Young MGTOW: a loser going his own way? Or taking responsibility?

[CaracalParticipant 34]

Hello fellow men living the MGTOW philosophy. The time has come to stop lurking around and participate on the forums. I noticed a trend of shaming young men that go their own way. I am one of those young men and here is my perspective on being MGTOW and choosing to incorporate the philosophy into my life.

Let’s get to the story. I am a 22 year old guy. Currently living with my dad. No woman in my life and a virgin. Had a girlfriend a while ago so not entirely clueless. you know the deal. Stereotypical loser and I am proud of it.

So with this profile it seems logical for a young man to want to identify as a MGTOW. People might think you wouldn’t be able to get any or be gay. so you tell them you are a mgtow, as an excuse for your shortcomings.

But those are all assumptions made by other people. Some of them publish them into well crafted articles. And I am grateful that they criticize and try to shame young MGTOW. It allows me to think about my life and philosophy, about what it means to become or be a man. what it means to be me.

So what has defined me to become the guy I am today?

I have grown up in a traditional family. My dad being married for the second time after being f~~~ed over by his first wife. He maried my mom who was younger than him and had a long lasting happy marriage. (I am adopted but they are my parents because they raised me.) My biological mom was too busy f~~~ing around with her drugs dealing boyfriend. My mom (The woman who adopted me and raised me as her own) died of cancer a few years ago. My parents were amazing they cared for eachother in everything. I was lucky to witness real love and see the true meaning of the marriage vows being held from both sides.

I have always been that kid who went his own way did his own thing. I played with technology, was outside riding bikes doing fun stuff. I picked up some hobbies along the way. Developed a passion for extreme sports and computers. I wasn’t that social I loved solitude. But I still had many friends. unlike them I didn’t chase pussy or feel the need to do so. I had seen them got heartbroken by girls all the time. I had way too much fun to bother. I chased the wind and speed.

Women did notice me. I just didn’t like the ones that noticed me. But once I turned 18 it started to feel like I needed to find a girl like all my friends did. So I did a few years later. Had some kind of a short relationship and got dumped. Little did I know why. The excuse of: I don’t feel it anymore was skillfully used after consultation with the hive. Basically I had gone from pasionate, I don’t give a s~~~ type of guy to a beta simp mangina in a few months. I used to travel to different cities and meet lots of interesting people through my shared passion for extreme sports. That passion had gone when I was with her and I realise that it attracted her. She was not like me. She was serious with education and trying to fit into boxes staying inside the house. I on the other hand was actively getting out of boxes and seeking adventure. Most of the time I am outside. So after breaking up I started doing that again and I had never been happier.

I didn’t feel the need to find another girl after that experience but somehow they find you. So a while ago another one comes along and she almost got me. I consciously gave her a chance. I started to doubt myself and the stress came back again, once she started to do the usual presenting a treat and then pulling it away. At the same time I was finding out about MGTOW philosophy and learning from all the men on here. So I regained my selfworth and claimed it back. I gave the silent treatment. She was constantly flaking and busy so I had my reasons to leave her alone. Besides that she wanted me to completely change. Didn’t like me to be around other girls and got surprised when I got upset when she went on a holiday with a friend and ended up with him and two other guys in the hotel room just sleeping in the same bed. She knew I didn’t like it. But I still made all textbook mistakes when I started seeing her. So I have only myself to blame. lesson learned.

These experiences were enough for me. I realised there was some work that had to be done. I had to accept myself for who I am and what I value. I am someone who seeks wisdom and new ideas. I love to create and fix things. I also value freedom and solitude. I love to live a life in childlike wonder. What I do not value. conforming to anyone elses standards on how to live my life. Worshipping and chasing pussy. Getting a job that makes you feel dead inside, getting an expensive oversized house, starting a family have kids.

So for me being MGTOW at the age of 22 is about finding myself and realising my full potential. It doesn’t stop there, I have to achieve it because it is who I am. A MGTOW is just that: a man going his own way and achieving that life he envisions for himself. Be it with or without a woman as the discussion seems to turn into lately. So to any other young guy that feels insecure about being MGTOW and not having much experience like me. Claim it! It is who you are accept that. Do not let anyone else tell you that you can’t because of some reason they value. Who are they? But do respect them and reflect their criticism to strengthen yourself. Go your own way.

This became a bit of a long text and I haven’t said everything I wanted to say. If I find the time I will post some updates on what I am up to and maybe inspire others. Well thank you for taking the time to read my essay 🙂

[RoyDalParticipant]

Welcome!

By the way, given the statistics on STDs, I don’t blame anyone for staying celibate.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[CaracalParticipant 34]

Thank you Roydal. to be honest I wasn’t done yet. But my phone posted the topic already. So I will finish it right now on my computer.

[xlrsnbrgParticipant 1786]

Someone on this forum said that MGTOW eat shaming like candy. It used to bother me too. In school it was “You need to learn how to talk to girls”. High school version: “You need to get laid”. College: “You need to find a girlfriend”. Grown up version: “You need to get married, settle down and start thinking about having kids”.

All bad advice, as a man doesn’t need to do any of that. When I was young I was actually buying it. Later I didn’t, but it made me angry. Now I ignore them and I don’t care what they say about what I “need” to do.

Here’s the MGTOW version: Figure out what you really need. That’s usually food, shelter, medical care and a source of income. Then set some life goals for the things you want. Prioritize, plan and work on getting there. Have fun along the way.

Edit:
You might find Stoicism interesting: http://99u.com/articles/24401/a-makers-guidebook-9-stoic-principles-to-nurture-your-life-and-work

And also the following material: http://demellospirituality.com/awareness/30.html (just that post, I don’t know anything about the other content on that website)

A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)

[xlrsnbrgParticipant 1786]

Now I see your full post. Great intro! Welcome.

A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)

[Capslok SpelczechParticipant 108]

Welcome. My first thought is, you are very lucky to have seen a reasonable male/female relationship. If you have a good baseline, you will have the visual acuity for spotting female bulls~~~ that it took many of us much longer to develop. Second thought is, you’re very wise at a very early age. That points to being unusually observant. Observation and patience are classic male virtues, and coupled with focus and discipline, I think you would be able to achieve whatever goal you set for yourself. Good luck, welcome, and I’ll see you on the summit.

"Higgins: Magnum, feed the lads, would you? There are steaks in the freezer. [Magnum makes an excited face] Very well, you can have one too."

[Anonymous 0]

Welcome home, Caracal
Jump in. I look forward to your posts.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Welcome, great intro.

I had a conversation with my high school daughter not too long ago. She was being pressured by her friends to do something. Nothing bad, just typical teenage crap. I told her that people will try to influence you to do things. And that you need to understand that if you can’t say no to someone, then they are your boss. And you don’t need a 15 year old girl as a boss. The only two people you don’t get to say no to are your mom and dad, and in a few years that will change.

Good for you for not having any bosses in your life other than yourself. You need to get a girlfriend and get married? Uh, no, you need to do what YOU want to do with your life. You only get one of them, you get to live it on your terms.

Order the good wine

[HitmanParticipant]

welcome caracal,
just one thing ,
you are NOT A LOSER.
strike that thought from your mind!
what have you lost ?
i want to shake your hand and then smack you upside the head for thinking you are some kind of loser..
and i mean that with a spirit of brotherly love,
not to hurt you in ANY way..but to help wake you up just a little bit more….
.
look, at 22 you have a long and awesome life ahead of you .
that makes you a WINNER in my book.
i raise my morning coffee to you my friend !
Welcome !

[SolidParticipant 7520]

Welcome brother !
You are not a loser, you are free, people often will try to make use of shame language to make you get back to the plantation, back into the matrix, but now you are free. Take your everyday red pill dose, and everything will be fine

[Nathan R. JessepParticipant 1102]

Loser? You sound like a lucky ass motherf~~~er to me. Keep it up!

[Anonymous 54]

Welcome Caracal!

Please Man, and I say this to all the younger guys, do not determine your self worth by wether women are attracted to you are not. Do not let them make you feel like a loser.They are simply not part of the equasion.
Some times in life we win, sometimes we lose. But it has nothing to do with a females cold heart.

[MGTOW_MedicParticipant 184]

Without making any generalization fallacies here, it is pretty observable in our society that self-dependance, rational self-interest, and intellectualism are very much disliked and disregarded. We seem to live in an era of anti-intellectualism and anti-responsibility. Anything that smells like a harsh truth is immediately buried in self deceit.
Ironically, this is real rebellion, the Will to Power. The ubermensch of Nietzsche was the man that accepted his failures humbly and quietly and worked his ass off to ascend out of his current station, in life, to something much better. A lazy society that chooses comfortable illusions and pipe dreams would of course demonize such an ambitious will. Steel yourself.

When I was in high school all the guys getting F’s were beating women off with a stick. None of that impressed me. My cousin had women and championships from powerlifting, but no high school diploma. To this day he leaps from temp job to temp job.

My friend, look to the cave analogy of Plato (I know, it’s way over used) When the man comes back into the cave, after seeing the beauty of the world outside of it, The people, entranced by the shadows on the wall taunt him, call him names, and dislike him.

Welcome to MGTOW!

MGtOW_Medic - EMT - P, Firefighter Lvl 2, Hazmat Ops

[Anonymous 3]

Welcome Caracal.
Your intro shows a balanced, intelligent, and wise young man. It says everything about this gynocentric society that you could ever be classified as a loser.

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Just because society deems you a loser for not following the norm of becoming a slave in this gynocentric plantation, doesn’t make you a slave.

As somebody’s signature here said: “Loser? What exactly have I lost? A wife/girlfriend? Not much then.”

No f~~~s given.

Watch the series of The Zen of ZFG by Turd Flinging Monkey if you haven’t already. Its pretty parallel to what you have said here.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

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