A depressing realization.

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

I have a female “friend” who I talk to on a regular basis. She is 30 years old and someone I considered to be “mature” (at least by female standards). We have known each other for many years and have talked for a very long time. I view her strictly as a “friend” and that’s how she views me too, although it has crossed my mind if she secretly views me as something potentially more. After all, we did have a “thing” many years ago…

Anyway, as I was just relaxing one day and day dreaming about random topics, out of nowhere I remembered a conversation me and her had YEARS AGO regarding sex. It literally just popped into my head out of nowhere which was a bit strange. This convo was back in the instant messenger days, so I’m thinking 2007-2009, possibly even earlier. During this convo, I asked her the golden question:

How many guys have you had sex with?

She responded with the number 26 and claimed that she had gone through periods of time where she battled depression and questioned her self worth, and as a result was “easier” during these times. I always thought it was a high number for her age so I guess it just stuck with me.

Fast forward to 2015, and she has absolutely NO recollection of this convo ever taking place. But sure as s~~~, I remembered it almost word for word. I thought up a devious little scheme where I could give her a s~~~ test and see if she passes it or not. I figured this would be the perfect opportunity to see if she would lie to a friend like me after all these years, or be the mature 30 year old woman that she is and admit the REAL number with no f~~~s given. After all, we are good “friends” and tell each other a lot of personal stuff.

So I began a convo in a not so obvious way, eventually asking her the question. I know for the answer to be plausible, it has to be a MINIMUM of 26, but probably somewhere in the high 30s or 40s realistically by now. To my complete and utter disbelief, she responds with 12. I was and still am shocked. Shocked that even a 30 year old supposedly mature woman still has the mindset of a 13 year old high school girl afraid of being viewed as a “slut”. Shocked that she would still lie to a close friend like that. But most of all, shocked at the depressing realization that no matter how old or “mature” a female gets, she will NEVER be mature and NEVER be completely truthful about anything. Not that I didn’t know this already, but this was the final nail in the coffin of hope. I really thought such a friend like her would be slightly NAWALT here, but nope. This was it.

I even gave her a few chances to come clean about it. I called her out on the number without revealing the truth yet. But when she kept lying to me, insisting that it was 12, I eventually admitted to her that I remembered her telling me a number that was a LOT higher years ago. Her response after realizing she was caught was “I’m busy now, I cant remember the real number, I’ll have to go home and recount”. Eventually this led to an argument with her overusing the response “k” after realizing she had been defeated and exposed.

This is more than just a numbers game. Most men couldn’t give a s~~~ about a woman’s real number. It’s a matter of principles, honor, integrity, credibility, and maturity. All of which a female has 0 of and couldn’t care less if she did or not. Those characteristics mean nothing to a modern female. This was a depressing realization but one that I have been realizing for many years now. All this did was solidify it to me even further.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

I have absolutely no doubt that no man will truly know the real number. Even women sicken themselves when they think of it.

Whatever they say DOUBLE it at minimum …. MINIMUM.

We as man can even begin to guess what filth is in their minds.

Hookers are the most honest of the bunch.

[TruthspoonParticipant 1283]

Welcome to the matrix my friend……

It gets easier from here on. Once you figure them out the self-doubt disappears and you realise it’s THEM not you….. These days I just tune them out when they’re talking and have no female friends, because I’m honest and don’t play games.

Women never want friendship from a man….like you say, she wants something else…..

So forget them and get on with more important stuff than wasting valuabe MAN hours with these duplicitous breeding machines.

[XSDBSParticipant 3598]

Sounds to me you’re in her “friend zone”…

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

A hooker once told me she guestimates her number being possibly over 1000 or near it. I respect her infinitely more than the “normal” girl who says 4 but in reality its 39.

And that 39 is only including the guys who she had vaginal sex with. Let’s not forget the guys who did it anally which she conveniently left out. Then there are the guys who wore a condom that she didn’t count either because “it’s not real or intimate unless there’s no condom, therefore he didn’t count”. Then there are the guys…

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

XSDBS wrote:

Sounds to me you’re in her “friend zone”…

Sounds to you I’m in her friend zone? Not sure how a guy who has received several blowjobs and has had sex with said girl in the past can be in her “friend zone”. I’m not sure which “friend zone” you are referring to. Are you implying I secretly like her and am mad that she won’t give me the time of day and now I have to resort to bashing her? I stated clearly that we ARE indeed friends which is the only type of relationship I seek with females these days, and even that’s rare. So which “friend zone” are you referring to? Because I’m definitely in a “friendly zone” with her, but certainly not the one you might’ve been referring to.

In any case, I’m glad that’s what it sounds like to you…

But it SMELLS to me like there is some fish that just entered this topic. I’m on to you, c~~~.

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

In no way, should you ever be surprised about a woman changing a statement, even by women you consider “close friends”, if the statement is going to be used according to the “valued perception of herself”.

Too many times I’ve seen changing statements of women, close or not, and their failure to remember their own previous statements, at this point you should simply laugh it off, as the joke it is, joke of women’s integrity being near zero, with few, if any, exceptions.

Changing a statement to fit the valued perception, of the person, they are currently talking to, so yeah, she has you in the “saving for later” basket, to her, your name is “Justin Case”.

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

Burgundy wrote:

In no way, should you ever be surprised about a woman changing a statement, even by women you consider “close friends”, if the statement is going to be used according to the “valued perception of herself”.

Too many times I’ve seen changing statements of women, close or not, and their failure to remember their own previous statements, at this point you should simply laugh it off, as the joke it is, joke of women’s integrity being near zero, with few, if any, exceptions.

Changing a statement to fit the valued perception, of the person, they are currently talking to, so yeah, she has you in the “saving for later” basket, to her, your name is “Justin Case”.

Which I find funny because I am very vocal about my love for freedom and being single for the remainder of my life to her. So why would she still lie to ME of all people when I’m clearly not a remote possibility. “Save for later” basket seems silly when she knows that “later” will be quite a while from now. So what or how long exactly is she saving me for? The rest of your post made sense though.

P.S. Gattaca is one of my top 10 movies.

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

Well the fact, she would lower her “f~~~ counter” to you, would obviously mean, she wouldn’t want to “devalue” her sex value to you, if that makes any sense, and maybe you have become a possible partner for her, over the years, in the end, I don’t think there are any logical explanations, when concerning women’s action’s and their changing states/statements.

In some way, most male friends of a woman, is a “save for possible upgrade”, especially in this day and age. What her opinions of you, to a possible partnership now, is most likely vastly different, than 5 years ago, and what she possible thought you would be accepting.

Maybe you aren’t a save for later, maybe you are her main target for life now, who knows, but any single male friend is a Justin Case.

Maybe I’m just throwing a ball in the wrong direction here, and missing badly.

Aye, Gattaca is a great movie. Watch it often to rekindle my own goals, and to remember, stick to the goal/dream, instead of staying for the ordinary life.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

This is proof that women know it’s wrong to have a high count and they know it lowers their value. Otherwise why lie about it.

If they were proud of what they did they would be honest.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[The Skank SpankerParticipant 1372]

Women are masters at deception. On the very rare occasion they get caught, they will still NEVER EVER come clean. They will rather bend the space-time continuum or make you doubt your sanity than coming clean.

This is why you cannot ever build an honest relationship with a woman. They will manipulate the s~~~ out of you and twist the truth in their favor. I know plenty of women that told me, on more than one occasion, that they rather be friends with men than friends with women: because “they couldn’t trust female friends”.

Thanks for proving AWALT again. Godda stay sharp.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Women play dumb all the time. According to research women are suppose to have better memory! i rarely talk to women unless necessary. The last time was at an financial institution and she was a total waste of time. To be honest I wonder why you have any female friends, I guess you have too much free time.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[XSDBSParticipant 3598]

Wandering MGHOW wrote:

I’m on to you, c~~~.

That reminded me of freshman year at high school.
One of the seniors called me a pussy, and I said “You are what you eat!”
He thought that was funny as s~~~!
Thanks for the laugh!

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22545]

Wandering MGHOW wrote:

How many guys have you had sex with?

She responded with the number 26 and claimed that she had gone through periods of time where she battled depression and questioned her self worth, and as a result was “easier” during these times. I always thought it was a high number for her age so I guess it just stuck with me.

Fast forward to 2015, and she has absolutely NO recollection of this convo ever taking place. But sure as s~~~, I remembered it almost word for word. I thought up a devious little scheme where I could give her a s~~~ test and see if she passes it or not. I figured this would be the perfect opportunity to see if she would lie to a friend like me after all these years, or be the mature 30 year old woman that she is and admit the REAL number with no f~~~s given. After all, we are good “friends” and tell each other a lot of personal stuff.

So I began a convo in a not so obvious way, eventually asking her the question. I know for the answer to be plausible, it has to be a MINIMUM of 26, but probably somewhere in the high 30s or 40s realistically by now. To my complete and utter disbelief, she responds with 12. I was and still am shocked. Shocked that even a 30 year old supposedly mature woman still has the mindset of a 13 year old high school girl afraid of being viewed as a “slut”. Shocked that she would still lie to a close friend like that. But most of all, shocked at the depressing realization that no matter how old or “mature” a female gets, she will NEVER be mature and NEVER be completely truthful about anything. Not that I didn’t know this already, but this was the final nail in the coffin of hope. I really thought such a friend like her would be slightly NAWALT here, but nope. This was it.

The sad part is 26 is likely a low number for women her age.

And you have come to the same realization I have, most women, and even many men, are emotionally immature. They are so emotionally immature that they lack the understand what how what they do wrong is wrong. You cannot explain it to them because they will not grasp.

I have come to the conclusion that sex is a low grade drug addiction. It is not bad to have occasion, but continued sex rots the brain.

But, that does not excuse the actions of women. The problem is that women, as they grew up, were the princess mentality that they are not responsible for their actions and it is never their fault.

Don’t feel bad. Civilizations at this point don’t last long. And when the reality of the collapse slaps so many immature people in the face, a few of them will finally grow up and be worth you time in talking to. As for the rest, forget about them. And until then, just make the most of your time.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Wandering MGHOW wrote:

Which I find funny because I am very vocal about my love for freedom and being single for the remainder of my life to her. So why would she still lie to ME of all people when I’m clearly not a remote possibility. “Save for later” basket seems silly when she knows that “later” will be quite a while from now. So what or how long exactly is she saving me for? The rest of your post made sense though.

I’d just like to point out that it doesn’t matter to a female what YOU think about the nature of the relationship… it’s what SHE thinks about it that counts. If she sees you as potential post-wall beta male provider material, then she’s going to treat you accordingly regardless of how you claim to feel about relationships, commitment, children, buying a home in the suburbs, driving a SUV, wearing pastel v-neck sweaters… all that stuff is, in her mind, negotiable once she gets you where she wants you,

Lying to you is part of the process of social angling, as it is for all females. She may not even realize it herself but somewhere in her tiny brain, there is a purpose to it.

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

If a woman has a total of only 45 men in her history from womb to wall… that’s the same as the total number of players allowed on an NFL team’s game day roster.
The question is, was that 45 one night stands, a bunch of 6 month relations~~~s, or the whole team very Tuesday?

"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22545]

Stargazer wrote:

I’d just like to point out that it doesn’t matter to a female what YOU think about the nature of the relationship… it’s what SHE thinks about it that counts.

Which is the whole point of MGTOW being that we men matter.

This society is a completely lie. This society claims to fight for tolerance. When in truth seniority and merit do not matter. What matter is what is below the waist line and what skin color a person has. All of which most of society, save for the victims, claim to rail against, but in truth they secretly support because they benefit from the bigotry against us.

[AFTParticipant 2722]

I remember this chick once told me her number was 3 or 4, I said, is it 3 or is it 4, I mean if someone really only had that few partners, they’d know the EXACT number. I have no clue on my number, because I’ve never counted, but if it was 3 or if it was 4 I’d know the exact number. I guess that’s why I never kept a lets just be friends relationship post sex with any of them.

I think the problem starts and ends with

Wandering MGHOW wrote:

I have a female “friend”

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

When she was in her 20’s they dont think before they talk and spill too much unnecessary details that they dont know will be a detriment to their SMV. As they get older and go through the ringer and endure more shame for being a slut,instead of pressing the whore brakes they hamster their way into thinking “i should have never told him” and decrease the c~~~count for future suckers! Women know exactly how many men they have been with because their body/smv is the only value they know the have,so inventory is inspected on a regular. You ever notice they go to the Dr for anything because if there’s any issue with that golden uterus she is minimized to a public trash can that people just walk around but never pay any mind. Every c~~~ thats went in that tunnel is accounted for….

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[NotMyProblemParticipant 965]

That’s f~~~in gross. A true cum dumpster for sure.

I made the mistake of asking a few females for their notch-count. I remember the answer this one innocent looking 23 year old gave me…

She says 24……. like she was proud of it!

Even these young innocent looking 20 year olds are used and abused now. Ughhk

This is why I just jerk off. No herpes for me.

It’s sad but you really have to wear a rubber with your gf’s and wives also these days…

I’m a fedex driver that has f~~~ed many peoples wives. I figure it’s not my fault they married a slut…

Not my property... Not my problem

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