Young Men Saying "No" to College

[QuellParticipant 2538]

The culture of feminism is not just something that is made up or hearsay on the internet. Young men, who are very much blue pill, are now starting to wake up to the reality that they truly are not wanted and are the enemy of the liberal elite.

College is a giant scam anyways. To be $100,000+ in debt upon graduation only to realize that your job prospects are slim and you will be in debt most of your life is ridiculous. Unless you get a STEM degree it really isn’t worth the price anymore.

Trade schools are definitely the way to go for the common man. Learn a viable craft like plumbing, electrical, construction, diesel mechanic or HVAC and write your own ticket. You get to work with your hands and work without much restrictions. Or start your own business and go your own way.

I like how the article touched on some who decided not to pursue money but rather live simple lives as barbers, bartenders, butchers or truck drivers.

Of course women are going to college more than men these days. It’s easy to get that gender studies or interpretative dance degree than flirt your way into whatever job you please upon graduation. I can’t tell you how many “psychology degree women” walked right into ad agencies, law firms or financial institutions without one lick of formal business education.

Others say the campus environment has become testy, even hostile, toward men. “You definitely get the sense you are the problem,” said Maxwell. “One woman once told me that she could use statistics to determine how many of my friends were rapists.”

He believes the “cleansing of boy behavior” in elementary and secondary schools and boys’ more independent learning style all discourage traditional college classroom work. Date rape prevention programs, although well-intentioned, also scare men away from campuses, Shelley said. The programs “welcome young men to college by essentially telling them that they are potential rapists,” Shelley said.

Men saying “no thanks” to college

[MGTOW_MikeParticipant 6253]

University is the biggest running scam in history, selling students the illusion that they will learn something. The elite own these universities and laugh all the way to the bank while students rack up mountains of debt. University is NOT a place to actively learn, it is just one big memory game. You need to get your hands dirty and work ON THE JOB in order to learn things.

I have learnt so much by Googling information and conducting experiments to build up my knowledge in Electronics Engineering. Going to university, sitting in a boring long lecture and expecting to learn something, is just denial.

A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.

[Anonymous 6]

I agree, but most students don’t go into trade schools because they don’t know anything about it. The schools are pushing college and college is not for everybody. Some people excel at fixing cars, building houses, plumbing and electrical work, driving trucks. Those are important jobs to our society and many of the people in those jobs today are getting old. The next generation has to be trained now and it seems like they aren’t. Hell you can make great money being a welder because it is such a high demand for them.

College is useless if you’re not going into a field where jobs are readily available. People need to stop getting degrees in dumb s~~~ like gender studies and women’s history. Go into business, education, healthcare, technology, engineering. Those are the places where there will be jobs.

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

Colleges are institutions for social reeducation and liberal brainwashing. Debt or no debt, steer the f~~~ clear of them.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[TuneoutParticipant]

Quell wrote:

Trade schools are definitely the way to go for the common man. Learn a viable craft like plumbing, electrical, construction, diesel mechanic or HVAC and write your own ticket. You get to work with your hands and work without much restrictions. Or start your own business and go your own way.

An added benefit is the lack of females in these areas too so you’ll be working around men mostly.

Anonymous wrote:

Hell you can make great money being a welder because it is such a high demand for them.

I know welders in Fort McMurray Alberta that make as much an hour as any good lawyer but with only a four year apprenticeship under their belts and no debt!

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[GoodNutParticipant 56]

I’m lucky that where I came from you can get free college education (one shot only up to Bachelors) but it’s definitely not for everyone and WAY TOO MANY guys blow it on some arts or humanities crap that’s 80% full of women with no employability at the end of it. They’re just making up what would be vacant space to inflate the college’s goverment funding based on head count.

A trade (Electrical, Mechanical, Plumbing) is a better option for the vast majority of men who are naturally more hands on than the style of liberal college education. In many cases if you feel you want or need a piece of parchment, a firm base in those trades is still an option to get into STEM at college level with a raft of strong practical experience behind you that will aid the passage.

I’ve often wished that I’d gone and done a trade first rather than go to college. I’d definitely have a more active and fulfilling career I think.

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

MGTOW_Mike wrote:

University is the biggest running scam in history, selling students the illusion that they will learn something. The elite own these universities and laugh all the way to the bank while students rack up mountains of debt. University is NOT a place to actively learn, it is just one big memory game. You need to get your hands dirty and work ON THE JOB in order to learn things.

I have learnt so much by Googling information and conducting experiments to build up my knowledge in Electronics Engineering. Going to university, sitting in a boring long lecture and expecting to learn something, is just denial.

I heard one robotics student once say that he picked up at least 80% of the useful knowledge he started off with at the college robotics club. He’s chief engineer now. Lectures are but a frill.

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22520]

The white men are walking away from the scam and the women and minorities are demanding college for free.

To those denied college are forced to pay for everyone else to go to college.

This will not end well.

The intellectual class of the U.S. do not realize how much they are hated by the working class of this nation.

[GregB0Participant]

MGTOW_Mike wrote:

University is NOT a place to actively learn

A military, college or trade school (certificate program or 2 year degree) education gives you information that allows you to learn a specific set of tasks. These skills and abilities are associated with a career that is within a specific job market.

A 4 year degree gives you basic knowledge and understanding within a specific academic field. This knowledge does not often directly translate into a skill set, but rather provides the background to begin work within the associated career field. 4 year degree institutions are aware of this shortcoming however and are introducing programs and opportunities to give students hands-on-training.

Knowledge, skill and ability are different things. Education at all levels helps with learning, developing and implementing each in different proportions. All are important and all are found in learning settings.

A common saying in higher education is that you learn and train for jobs that have not yet been created. Cutting edge job fields (Healthcare, Engineering and Technology – thanks Venom) often offer the best hope for immediate employment after graduation and typically require more formal education than 2 years to allow for continued promotion. Traditional academic fields (Management, Political Science, History, Literature, etc.), do not offer as many opportunities for fast hiring and quick promotion unless you continue learning and going to school.

This does not mean that a 4 year degree is for everyone, just as it does not mean that everyone should have some type of vocational or technical 2 year training. As Venom also mentioned, researching the niche jobs (Welding, Engine Repair) that are in demand is another way to ensure that you are not in debt, but you must do a cost benefit analysis. Manual job employment continue to drop because they are being automated in ever increasing industries and job fields.

Know that I am not disagreeing about the hiring of women into jobs over men who are better qualified and have more experience. This is a factor of current culture and I would offer an entirely different conversation point.

I do hope that I offered a different viewpoint as to why a man would desire, and needs, to attend college, get a degree or several, and then have the resources to go his own way.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[GregB0Participant]

Faust For Science wrote:

The white men are walking away from the scam and the women and minorities are demanding college for free.

You are absolutely right Faust and it will indeed not end well.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[ScarberianMPTGLParticipant 3286]

It’s no surprise when you think about it, spending tens or hundreds of thousands to go to a place where everyone thinks and tells you on a constant basis that you’re essentially a rapist? And even if you can manage to get past all that it can easily be all for nothing if you p~~~ off the wrong broad.

I, Lelouch Vi Britannia, command you, all of you, to Go Your Own Way!!

[Ice-JiubParticipant 491]

I enjoyed college, even though I left with no real job prospects. The only way I would’ve gotten some form of employment would’ve been to work my way up and lecture. I studied what I loved, and got that out of it at least. I was also one of the lucky ones, graduating just as the first stirrings of all this “rape culture” bulls~~~ started.
A better investment was getting my truck licenses. I can work part time and easily support myself this way.

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

Most college classes consist of sitting in an auditorium listening to the professor read from a power point slide. Just think, you are paying $300+ per credit hour for that.

[BalthazarParticipant 722]

i was fairly accomplished academically on through highschool and it was pushed on me to pursue advanced courses and pursue college. i remember it was the perception that only the underachieving students should go to trade/vocation school.

now that i know better, i will encourage my kids to learn a trade/vocation before pursuing a degree unless they have a specific career plan that would justify the expenditure for university.

even if you pursue a stem career, someone working a trade could earn a comparable yearly income unless you choose a particular field and location that would allocate you higher pay for your type of work/study.

This body holding me is a reminder of my own mortality. Embrace this moment. Remember, we are eternal and all this pain is an illusion.

[Anonymous 1]

The one thing I have been noticing is the lack of knowledge and ability of the younger guys coming into the trades. I truly believe this has a lot to do with no father being at home. I remember as a kid working on lawn mowers,Cars,motorcycles. And grandfather and uncle fixed electronics. Mostly cb’s and ham radios.

It just means we need to be a better mentor to the young men coming into the trades.

[Chris1234Participant 353]

I did a bachelor degree (IT) and to be honest I learnt more watching youtube videos and studying at mcdonalds using their free wifi. University gave me a broad understanding but no in depth knowledge in a particular area. All I really got was an idea of what field I wanted to persue. My debt was only small as I still lived at home whilst studying. I dont think anyone has ever double checked if I had a degree when going for a job. I would never spend more than 30k on an IT related degree. I had no chance of getting a job when I finished my degree so I focused on a particular area and studied my ass off for about 6 months whilst working a factory job. Once I had enough saved I basically worked for nothing on a real project for a few months. This gave me experience and a referral. My first paying job they didnt give a s~~~ about a degree. They cared about the fact I could demonstrate a past project and explain how I created it. You’re better off doing a cheaper course studying something specific and getting some work experience on a project (even if its voluntary), in IT if you know your s~~~ and you have real life project experience they won’t care as much about the degree.
My 2 cents! Im sure its different for other industries.
If you finish studying with a 100k debt and cant get a good paying job your life will be difficult. Id only run up those debts if I had family/friends in the associated industry who could guarantee me a job.

[DirtBikeManParticipant 535]

Health care, nursing, x-ray tech, resp therapists, surgical tech, and many others are still good opportunities. Its kind of weird and counter intuitive but as a male nurse I get very little crap directed at me by females. In a place (hospital) dominated by women, they love having guys around, they understood long ago that all female departments are toxic places, and i see this as a true-ism, they dont play well with other women. The guys are a welcome addition to the team, if you are willing to stay a worker drone, and don’t have aspirations to be in nursing management. And that suits me fine, I make good money, work three days a week, and dont have to manage people. A skilled Surgery nurse, is a valuable asset to the hospital. I guess nursing and other health care jobs are STEM. My job as a surgery nurse is part ER nurse(skills that save lives) and part technician (skills that make the machines work that save lives). I like doing stuff, I don’t like sitting in a cubicle. It not for everyone, but i love my job and the lifestyle.

The most important thing you can do is ask yourself, what do I really want out of life. Really think about it, and always be true to yourself. Then Do it.

[RealityBitesParticipant 2198]

I dunno…I graduated with 2 STEM degrees completely debt free…College is what you make of it.
Spent 3 years at a community college, transferred in, always had a job on the side, would take time off and work 2 jobs to save up money for it.

Never took a loan or a grant.

Other people were getting a degree in Art or Psychology or Sociology….paying for their school with a loan from Uncle Sam…and getting a worthless degree.

The women were on the hunt for a husband….only had a handful of women in my Math and Physics classes…mostly very ugly ones at that, and none of them were very good at it.

[The CaptainParticipant 133]

Quell wrote:

Unless you get a STEM degree it really isn’t worth the price anymore

Even with a STEM degree, i know lots of people with related degrees earning less or the same than a waiter, doing low tasks compared with their supposed education level. Eventually some of them have to look for other jobs better paid or more rewarding in other aspects.

Those degrees worth the price and effort: If you have your luggage ready to go you are motivated and good, if you live in an area with a high demand, if you have a job granted by your contact network, or if you need it to set up a business related.

Any other option is a lottery.

Nowadays it’s better paid the specialization than the education background, if somebody can find and solve problems (that’s the real meaning of a job or business), money will come faster that he ever thinks to his pocket.

In a lot of universities they are not showing their students how to solve problems or how to think by themselves with a fully open mind.

They are selling books, selling ideologies, selling social positions, selling used thoughts, selling dreams, etc… most of them are sellers.

Who are their main customers now and why are they changing some things?

And what happened to some of their old customers? A great amount of them i’d say. They went almost broke (or their parents) or had to work 10 years to get the dream paid. But hey! They have a degree, that’s a ten steps jump in the social position.

Now the new customers didn’t notice that old few flaws, and keep doing the same.

Things are changing now in other aspects, millions of mediocre people are doing what they want and expressing themselves everywhere (i am one of them) and it creates trends, those trends can change the points of views of an entire generation, or several, and this is what’s happening.

I express my point of view here, because i don’t need followers but i like to exchange opinions.

Others invade the social networks, the media, the academias, the streets, like a virus and are yelling very loud what they think, what they are indoctrinated to do or maybe they are just yelling to bring some attention, the fact is that it works, and we are seeing now the results and how it affects in our personal life.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Just don’t go to automotive or culinary school because I know some who did and got 11.00 and hour jobs with big student loans.

They have to live with relatives to survive and work 50 hrs per week.

Get someone you know to get you into an apprentice position.

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