickup like you can with two wheels.
a lot of them look like some weird dirtbike hybrid. (Just imho).
The 1200R series are OK, and excellent for riding if not appearance, and the nine-T can be made into a kick ass cafe bike, but yes, most of the rest are fairly indistinguishable from anything else on the road. I’m more into older BMWs, myself. To my thinking there are no bikes more classic than the old 1940s BMW R50 / R60 series.
I had a Harley overtake me in my lane (I was riding in the left tyre track as we say here) on the freeway a couple months back and as loud as his bike was after it went past, I had no idea it was coming.
Visibility is soo much more important than noise, especially with modern cars, which are increasingly designed to prevent cagers from hearing you. No matter how loud your pipes are, they can’t compete with fat girl pop music turned up to eleven in a modern sound proofed cage.
And I never overtake in traffic unless it’s really warranted. Not that it’s much of an option when hauling a hack. Overtaking means you are constantly having to alert a new set of cagers to your presence. I prefer to establish an escape route among a group who look like they know I’m there and pace it.
Thanks Sidecar. Controlled braking is quite important in mountain biking too. I guess the greater mass of a motorcycle keeps one from doing an endo.
It’s not just the greater mass, but also where that mass is. Each bike is different. And braking on dry pavement is a whole difference experience to braking on wet pavement or braking on gravel. Add in turns and traffic and you really need to keep on top of things. Literally. Or the bike will end up on top of you. Braking too hard can screw you faster than braking too little. If you hit the rear brake too hard and your back end locks up and starts to go and you let up on the brake to get traction again before regaining control, your bike can throw you faster than you can say “high side”. That’s bad.
tl;dr: braking is both an art and a science.
As a thrill seeker, that part appeals to me.
Thrills lead to spills. I’m more into the wind in my hair, the sun at my back, and the open road in front of me. I’ll continue to get all the thrills I need by laughing in the faces of foolish women.
Anonymous42Since I ride the hack,
Why do bikers treat trikers like inferiors I’ll never understand. The new trikes that look like an overgrown hoverround scooter not withstanding, I hate those fkn things, rear tires are too close together (unstable). I like new configuration with two wheels in font that steer and proportionate wheel base that represents more of true triangle. I have three wheel Cushman Tow Truckster, does that count? I use it to tow golf carts and ATVs’.
Since I ride the hack
Why do you call it “the hack”, around here we call inferior craftsmanship “hack”, I’m not a hack but know a few.
You can’t exactly drop them into the back of any passing pickup like you can with two wheels.
Send me a diagram, a chainsaw, and by next week you’ll have kickass pony motor! Beats walking, pushing, and climbing a mountain for cell service! standard with AMF-Harley! Don’t bother owning an AMF and a tar driveway, park it next to the oil dripping Ford in the dirt!
I prefer to establish an escape route among a group who look like they know I’m there and pace it.
You ever notice sometimes you’re in traffic (highway) and all the drivers around are (for intents and purposes) Professional? Blinkers, slow lane changes, keeping right, and good spacing? and eyes on the road and using rear view to log where cars are and how many?
While other times you twist the throttle to get the f~~~ away from a clusterf~~~ of poor drivers? When I’m not reading the road I’m reading the drivers around me. One time a woman was so f~~~ed up on who-knows-what she had a three lane section of I-91 all tied up where nobody had the b~~~~ to pass, she was literally all over the highway doing about 45 in a 65, when I finally went by her (10 min later), her head was slumped back, mouth drooling, and her eyes were all over the place! I don’t think she even realized she was in a car driving! She was that F~~~ED UP! It wasn’t alcohol, perhaps diabetic shock, I don’t know of any drugs that can get you that f~~~ed up!
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