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The surprise of MGTOW is not that it exists, but that it didn’t come into existence 30 years ago.
Amen!
MGTOW is the only choice that insulates a man from divorce rape, child support, STD’s, abortion of his child, paternity fraud, #metoo, etc.
Preach!
MRA’s are wasting their time trying to get their rights respected under the new system. Tradcons are wasting their time trying to restore the old one.
Beautiful way to put it, Excellent!
I also think you can break down MGTOW into 2 basic groups. There are those that are committed to it to death. The current social circumstances are irrelevant as no forgiveness will ever be given. Then there are those that are willing to forget the past and would re-engage if conditions were truly equitable for a relationship. The distinct really isn’t too relevant though, as there is a 0.00001% chance that conditions will ever be equitable.
Add to that the fact that the rules can always change. Conditions could become equitable tomorrow, but that wouldn’t convince me that they would stay that way into the future. And you marry under today’s laws and divorce under tomorrow’s. Sorry, but we’ve already played that game once.
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Add to that the fact that the rules can always change. Conditions could become equitable tomorrow, but that wouldn’t convince me that they would stay that way into the future. And you marry under today’s laws and divorce under tomorrow’s. Sorry, but we’ve already played that game once.
I’m not sure that would be the case going forward. What’s happen with marriage/divorce in the past didn’t need to be as detailed as it would need to be now. For one thing, divorce were much smaller in number, and thus the majority did not care and let it slip by. Women only gained from the changes, so they put up no fight. If, for example, a law was put in place so that divorce distribution went by spousal income/contribution instead of 50/50, than I have no doubt women currently married would insist on being grandfathered in to a 50/50 settlement since that is the condition they were married under. That in turn would set precedent for men to insist on the same, if laws were ever changed back to 50/50 or something worse.
Of course the logical answer to that particular question is to allow people wishing to marry to contractually set the conditions for divorce in advance. There could never be a logical reason for changing that since men and women could simply not sign the contract if it wasn’t to their liking. If the wanted the terms of the divorce changed, then just divorce under current conditions, and re-marry under the new, agreed upon conditions, or something of that nature. Easy.
Ok. Then do it.
Modernization has allowed more men to live independently, but I’d say feminism has pushed many who would have opted for trad con without much thought towards MGTOW in much greater numbers.
Like Brainpilot said with his 30-40 years delay thing, men have been slow to react to a terrible socio-sexual arrangement. And remember, men are living independently, against their choice. This is why Incel got so popular, Men (who naturally have no own-group preference) just shame themselves and resign to celibacy. Given the opportunity, none of us would ever choose to go our own way, we’d rather be with her. But that is the whole damn problem I keep saying this week — Modernity has distracted women so badly that they don’t even try for casual dating or sex anymore, its that bad now. Serious relationships and Marriage? That is all a rarity now, a total joke. You will be hard pressed to find a woman to even sleep with, who isn’t glued to her smart phone Apps 24/7. They are wired into the mainframe. These c~~~s are beyond reaching, even if you try to Saddle up your Blue horse with White armor and gallop in like Lancelot… she aint putting out without your total debasement and servility. Even Blue Pill dudes aren’t getting laid. Relationships? LOL, they were rough 8 years ago, now they are just brutal.
Yes, I stopped engaging women and won’t start a dating app profile, but that is because those exercises are futile, women are little more than inanimate fixtures, expecting men to keep them serviced and up to code. They dont put out and their intellect is so shallow. Women are unhappy because they were not honed by nature to be this spoiled. They’re most happy when they are in submission, legally and culturally… I know that sounds bad but that is the lion on the savannah, nature’s genetic law. Sexual Dimorphism is antithesis to these egalitarian pipe-dreams.
I also think you can break down MGTOW into 2 basic groups. There are those that are committed to it to death. The current social circumstances are irrelevant as no forgiveness will ever be given. Then there are those that are willing to forget the past and would re-engage if conditions were truly equitable for a relationship. The distinction really isn’t too relevant though, as there is a 0.00001% chance that conditions will ever be equitable.
Thats a fair way of putting it.
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I also think you can break down MGTOW into 2 basic groups. There are those that are committed to it to death. The current social circumstances are irrelevant as no forgiveness will ever be given. Then there are those that are willing to forget the past and would re-engage if conditions were truly equitable for a relationship. The distinct really isn’t too relevant though, as there is a 0.00001% chance that conditions will ever be equitable.
I am committed to MGTOW to death. I am as likely to trust again as I am to catch a leprechaun riding a unicorn that is s~~~ting out a rainbow that leads to a pot of gold.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
Women definitely should not be allowed to vote. Neither should liberals.
As long as women have the right to vote our system will be SOCIALISM. That’s just how it goes Women demand Welfare from the State and they don’t care how it gets paid for.
This. A thousand times this. This state of affairs occurs the moment women become involved in politics. Always. Every time.
Do not wait to strike till the iron is hot; but make it hot by striking! -- William Butler Yeats
Hmm, maybe that’s what I am, simply a tradcon who became nauseated at what women and society in general have become. Wooooooo, I gots me that there Refugee Status…now where my free gub’mint cheese at?
Sovereignty above all else.
The faster races mix, the faster we all become mutts and the race card expires.
Theres the irony right there. WE’RE ALREADY MUTTS. I’ve been pointing this out for years, that race is a social construct and that the altright and all the butt-hurt haters have no basis for their complaints.
MEMES are the problem, not GENES. This is all nature and nurture BUT THEY NEVER LEARN. No one cares, not so-called ‘blacks’ not so-called ‘whites’… they want to go on hating and being ignorant of history.
Humans evolved from several different hominid groups that go back over 7 million years. Modern man, homo sapien sapien as it’s sometimes called broke off from homo Ergaster, homo Erectus to some, about 2 million years ago. So HUMAN kind is only about 2 million years old.
Now, about 85,000 years ago ‘like yesterday basically’ a mother effing Super Volcano went off on the island of Sumatra. We call this event the TOBA eruption. It laid down 7 feet of ash in India from across the Indian ocean. It blocked out the mother effing sun for years on that part of the world. It flat out SLAYED everything in its path, basically most of Afica, Arabia, Asia and Oceania was devastated. The plants and species obliterated.
How do we know this? F~~~ing archaeology. This was NOT long ago. AND GUESS WHAT When we completed mapping the human genome, what did we find? ALL, not some, not a few, ALL MODERN DAY HUMANS ARE DESCENDED from a few hundred people who were in Africa at the time of that eruption that survived the volcanic winter. This was barely yesterday in genetic natural selection terms. We’re so alike across the globe, it’s not even funny at all. Its called a genetic bottle-neck
The petty differences are so f~~~ing negligible, you wouldn’t believe it. Pigment of the skin is affected by geographical latitude. The so-called raceIQ gap is f~~~ing laughable. Its a BELL CURVE. You want to know why negros and arabs suck? It’s because of their s~~~ty cultures. Thug music, slavery backlask, affirmative action, a cult of malingering, BLM etc…. all MEMETIC, not genetic at all. Go look at adopted black kids who are making six figures… tell them about race IQ, lol. Same thing with the dumbass arabs, if you were born in a 18th century sandbox with a loudspeaker blaring the Koran five times a day, you’d be retarded too.
Nothing is black and white, its all 100 shades of grey.
Don’t worry nazis… what happened to the white birthrate will happen to all the rest of them too. feminism and modern contraception and all of it is an unstoppable POISON that kills civilization.
You want to lament the loss of your culture? Fine, I agree. In fact IM GERMAN IRISH! Im more white than any of you. My grandfather came to America from Germany in 1850. My Irish blood actually was here BEFORE 1776. I’m kin to the daughters of the revolution.
Just shut up with your narrative about poor whites already. What a bait and switch if I ever heard one. You sound like the spics, Negroes and women lol all malingering for hand-outs and sympathy.
You want to HATE those f~~~ers? Well hate them for the RIGHT reasons. Their refusal to assimilate. Their s~~~ty culture. Their bad attitude. Their racism. Their MEMES. But dont stand there and tell me they are inferior… they’re as human as you, YOU DAMNED DIRTY APE! lol
I wrote a whole thread about MEMES and GENES in Philosophy about this. No one ever gave a s~~~ really. Just a hand full of comments when this topic is defining the western politics lol. And no one cares.
I tried to write all this yesterday, kept gettin 500 error thing
And remember, men are living independently, against their choice. This is why Incel got so popular, Men (who naturally have no own-group preference) just shame themselves and resign to celibacy.
But incels by definition would choice sex/relationship if it was an option for them. I don’t see it as popular or a choice on their behalf. If it was, wouldn’t they essentially be MGTOW?
Given the opportunity, none of us would ever choose to go our own way, we’d rather be with her.
No, there have always been men who prefer celibacy. The numbers are just much greater now.
Women are unhappy because they were not honed by nature to be this spoiled. They’re most happy when they are in submission, legally and culturally… I know that sounds bad but that is the lion on the savannah, nature’s genetic law.
I think that’s true for the majority of women, although I wouldn’t use the term submission. Women want a strong leader in most cases to make decisions and care for them. Giving women the power to ‘overthrow’ that leader takes away the power and appeal of the leader, and thus makes women less happy in turn. But obvious, some women don’t want this lifestyle and that’s fine. The same as there are men who are not meant to be husbands and fathers. Unfortunately, feminism and really society as a whole won’t let women play the role they long for, really won’t men do it either. And all this is backed up by the law.
As far as races go, my point in saying they were all mutts was that if you cannot tell what race someone is, then you cannot make claims of blanket racism. I completely agree that culture is cause of differing behavior, not genetics. But if we all look the same, we are much less bound to our culture, free to be who want with much less repercussion from those in our culture. It won’t completely be eliminated, as you can still judge based on clothing, accent, gender, weight/health, height, etc….but that wouldn’t be racism. It’s some other ism.
Ok. Then do it.
I completely agree that culture is cause of differing behavior, not genetics.
The racists (people like the alt Right and Stefan Molneux apparently) want to amplify and magnify tiny percentages and correaltions they find in data — then they assign ALL of the real life issues we face with those genetic populations.
Those morons are the reason we have the saying, “correlation doesn’t mean causation.” Skin color and racism is a problem because its READILY APPARENT. There is no way to hide a black face in a crowd. Its sticks out like sore thumb and they automatically get the label. So then all their faults get thrown under the label too.
But what about other genetic differences, like the length of shin bones from varying modern genetic populations or the absence of bones in limbs. You never hear about that at all, AND THOSE ACTUALLY MAKE WAY MORE DIFFERENCE than bogus IQ tests and distribution bell curves. The effing BRAIN is such a complex organ, 150 trillion synapses! Its so complex that we still haven’t totally figured it out. There is no way in f~~~ing hell that one magic number from a test tells us the picture about a person’s intellectual worth. Its a joke.
Racism is bunk. If you want to be p~~~ed about Mexicans, Blacks and Arabs. FINE, BUT COME CORRECT ABOUT THE REAL REASONS. You say one damn thing about the white birth rate or IQ/RACE you have lost all credibility completely.
so sick of hear this s~~~ from people with ZERO inquisitive desire to learn about humans.
Old joke; Dock it hurts when I do that
Dr; don’t do that.
women’s game is so lame. Their only good thing that make her able to pull it off is the little head in your bvd.
Pussy is a rapid devaluing asset a women controls. (men age like wine,women age like milk)
F the dumb s~~~
Man has the answer in the palm of his hand.
Money is excepted everywhere, a vagina not so much
“she keep on betting that the dice wan’t pass and she ain’t ever got clean drawers to pull up on her ass” Ruby Ray Moore
there are so many options to get a nut for the same price as to take HER to dinner.
escort services,blow up dolls, sex robots etc.
If you think that you don’t pay for it one way or another you are fooling yourself. Start with that pussy wagon you bought to bus ticket to uber .
Always remember free pussy is the most expensive. It can cost you houses and child support.Chad is not free from child support as DNA catching hims also
FYI Cowboys rode stump broke mares.
all said the two important things to remember 1) it hurts.don’t do it and 2) she is all about her; you are just a tool to buy her,take her,give her and thing she wantsCulture is more important than genetics in determining behavior, since culture informs values more than genetics does, and values is what influences behavior the most.
What people value the most, they try to preserve. What they don’t value, they let turn to s~~~.
There are some cultures and subcultures that are basically s~~~. The problem is trying to use skin color or assumed ethnicity as a proxy indicator for culture. People get it wrong. Its also stupid the way “Latinos” or Latin Americans get lumped into one category: you have some that speak Portuguese and others that speak native languages… and there is a big difference between Cubans, Chileans and Bolivians. Latinos aren’t a race, whatever the f~~~ a “race” actually is.
There is a huge difference between a Nigerian immigrant and many African-Americans. One is much more likely to be a doctor with a specialty I can barely pronounce, and the other is likely to live in Section 8 housing and have illegitimate children.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
Thanks Ranger One
There are some cultures and subcultures that are basically s~~~. The problem is trying to use skin color or assumed ethnicity as a proxy indicator for culture.
Exactly, and what’s worse is that the people in that group will self-identify with that indicator too. So not only are outsiders mischaracterizing a person, but individuals themselves are also mischaracterizing themselves. Just because you’re black, doesn’t mean you need to adopt all the terrible memes in your culture. Just because you were born in Palestine, doesnt mean you need to continue being a Muslim.
Memes are as strong as Genes. That’s why Scientists began talking about them. The term MEME got highjacked by idiots on the internet. Its not some sarcastic saying with a photo, that is not a meme.
A meme is a behavior that is passed from human to human through non-genetic means.
examples of small memes are:
a. shaking hands as a greeting
b. recycling plastic bottles
c. giving someone a birthday card
d. teaching a boy how to make an arrow-headexamples of meme-plexes: a large group of memes that get passed together, like a flock of birds
a. anthropomorphic deity worship ie ‘monotheism’ in any form
b. the romantic languages
c. religions like Buddhism or Taoism are also memeplexes
d. sports: from Nascar racing to Rugby …
e. politics: esp. feminism…Some memeplexes are so strong, they fly in the face of Biological Determinism itself. Yes, genetics lead to memetics but as is the case with feminism; evo-pscyh (sexual dimorphism *genetic) led to sociological conditions where feminism finally took root. You can see that it has evolved over the course of a century, combined with technology too (advances in medicine) to produce a Memeplex so strong that it has crippled the Birthrate. This is a great example of how a Memeplex became more powerful that Genetics. That is amazing, it happens all the time.
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