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[Vajra VarahaParticipant]

sidecar wrote:

I recommend the Book of Chivalry by Geoffroi de Charny, or The Book of the Order of Chivalry by Ramon Llull, or Cretien de Troyes’ treatise.

If you want to learn about chivalry, read from the guys who actually lived it. You’ll find it has almost nothing to do with women, but everything to do with fighting men.

Grumpy wrote:

FFS
Not this garbage again.
Look folks, chivalry is a code of conduct primarily for combat, ergo combatants. The un-unified and mostly uncoded (meaning not CANON) idea of “chivalry” is based in the belief of treating others in a decent manner before and after combatants are done fighting, which in turn gives the perception of “noble” lineage of and to the practitioners of “chivalry”

you both missed the target Im afraid.
And Im kind of surprised.

[sidecarParticipant]

Vajra Varaha wrote:

If you haven’t read “Gynocentrism” or “Chivalry” by Peter Wright, I recommend.

I recommend the Book of Chivalry by Geoffroi de Charny, or The Book of the Order of Chivalry by Ramon Llull, or Cretien de Troyes’ treatise.

If you want to learn about chivalry, read from the guys who actually lived it. You’ll find it has almost nothing to do with women, but everything to do with fighting men.

The problem is, women have intentionally confused courtly love for chivalry. Under the rules of courtly love, women are prizes to be wooed. Women like that idea.

Under actual chivalry, women are essentially property.

A chivalric knight wouldn’t think of mistreating a woman alone, but not for her own sake. He would refrain from affronting her out of respect for the knight to whom she belonged. An affront to her would be a disrespectful insult to him.

However… if a chivalric knight defeats another knight in honorable combat, then all that defeated knight’s possessions, his horses, his arms, his armor, and his woman, go to the victorious knight, to do with as he pleases. Today one could call it rape, but it was perfectly acceptable under the rules of chivalry, because how can one rape what one has already fairly won? And doubtless those fair noble damsels were all juiced up for their new alpha as well.

[Anonymous]

Chivalry is a word that is currently used to mean special treatment of women and it came from the courtly love of the troubadour for the female court. The men of court all went off to war and troubadour’s moved in and wrote love songs and seduced the women. Then when men returned from combat they were expected to act like the troubadours described love.

That’s why it is said that women invented chivalry. Women who require chivalry are users and show their poor personalities by expecting freebies from men because vagina.

[GrumpyParticipant]

FFS
Not this garbage again.
Look folks, chivalry is a code of conduct primarily for combat, ergo combatants. The un-unified and mostly uncoded (meaning not CANON) idea of “chivalry” is based in the belief of treating others in a decent manner before and after combatants are done fighting, which in turn gives the perception of “noble” lineage of and to the practitioners of “chivalry”
It’s documented historical roots are with the French Calvary 1100 -1200 AD, and even prior to that with the “noble habitus”, provides a thin veneer of civility to/for combatants and the treatment of non combatants who as a matter of bloody historical record were almost all MEN.
It is further defined by acting in accordance with the basic fundamentals of Noblesse Oblige;
1. Whoever claims to be noble must conduct himself nobly.
2. (Figuratively) One must act in a fashion that conforms to one’s position and privileges with which one has been born, bestowed and/or has earned
*** Note item one,as that demand has never changed in the slightest in 1000 years. It’s about him***
It is also heavily referenced and attributed to the Moors of the 700’s, Bushido, and various other “cultures and beliefs” that deal with ones own personal conduct towards self and others.
Regardless of verbiage the one common line in ALL chivalry related commentary is the duty and actions of a MAN and MEN only

It is not “courtly love” as demanded by woman and romantics. As they falsely claim that was introduced during Earths European Middle ages, when in fact this “current” interpretive form has its roots in Victorian Europe. Nor is it “Courtesy” as defined by the same people above, because that is how one is “supposed” to act in an acceptable manner in the “courts” of the various royalty, which in turn was further dictated by “religion”
It is not the “reformation” by the various “church’s” of any religion, as can be proven through history via the recorded acts and events perpetrated in the name of their “gods”. The only thing in common with chivalry is the “do unto others, as you would have done unto you” part (rarely practiced) of every damn religion.

The basis is simple.
As you treat with me, and I shall in turn do like wise with you. You have no right, nor reasonable expectation to be treated “nicely” when you deal with me with hostility and malice.
Today’s “chivalry” or lack thereof, is a direct and appropriate response.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Vajra VarahaParticipant]

Chivalry is the ultimate codified s~~~ test.
It even comes with instruction manuals…

[Vajra VarahaParticipant]

AFT wrote:

Chivalry like honour never had anything to do with women!

If you haven’t read “Gynocentrism” or “Chivalry” by Peter Wright, I recommend.

Chivalry was a feminist invention around 900AD.

[sidecarParticipant]

Vajra Varaha wrote:

Did women kill chivalry?

Women don’t know what chivalry even is.

Spoiler: It has fu​ck all to do with women.

[AFTParticipant]

Holding the door open for a woman has nothing to do with chivalry.

But expecting men to know which women are strong and independent feminists and which are not and somehow able to mind read their opposite behavioural expectations is nothing short of insane.

Not forgetting that if an alpha chad opens the door it’s a completely different gesture than when beta simp does it.

Women killed sanity, and any chance that men would want any part of them in the process.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[AFTParticipant]

I think there is a great misunderstanding of the meaning of chivalry.

Chivalry has absolutely nothing to do with women. It is in fact a code of honour among fighting men “knights” in a bygone era.

The only part of chivalry remotely related to women is where the strong and powerful shouldn’t abuse their power and target the weak including women.

However that does not include some blue haired scrag screeching at you and hindering you. You’re not meant to target the weak but if they confront you and are in your way, by all means run them over.

Chivalry like honour never had anything to do with women!

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant]

Vajra Varaha wrote:

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Chivalry keeps men on the gynoplantation, for ALL women.

Nothanky.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Branched offParticipant]

Chivalry ceased to get women what they wanted. They didn’t actually want to be cared for and treasured by those who were stronger. They really wanted to be stronger themselves. Chivalry just made up for their deficits. The vote let them get the state to give them strength through legislation firstly to compensate for what nature had not give them and then a lot more too. Who needs chivalry when men have to provide for you and protect you one way or another anyway by law?

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[Sky-☯️Participant]

Women never killed chivalry

Killing something would require a certain level of conscious thought, followed by action and at the least an understanding that once something is dead – it cannot come back to life.

But, they did ignore chivalry. And long enough to result in chivalry not dying but rather going into a coma. A low oxygen induced coma.

Unwilling to kill chivalry completely. There was a point in time when they put chivalry in a locked room, with only a minimal amount of food and water inside to sustain it. Along with some hope. And chivalry remained for a while, until it could not be sustained any longer and it could not escape from the room.

At one point, during a routine check years later, chivalry was found collapsed on the floor.

[Bob the BuilderParticipant]

Learn how to handle a weapon biatches, you killed chivalry and I’m glad it’s dead. Now you can die in a third world country just like countless men who died giving you all the rights you abuse.

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[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant]

Monk wrote:

Yes, there are men who are no good – but that’s not my problem.
As Spleefer says, don’t respond to distress rockets, because if you do, you are White Knighting and getting involved. Even if it’s at second or even third hand, you are involved and that’s not good.
Getting involved in other peoples domestic disasters never ends well.

Never get involved in others domestic disputes/arguments. Never. Do. NOT. Do. It.

You are not law enforcement. You also really have no idea what is totally going on. you have no idea who’s the bad guy here. you might be seeing who is now losing the fight. You may have no clue as to what, when, why, how, etc. The cops usually do not either, but they have authority to use more force than you do, and stop violence and keep the peace. you do not.

White Knights often end up dead. Attacked by both parties. Stay the fuch out of other peoples sh1t drama. This is opposite to not drawing attention to yourself. Don’t be a g-d idiot.

Coming to the aid of a woman who may have instigated the mess that’s now unfolding is outdated. Chivalry is dead. It deserves to ge dead given the state of women today. Second its sexist to assume she needs your help. We are told they are better than men in all things. Why in the movies we have 90 pound women kicking the ass of 250 pound men without breaking a sweat.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[iMickey503Participant]

Why is it that as men, we are to be blamed for the choices women make?

Even in far of places like Pakistan, where honor killings are the NORM, why is it that so many women have this to say rather then other? It’s very simple. You live in the Ghetto, you get treated like the ghetto.

Abeeha Farooqi (ابیھا فاروقی) (अबीहा फ़ारूक़ी), lives in Pakistan
Updated Nov 17, 2017
Thanks for this A2A.

People around the world have so many assumptions about Pakistan specially how women are oppressed in this land. I know you people are curious about if women in Pakistan are allowed to step out of their homes or not. I tell you, you people are totally unaware of the priviliges I get as being a women in Pakistan.

I am a working lady who has to travel almost 75 kms to reach her workplace. While travelling I always get a seat. Male travellers stand up to give me seat.

Buses stop in middle of the road if I stop them. Male citizens are totally deprived of this boon.

People are always polite to me. They always call me Baji (sister), beta (daughter), madam and last one, although I don’t like it much, khala (aunt). Everywhere I get a special treatment just because of me being a lady.

People are always ready to help. If I am carrying a heavy bag, people even strangers will provide me their help and take my bag from me and carry it for me. (That’s really relieving)

It’s always “ladies first”. If I have to pay utility bills or draw money from ATM I don’t have to stay in long queue. People, standing around, insist me to go first.

People around the globe think women in Pakistan are not allowed to work. What If I tell you, we Pakistani women enjoy special quotas in every other government and private jobs?

Pakistani women enjoy with paid maternity leaves and feasible work timings and in most of the cases pick and drop.

So many options, we have, to spend our time leisurely. There are fitness clubs, gyms, litrary societies, libraries, parks, clubs, swimming pools etcetera etcetera etcetra.

Women complain that chivalry is dead. But in case of Pakistan it’s not. Still men open car doors for their ladies, pay bills for them and a lot more.

_________—-____–

Boy, that sure sounds a lot like normal Men in society to me. Almost like.. GASP! This is normal behavior.

So what is this crap about rape Culture? How about we think about this for a second. If you don’t like your job? LEAVE. If you don’t like your Country, WALK AWAY. Everywhere I look, these women KNEW what they were doing.

Let me make this clear. Here in the West, if your daughter tells you a man offended her? Or a Woman complains about a man? That dude is going to get his ass beat. Why? Prison or Jail is the LOWEST DEMONSOMTOR of society. Even there, Cops, Clergy, Rapists, all these men get their dues. Even in a place like this, Male Values STILL permeate.

So how is it that in FREE society, these women who complain about this never seem to be able to catch this on a phone camera? Something almost all women have? The Majority of It? BULLS~~~!

Ask yourself as a man. Do you care that women have special privileges? NO. This was simply the NORM and it has always been. It was MEN who thought WOMEN should have these as they are in fact valued. Women have always been our mothers, and so much more. To think less of them, you would have to have seen them at their normal. But even in past time, women were very clear of protecting their place & privilege in society.

Enter Western Marxism & Feminism. And all of this went out the Window.

One can say that Privilege comes with responsibility. That at least in the West is no longer the case. In fact, many of the things that we as men have built is SOLELY for the Enjoyment of women and children. From the creature comforts, to the lavish markets and shops. To the modern conveniences that we have today.

Arguably, as men, WE have made it so good for women, they now wish to blame their own vices on MEN everywhere. This has been happening or over a 100 years solid. And it all came when it was women who were used as political pawns of others women and men.

I ask you? Where is the Oppression? If a women chooses to be outside of the mold, then she has every right to do so. BY HERSELF! But then, there is no longer the privilege given to her by society. This is the reason why I confirm that women do not seek equality, but dominance.

It’s not MEN that took away your rights and Privileges. Its WOMEN CLEARLY. You got what you asked for. You wanted to have the freedoms of men, that comes with responsibility.

No man walking around at the late hours has the notion that it is safe to do so alone. But for some reason, women seem to think that their privilege extends regardless of their actions.

If women are clearly so oppressed, why is it that women always seem to be asking for men for help that oppress them?

Every single thing that women have wanted? They have in the past asked a man for help. What is this women giving men in return? If she wants to be treated like a lady, you have the responsibility to act like one. This also means women have the responsibility to self regulate their own selves.

This has always been the issue. Women no longer feel any responsibility to the society that they exist in. They have taken each and every complaint they have about not having opportunities, and forget those opportunities were there because a MAN PUT THEM THERE.

Rarely do women self start their own empires solely with only themselves. In fact, I can’t name a SINGLE institution that is completely ran by women that does not seek MEN for help or guidance.

In fact, every position that women have tried to attain that I know of, has been done so in the footsteps of a man. Let this sink in..

The JOB that women is looking for? That was through MENS sacrifice to make sure that position is even available. Women never EARNED their right for those positions. Sure, many women have done their part. So we GIVE THEM privileges for what they have done. No normal man is going to look at Women health care or matritly rights as a bad thing. But then to ask to be put back in the same position, or expect that it will not hamper your career? Ridickulous.

I have recently looked at a list of 18 things that women site as oppression that is majority accepted:

This is from 2019!
by Megan Friedman, Jenny Hollander and Ineye Komonibo
Aug 9, 2019

Socks cost more for women. So. Gender inequality?
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WOMEN oppress themselves. Take a look.

— Mickey (@iMickey503) September 25, 2019

1. Women pay more for common household items than men do.
Shampoo, deodorant—even a 10-pack of socks—are among the many products that cost more for women, according to an analysis by Marie Claire.

2. Women make less money than their male counterparts.
Although the pay gap is narrowing, women in the U.S. working full- and part-time make 85 percent of what their male counterparts earn, according to the Pew Research Center. In other words, women would need to work an extra 40 days a year to make as much as men. It’s an even grimmer picture overseas: Women worldwide make 77 percent of the amount paid to men, according to a report from the United Nation’s International Labor Organization.

3. For black and Hispanic women, the pay gap is even worse.
Black women have to work 19 months to make what white men did in a year, according to the National Women’s Law Center. That number is even steeper for Hispanic women, the center found.

4. Women are underrepresented in government.
Although women make up nearly 51 percent of the U.S. population, only 25 percent of the Senate and 23 percent of the House is comprised of women, which—fortunately or unfortunately—makes the current Congress the most diverse in American history. Worldwide, just 24 percent of all national parliamentarians were female as of February 2019, according to the U.N.

5. Women are the minority in the executive suite.
At Fortune 500 companies, women currently account for just 25.4 percent of board members and 6.6 percent of CEOs, according to Fortune. Studies also found that women CEOs of Fortune 500 companies have significantly shorter tenures than male CEOs; women at the top tend to stay in their positions for about 44 months on average compared to the 60 months that men do.

There are, however, some positive changes happening: 27 percent of all Standard & Poor 500 board seats are now occupied by women; CNBC reported that Dallas-based online car auction site Copart added its first female board-member in July, marking 2019 as the first ever year where every S&P company has at least one woman on its board.

Never mind the fact that, per CNBC, no women cracked the list of the top five highest paid CEOs in the stock market index.

6. Women are also the minority in the news media.
The Women’s Media Center’s 2019 edition of The Status of Women in the U.S. Media reported that though women comprise 41.7 percent of the overall news media workforce, they aren’t being compensated appropriately; gendered pay disparities are still observable in newsrooms of major outlets like the Associated Press, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal, with men earning substantially more than women.

7. And they’re the minority in the tech sector, too.
Currently, only 25 percent of American computing jobs are held by women, disclosed Dream Host in its annual State of Women in Tech address—and that’s actually down substantially from previous years. It can be attributed, in part, to the simultaneously declining number of female college students planning on entering the tech sector; of the women enrolled in universities across the country, just 20 percent were studying engineering, and only 18 percent were computer science minors.

The turnover rate of female employees in tech is also disturbingly high. Whereas only 17 percent of men in the industry leave their company at a given time, 41 percent of women in tech resign from their positions, with 56 percent of that group leaving mid-career.

8. When women enter male-dominated industries, the pay decreases.
As women make the cross over into workspaces mostly occupied by men, often in search of higher salaries with more benefits, the opposite actually happens—the average pay for the industry tends to drop significantly over time, confirms The New York Times.

9. Female entrepreneurs receive less funding and investments.
Getting funding for a startup is hard enough, but sexism and gender inequality often complicate starting one’s own business even further. According to findings from All Raise, a nonprofit organization dedicated to the success of female entrepreneurs, only 11 percent of venture capitalists are women. Of the existing VC firms that exist, 71 percent don’t have a single female partner, and only 7 percent have equal gender representation.

Women interested in running their own startup usually meet difficulties when it comes to securing the capital, and All Raise predicts that the number of female VCs will continue to plateau and possibly even decrease over time if nothing is done to change the current industry.

10. Women still shoulder more of the household burden.
Despite the fact that women are more educated and more employed than ever before, they’re still tasked with the majority of household duties. Forbes reported that 54 percent of women take maternity leave, while just 42 percent of men take time away from their jobs. Additionally, women are taking 10 times as much temporary leave to be with their newborns than men do, often saddling them with additional financial burdens. Women are also more likely to work from home, look after sick kids, or even quit their jobs completely to be caretakers.

11. Women are far more likely to be the victims of human trafficking.
In a January 2019 article, NPR reported on the disturbing recent uptick in human trafficking. Using data from an annual report conducted by the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime (UNODC), the study found the number of girls forced into trafficking has risen exponentially, most frequently for sexual exploitation.

Sexual exploitation remains the most common form of human trafficking; forced labor isn’t far behind.

12. Female soldiers face rape and harassment.
This year, in a Smithsonian study conducted in conjunction with American military newspaper Stars and Stripes, 66 percent of female service members reported experiencing sexual harassment or sexual assault—that number is way up from the 27 percent that the Defense Department reported just 4 years ago in 2015.

13. Women overall are at a greater risk of rape and domestic violence.
The National Domestic Violence Hotline reports that females ages 18 to 24 and 25 to 34 generally experienced the highest rates of intimate partner violence (IPV). Eighty-one percent of these women (who may have experienced rape, stalking, or physical violence by an intimate partner) reported significant short- or long-term impacts such as post-traumatic stress disorder symptoms and injury.

14. Retired women are twice as likely as retired men to live in poverty.
As women make less money but live longer, a clear issue presents itself: The longer a woman is on earth, the more money she needs to have in order to survive. Around three out of seven women who want to retire by age 67 will seriously struggle with saving, says CBNC. Survey results from Aon, a global risk, retirement, and health consulting company, show that most women have an average of about 7.6 times their salary saved by that age when they really need to save 11.6 times what they make yearly.

15. Women of all ages are, in fact, more likely than men to live below the poverty line.
Across the U.S., 15.5 percent of women live in poverty compared with 11.9 percent of men, according to a report from the Institute for Women’s Policy Research. That number worsens for Black, Hispanic, and Native American women. Worldwide, the majority of the more than 1 billion people living in poverty are women, according to the U.N.

16. Women in Hollywood aren’t given the same opportunities as the men in the industry.
Behind the scenes, women working in Tinseltown make up only a small portion of the workforce; according to the New York Film Academy’s 2018 Gender Inequality in Film Infographic, the ratio of men to women working on films is 5 to 1. There are seven times as many men writing film scripts as there are women, and women only account for 11 percet of directors in Hollywood across genres.

17. And they certainly aren’t paid the same.
Back in 2018, the film All the Money in the World made headlines, but not for the reasons one would expect. It was revealed that Mark Wahlberg made $5 million to do necessary reshoots for the movie while his co-star Michelle Williams only received $625,000. Shocking, but not at all uncommon in Hollywood; Forbes reported that actresses earned only about 35 cents on the dollar compared to their male counterparts in the industry.

18. Despite being as successful as male athletes, women in sports still face gender inequality.
The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) studied sports coverage and found that there were significant differences in the way that female athletes and their games were discussed in the sports media. Coverage of women in sports, says the organization, is often dominated by references to appearance, age, or family life—men are depicted as powerful, independent, dominating, and valued as athletes.

Besides gendered conversations by sports pundits, female athletes are still trying to fight against the wage gap that exists in the sports world. Most notably, the United States Women’s Soccer team recently filed a lawsuit against the U.S. Soccer Federation (USSF) alleging gender discrimination. Despite winning more games and bringing in more revenue than the U.S. Men’s team, Megan Rapinoe and her comrades on the USWNT earn less than half of what the men do.

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[sidecarParticipant]

CombatRoll wrote:

Be a KNIGHT

Be a DRAGON

Branched off wrote:

knights are members of the gentry and should take no insult without offering to fight the insulter.

When women talk about chivalry, what they mean is that limp dick courtly love bullsh​it. That’s not chivalry.

Chivalry is a code between warriors in which women barely have any place, and the place they do have is essentially that of property. Example: under chivalry, when a knight bests another knight, he gets the defeated knight’s armor, his horse, and his woman, “to do with as he pleases.”

[GrumpyParticipant]

Meh..
“Romance” is just a part of the never ending dance of personal resource and business management.
One can look at the individual personal aspect and historical “species” aspect and see it clearly when one puts aside emotions.
Regardless of circumstance of the relationship, it has always been men taking or trading economic/personal responsibility for women with additional obligations.
Arranged marriages = economic alliance between families, sure there are other factors however it always boils down to “riches”.
Dowry = One man paying another to take a woman off his plate of responsibility, this also boils down to economics.
Dating = A man paying to possibly gain “exclusive” access to her vagina that he will never be 100% he is actually getting.
Marriage = Same as all of the above, just adding additional costs over time, with the likelihood of actually being stripped of ones wealth (1/2 is just the opening cost).
So as a man, if I buy her roses, pay for her meals and entertainment, provide shelter and protection, and sacrifice on her behalf unreservedly and without complaint I am a “romantic”. If I dont, I’m just another undeserving unromantic azzhole. Nothing economic there folks, right?

As with “chivalry” (the code of conduct between combatants), “courtesy” (the code of acceptable polite interaction in the “royal” court), the definition of “romance” has been bastardized to suit something other than its original intent. Honestly I have no idea what the original intent of that word is aside from the guilt associated with it.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

everyday I see that same sad chumps as well.
yesterday, spotted one tying HER shoes! The pu$$y beggar bent down and started tying her shoe.
who says chivalry is dead? ha haha
Went to the county office which is routine for me. Everytime they hire someone there, they start off all slim and smiling. Within 6 months they are 50lbs heavier and breathing heavy. County Clerks are FAT ASS slow moving hippos bro. Mad cow disease.
And the one token Male that works there woth them He held out for a year or two but now hes a fatsh!t too and no doubt emasculated to the gills, infibulated and infantilized daily. Poor dumb fvcker

The fatter you are the more estrogen you have. All that extra fat on a guy acts like estrogen, its an estrogen mimicking substance. Just like goddam soy.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

everyday I see that same sad chumps as well.

yesterday, spotted one tying HER shoes! The pu$$y beggar bent down and started tying her shoe.

who says chivalry is dead? ha haha

Went to the county office which is routine for me. Everytime they hire someone there, they start off all slim and smiling. Within 6 months they are 50lbs heavier and breathing heavy. County Clerks are FAT ASS slow moving hippos bro. Mad cow disease.

And the one token Male that works there woth them He held out for a year or two but now hes a fatsh!t too and no doubt emasculated to the gills, infibulated and infantilized daily. Poor dumb fvcker