3 Important Lessons I Learned About Civilization From Living In A Hippie Commune

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  • #227826
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    Uintatherium
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    I usually hate Return of Kings but this article was spot-on.
    Check This S~~~ Out

    Rich Zubaty was right. Cities are feminine. Nature is masculine.

    MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

    #227852
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    Bstoff
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    Great article. I am going to be looking there for more from this guy.

    #227903
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    Hellraider
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    this article makes a couple of good points about human nature, but if fails to see that what works for 15 days does not work for society in general.

    All the hard working and women needing men is okay.

    But, trying to live without antibiotics, vaccines, modern medicine, modern agriculture is just an ilusion.

    Do you want to die at age 40 from pneumonia? Or from tetanus?

    The ideia of going back to a stone age civilization is an ilusion.
    Do you think 15000 people would survive in the forest WITHOUT TRUCKS BRINGING THE FOOD IN?

    Im sorry, but this is a fallacy, just like the one that says that in the “good old days” of “patriarchy” all was well between men and women.

    #227921
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    Lurch
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    this article makes a couple of good points about human nature, but if fails to see that what works for 15 days does not work for society in general.

    I get what you’re saying, but the point as I see it, is that the 15 days was a microcosm of what would happen if you had a group of people(humans) being left to operate in an environment devoid of a government, run by an elite class of corrupt, selfish bastards.

    Whether it be a forest, urban wasteland, chaotic war-zone or post apocalyptic zombie invasion, where you have a group of people whom have banded together to survive left to their own devices, you will discover that the genders will find their own purpose, as nature intended.

    The men will protect, the women will nurture. That’s our hardwired biological programming, just ask Charles Darwin.

    Blue-Pill Virgin: Women hate me! That's what it is.
    MGTOW Man: Hate them back; it works for me.

    #227939
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    Narwhal
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    This is just a fantasy world. It was not devoid of government, if a woman decided she was just going to murder that creep that looked at her wrong, would she not go to jail? The food trucks, modern equipment, clothing…all sorts of things that made life different. As well, everyone there knew it was going to end. So those lazy 90% were taking a vacation while you were trying to run a social experiment. And the women that worked in the kitchen and flocked to that version of alpha male are only there because they liked that role. The majority of women who don’t would never even come to this hippie camp.

    Just as a thought, what if there was guy in the camp that decided he wasn’t going to work, but wanted first spoils because he was bigger then everyone else. What if he just too what he wanted. What if other men decided to side with this ‘alpha’ because it meant they got some of his benefits by enforcing his way, while those that did get alpha’s favor were forced into labor. What if the women decided it was best to sleep with alpha, if he wanted them, because no one else would rape her if she had his protection. What if those women walked without protection because they knew alpha would send a war party against whoever messed with his women.

    I wouldn’t say his points aren’t 100% without merit, but his social experiment does not really reflect what life would be like if you remove our modern society.

    Ok. Then do it.

    #227945
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    Uintatherium
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    this article makes a couple of good points about human nature, but if fails to see that what works for 15 days does not work for society in general.

    All the hard working and women needing men is okay.

    But, trying to live without antibiotics, vaccines, modern medicine, modern agriculture is just an ilusion.

    Do you want to die at age 40 from pneumonia? Or from tetanus?

    The ideia of going back to a stone age civilization is an ilusion.
    Do you think 15000 people would survive in the forest WITHOUT TRUCKS BRINGING THE FOOD IN?

    Im sorry, but this is a fallacy, just like the one that says that in the “good old days” of “patriarchy” all was well between men and women.

    Well … I don’t ever plan to destroy civilization. I can’t. I’ll just live off the grid.

    Food For Thought: Most of the best soil on earth is now farmland. Living in the wilderness is harder than it once was.

    All the best wilderness is gone. They replaced it with cities.

    MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

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    Puffin Stuff
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    #icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

    #227972
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    Big Boss
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    “In regular society, you can work your ass off day in and day out, and you won’t get s~~~. In regular society the power isn’t given to the people who put in hard work – it’s handed down, and some little punk gets it, because his great, great, great, great grandfather worked to earn it in the past.”

    CapitAlism refuted

    lol, lets not forget that
    1. They were getting food trucks in thanks to capitalism.
    2. Food and first dibs on resources ended up being capitalistic. Bartering is also a function of capitalism and trade.

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    RoyDal
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    It is a great article. It repeats a lesson the Pilgrims learned to their cost in the first year of the Plymouth settlement: communism does not work!

    Now for a lighter note . . .

    Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

    #228053
    Uintatherium
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    Hmmm … some guys here hate capitalism.

    Whatever … I don’t really care about economics either way. I guess we’re all broz as long as we see feminism the same way

    MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

    #228063
    Big Boss
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    Barter is trade but not capitalism.

    It is true in capitalism, that the shareholders who may have done no work at all are entitled to the profit. Workers are exploited, by definition. CapitAlism is not the workers paradise, unless you considering having money equal to working.

    I said it was a FUNCTION of capitalism. Just like sound/hard money is simply a method of facilitation standardizing trade so bartering isn’t less awkward. Tell me do you know what the definition of capitalism is?

    All capitalism really means simply that YOU own and control your trading and goods and it is not controlled and distributed by the government. Nothing in that commune was really owned by the group.

    Someone in the leadership paid for the food trucks, the gas, and the service. It was distributed by the organizers first to the harder workers just like a normal free market capitalist country would.

    I’m amazed you can read the article that was so well written, makes accurate analysis, and STILL get the wrong conclusions. (Socialist normally have this problem. Seeing a problem but constantly misdiagnose the problem.) The author literally tells you why the differences were the way they were and related it to how emerging societies function. Your bias is leading you to the wrong conclusions.

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    And all I’m saying is your real problem is with the imbalanced power created by corporatism (legislation designed by corporations for corporations) and us workers getting bad compensation for our work. You want “power to the workers” returning?

    THERE IS A SOLUTION.

    You have got to go after our monetary policy which is giving workers the severe short end of the stick and corporations who can run on borrowing and debt massive political power. Namely go after fiat currencies and fractional reserve banking.

    Anything else and you are doing it wrong and screwing up the ability for people to trade and build personal wealth expediently. You are posting on the internet provided by a corporation, with a computer provided by a corporation, inside a home likely built by a company, with power provided by a corporation or company and complaining that the capitalism is the problem.

    Believe me if capitalism it was the problem you couldn’t do any of what you are doing now. You wouldn’t own the computer, the government would.

    #228077
    Big Boss
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    Then a question. How will you deal with such a society once it advances to the point where labor becomes less reliant on completion of tasks?

    Currently money is manipulated beyond its value, mal-invested in our economy because of central banking, fiat currency, credit expansion.

    You going to keep living like the Amish?

    #228083
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    Beer
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    Look bb, I’m saying power to the workers is not capitalism. Any gains from the enterprise go to the money guys. Labor is just a cost to be gotten at the cheapest rate. I’m sorry you can’t handle what capitalism is.

    What stops you from spending less than you earn and investing the difference? The beautiful thing about our system is you can become a partial owner of any company with publicly traded stock. I made over 1,000 bucks last quarter just for being invested in some businesses, and that amount is only going to go up as I continue to work hard, produce more than I consume, and put that extra money into investments rather than wasting it on dumb s~~~ like women, weed, or a big house and fancy cars.

    Capitalism empowers the workers more than any other system. If the government took control of all production and told everyone they would be getting a salary of 3,000 dollars a month regardless of what they do, I’d stop working immediately. If the government told me I had to work I’d go find the easiest, least stressful job I could and work as few hours as possible. Systems like that empower the lazy and the leeches, not the workers.

    This rainbow fest didn’t so much make me think of a grand social experiment as it made me think of my last camping trip. A few guys showed up with the campers and the food. The rest of us just tossed them some money for fuel and food. The same couple guys cooked every night because they enjoyed cooking, while the rest of us sat around drinking and playing horse shoes and crap. Sure I helped clean up and did a garbage run after dinner so we didn’t attract raccoons or bears at night time…but at the end of the trip it was the guys that did all the prep shopping and cooking that did 90% of the work.

    If this “experiment” went on long term you’d end up with the workers going off on their own so they didn’t have so much dead weight to pull, lazy people being kicked out, or lazy opting out soon as the initial supplies ran out and they realized it wasn’t just a giant weed filled hippy fantasy. Do a little research on Twin Oaks commune. Its a hippy commune that sells hammocks. If you don’t work, they kick you the f~~~ out…you don’t just end up with 10% of the population happily working and 90% being drunk/stoned hippies the other 10% happily supports. In the end the 10% supporting the other 90% would just end up becoming capitalists lol.

    #228088
    Big Boss
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    So you have no solution to your ideal set up apparently. That’s what I mean. You all know there is a problem and I give you credit for that, but your solutions are simply going to blow up in your face.

    It’s similar to you all want to be able to defend yourselves, but for some reason hate guns. So your solution to defend yourself is to take cartridges out of a guns, take away everyone else’s gun, and plan to just hit the primer with the cartridges in your hand hoping it will provide self defense. It’s retarded.

    You want to get rid of capitalism, meaning the fact you own your computer, because you want to get rid of corporate power and worker abuse. What?

    Well go after the way THEY abuse the system, not the system all of us use. I am not manipulating and exploiting your work. The hell reason am I going to give up my s~~~ or a portion of my s~~~ because your having a hard time with the cost of living expense.

    #228091
    Big Boss
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    If the government told me I had to work I’d go find the easiest, least stressful job I could and work as few hours as possible.

    F~~~ing 5 star quote.
    I f~~~ing call being a porn actor. God knows I am not going to get f~~~ed and not do some f~~~ing.

    #228095
    Big Boss
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    Pretty sure Beer totaled your argument on that. Why work hard in your system?

    #228098
    Big Boss
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    Have I offered a solution? I do know sincerely considering complaints is a step way before, creating a red scare.

    In a way yes, as whatever it is includes, will also blame capitalism. Already know whatever you have in mind is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

    Corporate power in government is a problem, so how do they attain such power? No legal mandated separation of economics and state.

    They are exploiting workers? Then make sure if a worker decides he wants to be employed he is paid with something concrete in value and not something that will simply fluctuate with inflation and expansion of credit in the market.

    #228100
    Beer
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    Beer, we’re discussing why working there seemed more rewarding than usual work, from the authors point of view.

    Probably because they were in the middle of a giant party with half naked drunk/stones sluts running around everywhere. When I go camping and spend 30 minutes doing dishes and walking the trash up to the dumpster after a whole day of hanging out swimming, fishing, drinking beers, playing horseshoes and shuffleboard, etc, that feels like a hell of a lot more rewarding day than a 12 hour shift and going home to some leftovers in the freezer…is there really any surprise there?

    His complaint is facilitated by capitalism, which is that the value of all contributions is indexed to a number which represents the percentage of shareholder claim to the to the fruits of your labor.

    Who cares…nothing stops you from becoming one of those shareholders, and nothing stops you from saying f~~~ shareholders and getting a job for a privately owned company, or starting your own business.

    Shareholder is a capitalist concept. I’m sorry if that offends you. CapitAlism exploits labor is a fact, not an opinion.

    Shareholder = partial owner. If you started up a landscaping business and at the end of the year had an extra 20,000 dollars profit…as the business owner you’d say f~~~ yeah and put it in your bank account no problem. Effectively its a company with 1 share that 1 person owns. Why should it be any different for companies that have more profits and multiple owners?

    Paying the going rate for a worker isn’t exploiting them. Yeah its kind of sad when businesses move abroad so they can pay 2 dollars a day to their workers and import their s~~~ right back to the town they just moved from…but at the end of the day being a communist wouldn’t fix that, higher import taxes would, and we could do that without being communists.

    F~~~ing 5 star quote.
    I f~~~ing call being a porn actor. God knows I am not going to get f~~~ed and not do some f~~~ing.

    I’m gonna be the stunt dick! I’m the guy with the little pecker they let the new girls try out anal and stuff with so she isn’t so scared about getting impaled by a monster!

    #228109
    Big Boss
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    Capitalists profit from the labor of others. I’m not making it up. Honest. Are you denying it is so?

    This what the author is complaining about. Why are you getting gonked out?

    Yeah, because someone has to start the service business, be responsible for legal action against it if something goes wrong to a customer, be on the hook of someone robs the company or the employees themselves steal because it was a bad hire, provide more than just a typical 40 hour workweek to keep it functioning, take ENORMOUS risks such as bankrupcy, business failure, and etc, compete every moment against other competitors who rather run you out of business if they can, and have the skills to have it functioning and running. So if you don’t have a kid to get help with more than a multiple man job, you can pay someone to help.

    Damn right you should have more compensation than the typical worker free of those stresses. No one would provide you a damn service because there would be no small businesses just MASSIVE CORPORATIONS.

    As long as the MONEY has real value, no one has problems and workers are happy. I’d rather be paid 1.25 in silver PER HOUR than 12-16 dollars an hour. Why? The money is legit and the cost of living will be better.

    I’m gonna be the stunt dick! I’m the guy with the little pecker they let the new girls try out anal and stuff with so she isn’t so scared about getting impaled by a monster!

    lol f~~~ my sides!

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