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Anonymous38I discovered the red pill a year ago and have been devouring content ever since. Once my rage subsided, I thought I could use my red pill knowledge to enjoy LTRs… however the first brief encounter reminded me of how much I understand women and why their games and machinations drive me insane. I now hold no hope of a mature and loving relationship with a woman, save for finding a unicorn which as we all know do not exist.
I guess post-rage, I was only purple pill. The oneitis hadn’t left me. Well it has now. Is this simply the natural progression towards a full and absolute internalisation of the RED pill? That was the last thing I ever wanted, having been an acute sufferer of oneitis and having a strong male mother need from youth, likely due to a cold and distant mother who turfed out my father when I was seven, because she “didn’t love him any more”. I desperately wanted to be wrong, to believe the love I felt in my twenties was real and could be real again. But being as awake as I am now, I realise that is simply a fantasy.
I have not suffered anywhere near as much as some men have at the hands of women, but like any intelligent person I have learned from others’ experiences. Starting with my Dad’s! While I always pined for women, I have always had an extremely strong desire for freedom, and low tolerance for bulls~~~. This meant I was almost always the one who dumped my girls, called them out on their s~~~, acted sort of ‘alpha’, etc. I could always sense when they tried to manipulate me, and it would make me so forcefully angry it scared the s~~~ out of them. It’s not like I didn’t give warning, I’m the guy who always tries the kind and understanding approach of resolving issues, but once I feel someone is taking the p~~~ and won’t stop, I turn sort of deadly.
All I remember from being in relationships was occasional moments of bliss, while the majority of the time desperately wishing I was free. Logically I should have used this knowledge to forget about women when I was single, but mere logic is no cure for oneitis… only the red pill can do the job.
I was married once, for a few years – never again. I haven’t sworn off relationships completely but were I to get in one, I would ensure there was no risk to my mental or financial wellbeing. Which pretty much rules out all women who need to feel that investment after a few months. Regardless, somehow I know another relationship isn’t possible, given that I detect the slightest of manipulations that women seem to depend on.
I am ex-British military (six years), served in Afghanistan, now in a professional occupation and pursuing a higher degree. I have two properties which I may increase to three, whatever happens the general plan is to get them all paid off by 50 and then enjoy an early retirement of sorts. So on paper I’m doing ok, it’s just I feel this general sadness, malaise, a real lack of motivation to get anything done since I fully understood women. When you do, it really hits home just how much our motivation is tied to our reproductive drive.
Will this subside as I get older, even more experienced / knowledgeable and my sex drive diminishes?
DoI just make a career / financial / retirement plan and stick to it, and forget about finding some sort of happiness or meaning right now? I feel like an idiot for not being able to find some joy in life – ungrateful almost, but it’s really f~~~ing bleak. I just feel I analyse everything and understand too much, and s~~~’s constantly depressing. The gynocentric and fake culture is everywhere, every day. I work in an office full of women, it’s hell. I want to scream at these devious, underhanded and flaky bitches, but I have to play nice while I’m being a wage slave.
Have any of you older guys been here and think this is just a stage I’m going through?
I’ve been looking at booking a Thai ‘masseuse’ once a month to get some relaxation and female touch – will cost less than wining and dining some head f~~~ (though I only ever pay half the bill) and much less BS. Is this a good idea?
I’ve asked a lot of questions and these are probably quite trivial issues in the grand scheme of things (I know existential-type strife is largely a waste of time), but I’m always thirsty for knowledge and I greatly value the advice of men who’ve gone before me. It’s not that I desire to short-cut my spiritual progression, I just wonder what lies ahead sometimes. I want to end up like the forties and fifties guys on here who seem really happy with their lives!
Peace out brothers.
PS, I really think MGTOW is the best thing to happen to men.
Anonymous12DoI just make a career / financial / retirement plan and stick to it, and forget about finding some sort of happiness or meaning right now?
Hello Taoist.
Welcome.
I do not know if i can express this accurately, but i shall still try to convey my thoughts on this essential question.
A boy longs for chocolate and nags his parents
A male teenager longs for sex and chases skirts
An Adult chases “the one” and goes all out in his efforts to find it.
A MGTOW has swallowed the red pill, and finds himself lost and confused after the initial shock.I offer the possibility that you stop.
Stop dead in your tracks, Pull the Handbrake, jump out of the hamster wheel that you keep running in, disconnect from everything and anything you were ever told you need todo and achieve to be happy and give meaning to your 100 years on this planet.
Just like a Boy desperately chasing the girl of his dreams… she may be right behind him, and he will only meet her when he stops running, to give her a chance to catch up with him.
Just like a recently awoken Human chasing meaning and happiness… it will come to you once you stop running like a headless chicken.
I am aware that stopping the race is not the answer you might be looking for.
I offer you the perspective to calm down, let go of old concepts of life, let go of things you were told lead to happyness.
Once that happens, stay calm some more, grow your patience.And before you know, you will find yourself spending your time and energy on things that are worthwhile.
What those things are… nobody can tell you.
You will realize the answer is there… when you are on your way to incorporate it in your life.TL;DR
Patience, Grasshopper!Welcome once more.
Sofa to the left and Beer in the fridge.
Stay a while and let us listen to the wise men.I’m 49 and I remember being younger and wishing that my dick would shut the f~~~ up so that I could get some s~~~ done. Now that it has, I wonder sometimes if I’m better off for it or not.
The best similee I can think of to express this is that women are like art. When you’re young you want to hang pictures on your wall to show the world (mostly yourself) that you’ve got taste and style. You buy cheap band t-shirts and tack posters up by the corners and you build a world of images that reflects who you feel you are.
As you get into your adulthood, the art gets more espensive. You take your best band poster and put it in a real frame with glass, the t-shirts become more fashionable wear, you start to buy watches and furniture and maybe paintings and sculptures that show the world (mostly yourself) that you’ve succeeded and can afford to surround yourself with such things.
Then you get older and at some point you realize that you’ve spent a ton of time, effort and money acquiring objects that don’t mean s~~~. Maybe you looked around and saw all the opportunity cost of the items you’d surrounded yourself with or perhaps you were dumbstruck by and contemplating how you were going to be able to afford that one great painting you simply couldn’t live without… but then the reality of it came through and you realized that it’s all just so much landfill.
The desire to acquire women is exactly the same. Just like with art, there is no such thing as QUALITY or VALUE when it comes to women. There is only quantity, rarity and cost… and you have the choice of expending yourself on trying to prove to the world (mostly yourself) that you are worthy of the best or of realizeing that your worth has nothing to do with the number or appearance of women in your life.
Do you still f~~~? Sure. More and more MGTOW these days are going and advocating going monk and for good reason, but you can still f~~~. You just pick low-hanging fruit and do it anonymously so that you don’t expend undue effort or endanger yourself. Pay for an occasional rub-n-tug, why not. Bang some desperate housewife in an out of town hotel bar while on on a business trip, sure thing. Kick it with some younger dudes in a neighboring college town and take the squrilly chick that none of them wants… you’re a f~~~ing hero.
But as for purpose and meaning in life? No woman can give you that. It’s an illusion. It’s THE illusion. This is the singular truth that the red pill reveals… that the matrix exists to turn you into a battery to power the world of women. Once you embrace that truth fully and completely, you can’t help but see women for what they are… and if that doesn’t put you off caring about them and chasing after them and judging yourself by their approval, then you are still plugged in.
My advice to you is this: Withdraw from the world of women for a while. Stack your chips during the week and spend your weekends exploring new ideas. Rent a boat, take a discovery flight, borrow a telescope, go on a hike, read a new book, talk to some strangers. You’ll eventually find a thread of interest that will lead to a hobby that will become a passion that will engage you in a lifetime of meaningful constructive and/or curative effort that will give your life meaning.
Meaning doesn’t come from other people and especially not from having a woman, it comes from a man building or fixing or cultivating or restoring or discovering or exploring something. When you find your calling, then you’ll have a REASON to earn a living as well as a reason to LIVE and the lure of the world of women will become clear to you as the siren’s song that it is.
machinations
Great word.
I thought I could use my red pill knowledge to enjoy LTRs… however the first brief encounter reminded me of how much I understand women and why their games and machinations drive me insane
Once aware of what’s really going on, a small/harmless manipulation she’s not even aware of, is like a “f~~~ you , don’t even try it”. You’d think it would increase your basic tolerance, but it actually lowered mine to ZERO and I became hyper-aware.
Is this simply the natural progression towards a full and absolute internalisation of the RED pill?
I actually have to make an effort find humor and amusement in it. I don’t think little female games and “machinations” are amusing – at all. Especially the kind she is not even aware of herself.
I have not suffered anywhere near as much as some men have at the hands of women
Nor have I, and ^ that is probably why. So it’s not a problem.
I have always had an extremely strong desire for freedom, and low tolerance for bulls~~~. This meant I was almost always the one who dumped my girls, called them out on their s~~~, acted sort of ‘alpha’, etc. I could always sense when they tried to manipulate me, and it would make me so forcefully angry it scared the s~~~ out of them. It’s not like I didn’t give warning, I’m the guy who always tries the kind and understanding approach of resolving issues, but once I feel someone is taking the p~~~ and won’t stop, I turn sort of deadly.
Kindred spirits you and I. As if I wrote it myself. I have gotten pretty hostile when provoked, and have even thought to myself “It’s AMAZING what kind of a ABJECT ASSHOLE DICKHEAD you really have to be to make sure a woman doesn’t get away with any crap”…. but I do try to apply some “amused mastery” whenever possible to avoid being infuriated by it.
It’s not your problem. It’s theirs.
They shouldn’t even try it, so don’t feel bad about it nailing them on it.Have any of you older guys been here and think this is just a stage I’m going through?
Do you consider it a problem? I don’t.
I’ve been looking at booking a Thai ‘masseuse’ once a month to get some relaxation
THAT is terrific , and I do it myself – but not often enough . And I like to get WRECKED. I don’t enjoy it one bit until it’s over, but I actually give this to myself this as a birthday present every year.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.DoI just make a career / financial / retirement plan and stick to it, and forget about finding some sort of happiness or meaning right now? I feel like an idiot for not being able to find some joy in life – ungrateful almost, but it’s really f~~~ing bleak. I just feel I analyse everything and understand too much, and s~~~’s constantly depressing. The gynocentric and fake culture is everywhere, every day. I work in an office full of women, it’s hell. I want to scream at these devious, underhanded and flaky bitches, but I have to play nice while I’m being a wage slave.
This is probably the worst phase of taking TRP. Trust me, it does pass and life gets a lot easier from then on once you get it out of your system.
Anonymous6
I’m 49 and I remember being younger and wishing that my dick would shut the f~~~ up so that I could get some s~~~ done. Now that it has, I wonder sometimes if I’m better off for it or not.
The best similee I can think of to express this is that women are like art. When you’re young you want to hang pictures on your wall to show the world (mostly yourself) that you’ve got taste and style. You buy cheap band t-shirts and tack posters up by the corners and you build a world of images that reflects who you feel you are.
As you get into your adulthood, the art gets more espensive. You take your best band poster and put it in a real frame with glass, the t-shirts become more fashionable wear, you start to buy watches and furniture and maybe paintings and sculptures that show the world (mostly yourself) that you’ve succeeded and can afford to surround yourself with such things.
Then you get older and at some point you realize that you’ve spent a ton of time, effort and money acquiring objects that don’t mean s~~~. Maybe you looked around and saw all the opportunity cost of the items you’d surrounded yourself with or perhaps you were dumbstruck by and contemplating how you were going to be able to afford that one great painting you simply couldn’t live without… but then the reality of it came through and you realized that it’s all just so much landfill.
The desire to acquire women is exactly the same. Just like with art, there is no such thing as QUALITY or VALUE when it comes to women. There is only quantity, rarity and cost… and you have the choice of expending yourself on trying to prove to the world (mostly yourself) that you are worthy of the best or of realizeing that your worth has nothing to do with the number or appearance of women in your life.
Do you still f~~~? Sure. More and more MGTOW these days are going and advocating going monk and for good reason, but you can still f~~~. You just pick low-hanging fruit and do it anonymously so that you don’t expend undue effort or endanger yourself. Pay for an occasional rub-n-tug, why not. Bang some desperate housewife in an out of town hotel bar while on on a business trip, sure thing. Kick it with some younger dudes in a neighboring college town and take the squrilly chick that none of them wants… you’re a f~~~ing hero.
But as for purpose and meaning in life? No woman can give you that. It’s an illusion. It’s THE illusion. This is the singular truth that the red pill reveals… that the matrix exists to turn you into a battery to power the world of women. Once you embrace that truth fully and completely, you can’t help but see women for what they are… and if that doesn’t put you off caring about them and chasing after them and judging yourself by their approval, then you are still plugged in.
My advice to you is this: Withdraw from the world of women for a while. Stack your chips during the week and spend your weekends exploring new ideas. Rent a boat, take a discovery flight, borrow a telescope, go on a hike, read a new book, talk to some strangers. You’ll eventually find a thread of interest that will lead to a hobby that will become a passion that will engage you in a lifetime of meaningful constructive and/or curative effort that will give your life meaning.
Meaning doesn’t come from other people and especially not from having a woman, it comes from a man building or fixing or cultivating or restoring or discovering or exploring something. When you find your calling, then you’ll have a REASON to earn a living as well as a reason to LIVE and the lure of the world of women will become clear to you as the siren’s song that it is.
@doc: You have outdone yourself. This post was absolutely EPIC. It deserves it’s own thread!!
Anonymous6I now hold no hope of a mature and loving relationship with a woman,…
It’s funny how once our assumptions are show to be false, our conclusions subsequently fall apart. The quoted line above describes the relationship as “mature” and “loving.” This assumes that the average female is not only capable of being both mature, willing to be loving in a relationship, and finally willing to act BOTH lovingly and in a mature fashion after she gets into a relationship with you. This constitutes a scaffolding too far, and you’ve realized that. That is a painful place to get to, but one that will ultimately set you free…and it has set you free.
Welcome.
Here’s something I read on AVFM that might put things ito perspective. I can relate, and at 62 it DOES get easier.
1. When I was 13, I hoped that one day I would have a girlfriend with big T~~~.
2. When I was 16, I got a girlfriend with big t~~~, but there was no passion, I decided I needed a passionate girl with zest for life.
3. In college I dated a passionate girl, but she was too emotional. Everything was an emergency. She was a drama queen, cried all the time and threatened suicide. I decided I needed a girl with stability.
4. When I was 25, I found a very stable girl but she was boring. She was totally predictable and never got excited about anything. Life became so dull that I decided I needed a girl with some excitement.
5. When I was 28, I found an exciting girl, but I couldn’t keep up with her. She rushed from one thing to another, never settling on anything. She did mad impetuous things and made me miserable as often as happy. She was great fun initially and very energetic, but directionless. I decided to find a girl with some real ambition.
6. When I turned 30, I found a smart ambitious girl with her feet planted firmly on the ground, I married her. She was so ambitious that she divorced me and took everything I owned.
7. I’m older and wiser now, I’m looking for a girl with big t~~~
"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."
7. I’m older and wiser now, I’m looking for a girl with big t~~~
LOL…That cracked me up Joe…AWALT…
I stand with feet apart and let my balls hang free...Manginas dont have balls...See how they stand and sit at the whim of their masters...
Welcome mgtow_taoist, great intro.
I’m doing ok, it’s just I feel this general sadness, malaise, a real lack of motivation to get anything done since I fully understood women
You must own a better Crystal ball than I
Anonymous1Great intro Taoist. Awesome reply from the Doc.
I am in a similiar boat. I worked myself hard my whole life and since I discovered Mgtow. I realised I don’t need to work that hard.
The fear is gone so with the need to provide for someone who is ungratful and never will be happy. The doc has the perfect prescription. Go out try new things. You’ll see instances in your day to day life which make you glad that you are no longer a slave.
You are a free man…
DoI just make a career / financial / retirement plan and stick to it, and forget about finding some sort of happiness or meaning right now?
You called yourself a Taoist. Try starting there.
As for ‘forgetting about happiness’ define happiness before you forget it. Maybe if you know what you’re looking for you will know where to search for it.If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.
Anonymous3Welcome! Fantastic replies to your intro. Really good stuff. Was able to laugh as well as empathize. And your intro was well worth reading. All I can say is this is the place to b.I am crazy, but in the zen, taoist, Buddhist sense. I am a happy Old Hound dog. You pull my ears as hard as you want & I will remain the same. Thank you & Thanks to all who replied
Hi mgtow_taoist, I can’t answer your question as I’m only a little ahead of you at 38 (and a Brit too!). But I wanted to comment on your post, because I’m at the exact same point in life. I could have written your post regarding the malaise, depression, seeing culture as fake, etc. It underlies every waking moment lately.
I just found your post so resonant that I felt compelled to comment. Welcome to the site mate.
30 years old here, also have given up the active pursuit of women. From time to time, I also feel the existential crisis…usually about once or twice a week. Lately, however, I find that the moments of bleakness that you refer to, that I feel every so often, are temporary and leave after some time. I’ve learned that there are a couple of things that seem to fix this for me: one, going to work for some reason seems to fix the mood. Even though it’s the last thing I want to do at that moment, I always feel that whatever empty feeling I had is never there after a day at work. I work as a pharmacist at Walgreens, the fast paced environment makes it easy to forget your internal problems. Another thing that seems to fix the mood this is ensuring I’m well rested, and that I’ve eaten well…and then I go to the gym. I do some weight lifting for about an hour, and most of the time I leave feeling much better, more energetic, and even feeling more passionate about life.
Why this is exactly, I don’t know. I suspect it actually has to do with my physical state. I find too much consumption of coffee can have this effect, too…mostly when you are in the “crashing” phase. It sounds weird, but your physical state can have a powerful effect on your mental state as well. When you are feeling tired and sluggish, it’s easy to slip into a state of mind that nothing in life is worth pursuing, and then you begin to question why you are here.
As such, I’ve learned that when such thoughts roll into my mind, I just take a step back from whatever I’m doing, and I’ll either go to work or get some kind of exercise for 30-60 minutes after I’m well rested. For me, these thoughts and feelings are usually temporary.
I typed this post on a smartphone, so I apologize for any grammatical or syntax errors.
Welcome to the site! Hope you find the answers that you are looking for.
Formerly MoneyOverBitches
When you do, it really hits home just how much our motivation is tied to our reproductive drive.
That is the problem you can’t motivate yourself any other way. Because you have never learned to motivate yourself any other way.
A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!
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Anonymous38Thank you guys, I’m truly touched by the wise and humorous responses. I read them with pure delight. Sharing honest feelings is something of a rarity these days, I feel like Winston Smith in 1984 with all my thoughts 🙂
Stop dead in your tracks, Pull the Handbrake, jump out of the hamster wheel that you keep running in, disconnect from everything and anything you were ever told you need todo and achieve to be happy and give meaning to your 100 years on this planet.
This comment literally stopped me dead in my tracks. I believe this is the concept of ego death.. Which I’ve known for a long time, but I wasn’t really living. I knew this truth on an intellectual level, but I’ve failed to really embody it. I felt that annihilating my ego entirely would leave me utterly bereft of motivation (arguably the ego has played a huge part in building civilisations), and so it still paid to “play the game” to some degree. Deep down my drive was still based on the hope that if I get my life set up nicely, I’ll find a good woman and complete with my RP knowledge, all will be rosy. Lol. It was still that “cleaving to the fantasy” that stood in my way.
I’ve come a long way, but I thought I wasn’t ‘there’ yet. And this comment just shocked me because the point is you need to stop trying to get ‘there’…… Thanks for the insight g-mow, it feels like the advice I needed at exactly the right time.
Then you get older and at some point you realize that you’ve spent a ton of time, effort and money acquiring objects that don’t mean s~~~. Maybe you looked around and saw all the opportunity cost of the items you’d surrounded yourself with or perhaps you were dumbstruck by and contemplating how you were going to be able to afford that one great painting you simply couldn’t live without… but then the reality of it came through and you realized that it’s all just so much landfill.
@doc Fenderson, again, I know this to be true. A lifetime spent living simply in order to accumulate stuff will never make sense. And yet I would find myself lusting after a particular car, apartment, woman – as if these things would bring me contentment. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a middle-aged / old man lament that he didn’t spend enough time chasing tail – it tends to be quite the opposite. This is true of myself as well, having slept with circa 80 women I just look back and think what a waste of time that was. What the time and money could have done had it been better applied!
FrostByte said you call yourself a Taoist… Start there. True, my moniker is Taoist, yet I am far from a sage. It is something I aim to be. Even though I know the point of the Tao is you don’t ‘try’ to be something, this striving is antithetical to Taoism.
Johnny Zero.. Your message brought a huge grin to my face. I aspire to be an eccentric old Buddha myself mate. Happy, real, incorruptible. I wish I just did not care what others thought – for the most part I don’t but I’d like to eliminate it from my psyche entirely.
Once aware of what’s really going on, a small/harmless manipulation she’s not even aware of, is like a “f~~~ you , don’t even try it”. You’d think it would increase your basic tolerance, but it actually lowered mine to ZERO and I became hyper-aware.
100% this. This is why relationships seem impossible to me now, I can’t switch off my awareness. Women have evolved to be this way, they can’t help it. I wish I could think “well it’s just their nature, it’s not evil, it just IS”, but I don’t think I’m that kind of guy. Rightly or wrongly I believe everyone can work to overcome their instinctive behaviours if it’s worth doing so (if it’s hurting someone you supposedly love).
Reading the responses I also realised that I still care too much about society at large. The gynocentrism, the bulls~~~. I need to accept it, and laugh at it. F~~~ it.
Been reading these responses all day at work, waiting to respond. Thanks again to all. It’s good to know there are like-minded brothers out there. In days gone by one could get such guidance and advice from men in the local community, passing on wisdom is a natural thing for men to do. That feels all but gone now.
Got home and did some preparation on the house – I’ve got the plasterer coming on Monday. Of course I had Stardusk playing on my phone. I live alone and my fridge contains a few sauces, some garlic, and tons of beer. As I reached inside to grab a cold one before starting work, I thought, working on something that requires sacrifice and hard, dirty work, is very difficult with a woman in the background. Where’s the wallpaper scraper? I’m living the dream.
I look forward to reading and posting on many other forum topics.
Peace out brothers.
DoI just make a career / financial / retirement plan and stick to it, and forget about finding some sort of happiness or meaning right now? I feel like an idiot for not being able to find some joy in life – ungrateful almost, but it’s really f~~~ing bleak.
Hi Taoist,
Lifelong MGHOW, 43 so I’m just over ten years on you bro. During my 30s I had the same feelings as you, looking for purpose and meaning in LTRs thinking that “there must be something wrong with me” etc. Theres not. Most women are selfish c~~~s that would step over their own mother if they thought it would give them an easier life. I spent most of my adult life away from my family, but now as I get older I find myself drawn to the warmth and unconditional acceptance blood relations bring. I have returned back to my native country and am now the head of my household which includes ,my cousins and second cousins, my mum and my younger brothers. I play an important role as provider for my mum who is disabled and I have the benefit of having lots of male relatives around as I didn’t grow up with that. My advice to you is to look to your blood relations or closest friends and try to build those relationships into someone solid and meaningful. Going MGTOW has done wonders for me, but it has different meanings for all of us. For me it means reclaiming the male role as head of the family and putting the women in their place, which they actually appreciate and enjoy. I wish you all the best in the future bro,
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