You don’t have to be straight…

[rironParticipant 45]

So the lgbt lobby would like you to think that you’re “born gay”, and that there is a “gay gene”. (Milo Yiannopolous expresses this better than I can: https://youtu.be/symNG931L68?t=1m31s)

TLDR your sexuality is part nature, part nuture, part desire/willpower

I started off straight, then figured being bi was more fun, so I became bi. But right now, if you’re a straight male, you’re pretty much screwed – child support, domestic law, gender dynamics, etc. So whenever I thought about women, I thought about all the horrible things they could do to me, and eventually, I was no longer attracted to three-dimensional women (still attracted to two-dimension women, although not as young as my profile pic would suggest). So I’m gay now (or still bi, depending on how you define sexuality.) And although the motivations vary, this kind of story isn’t unusual. (http://8ch.net/cuteboys/res/239174.html)

So what the hell does this have to do with MGTOW? Basically, when the religious right says that it’s possible to change your sexuality, they’re right. What they’re wrong about is which direction you should be going – the idea that it’s better to be straight than gay is a little bit outdated.

So to start you guys off:

-If you want to cross the 2D – 3D line:

http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-economics-of-waifu.html

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=960528

-If you want to cross the XX – XY line:
(NSFW): https://media.8ch.net/cuteboys/src/1440732013887.jpg
http://8ch.net/cuteboys/res/239174.html

That’s not saying that each of these paths don’t have their own problems

-If you choose to get a waifu, you will be judged. Although that’s not too different from MGTOW I suppose.
-If you choose to go to homo route, be warned: people will be afraid of you. The moment you mention that you’re gay, people will blurt out as quickly as they can “don’t worry, I won’t judge” because they’re afraid that god’s going to send them to hell for being a racist sexist homophobic bigot. Easiest way I’ve found to deal with this is either make “homophobic” jokes or use “homophobic” slurs, or otherwise express political incorrectness yourself first so people know you aren’t a sjw and that they can chill out.

Cheers!

(Thoughts? I have a feeling I went totally overboard.)

Write "What is MGTOW?" on paper money and spend it. Spreading MGTOW with complete deniability. (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

[KeymasterKeymaster]

(have removed the pasteboard links not resolving)

riron wrote:

So the lgbt lobby would like you to think that you’re “born gay”, and that there is a “gay gene”

Let them fumble about but it’s better understood another way:
Attraction is not a choice.

We know this, because you can’t MAKE a woman want to f~~~ you (on a gut level) …and she can’t talk herself OUT of it either. That’s why women knowingly have sex with the WRONG kind of man and say things like “I can’t believe I had sex with that complete asshole”. Because attraction is not a choice.

You can’t “decide” to be gay or bi.
Either you suck dick, or you do NOT suck dick.

Nobody flips a coin in the morning to decides:
“heads I get hair pie… and tails, it’s ball across the nose”.

riron wrote:

So what the hell does this have to do with MGTOW?

Nothing.

riron wrote:

You don’t have to be straight

Thank you for that. But you don’t really have a choice. Either you are, or you’re not. Since you can’t MAKE a woman TRULY sexuality attracted to you, no matter how many dinners or diamonds you buy her… you can’t make a man “gay” (or straight) either.

Just mind-blowing how the gays don’t even have this figured out yet. They spend half their lives saying “ACCEPT ME AS I AM !!! I WAS BORN THIS WAY!!! “ and then they try and tell everyone ELSE “you don’t have to be straight”.

Telling someone else what they want to / should / may f~~~, is totally inappropriate, silly, unrealistic and impossible.

Its about time a straight man said:
“Take that dick out of your mouth. You don’t HAVE to be gay”.

.. and then sit back and watch the reaction.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

If you want to change yourself that way to try to avoid the feminine go right ahead, but I’ll be staying the course.

I react to female attractiveness. Why? Because I am straight. No need to change.

I can recognize what females think is attractiveness in a man, but since it does nothing for me then I guess I’m stuck being straight.

This is far from criticism of your opinion or even homophobia, and you’ve been on the site too long for me to think that you are a latent troll who laid in waiting since September. Just know that most men who are exclusively attracted to the feminine will not agree with your hypothesis.

If it’s working for you, then it’s probably something that was born or nurtured into your mindset. Have a great time with whatever way your way takes you.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[Anonymous 42]

Keymaster wrote:

Either you suck dick, or you do NOT suck dick.

NOT!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Ogre wrote:

I react to female attractiveness. Why? Because I am straight. No need to change.

Right! Nature DESIGNED it that way. We’re not explaining that s~~~.

Telling a man “you don’t have to be straight” is like telling a fish, “you don’t have to swim”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I’ve had this discussion any number of times. Regardless of the roots of homosexuality, the practical impact is that there is no such thing as male bisexuality. If you are willing to suck dick, you’re gay.

IMHO, for women, the choice to be with another women is driven largely by social pressures. Women will get with each other for male attention or to avoid interaction with males or just for the hell of it, there’s no real downside to it for them socially speaking, but there is no true homosexuality for women either. I personally have seen paragons of the lesbian community get to the point where they simply bailed on it, met a guy, got pregnant and got married.

For men, however, there is what lawyers would call a clear bright line. Not only is there a social price to pay for being openly homosexual (ridicule from men, revulsion from women) such that one does not cross that line repeatedly with impunity, but there is an economics component as well. Let me explain:

Imagine you’re a man and you walk into a bar with 10 hot women and 10 hot men in it and you believe you could be happy with any one of them. If you randomly approach a hot woman first, the chances are high that you are going to meet resistance to your approach. If’ on the other hand, you approach a man, that resistance will be far lower. Over the course of many interactions, you will come to see that the men are far less resistant to your approaches and that you can get what you want from a man far more easily than from a woman.

Over time, you will tend to choose the path of least resistance and will ultimately become effectively gay.

Not to mention that if you were to tell every potential female sex partner that you just came back from having a dick in your ass and another one in your mouth, she will not want to sleep with you. I have personally asked dozens of “bi-friendly” women this question and, when pressed, they admit that they do not feel comfortable sharing their man with other men.

So no, the is no “choice”. You go for what you desire and you go for what works for you. At the end of the day, forces beyond your control determine your sexual orientation no matter how you look at it.

After 15 years of living in San Francisco, I know a few things about this, but it’s still just my opinion. Take it for what it’s worth.

[UntamedParticipant]

riron wrote:

-If you want to cross the 2D – 3D line:

(Thoughts? I have a feeling I went totally overboard.)

Crossing both those lines will get you into Blue-pill world and the end of your sanity ( provided you’re not already nuts by the time you come out of the brainwashing centers they like to call schools )
There is only one line I’ll cross from my MGTOW world and that is the one that leads me to the Cloud-9 world of experienced Ladies of pleasure. I only spend a limited amount of time in that world, just like with an online game – enough time to bust a few nuts, get my kicks of unsurpassed sensations with a different Lady each time and not enough time to compromise my sanity.
F~~~ all the rest.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[Anonymous 54]

Im sorry i dont get that.I have no choice what im atttacted to. Not just any women,but a select type.I dont see how that can be changed. What i can change is choosing not to deal with them any more.

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

It seems like being gay would be awesome.

If you think “awesome” means having your dating pool severely limited, and putting yourself at a ridiculously higher chance for contracting a sexual disease, not the least of which is HIV.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[revofireParticipant 5]

I know many of the people here won’t be very kind or understanding to you simply because they’ve never been in a position like yours in the time we are now.

I’m going to try and address this swiftly and simply. I may be misunderstood because I don’t feel like going into detail. Generally though, I understand the concept of waifu’s and it’s pretty darn nice. However, I choose to live in reality. A waifu is a lot of imagination with a disconnect from reality. I don’t want that. I think it’s the easy way out and I’d like to take the path less traveled when possible. But yes, I understand why it might feel nice. But I really do want something real. When true AI is achieved, who knows what will happen. But that hasn’t happened yet, so we’ll hold course for now.

As for your sexuality. I’m in the same situation. However even before knowing what women really were, I still played around. I blame my social life and childhood but truth is I really don’t know. So with that in mind, I’ll do what feels right (bi, like you) until it no longer feels right, if that ever happens. However, I am always attracted to women. Just that when I do, I remember just how bad and dangerous they are. In the end, girls are sexy as f~~~, but I don’t ‘like’ them. You see?

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

More or less bi, here. I had a relationship with a transgender, pre-op.
@anonymous: you’re absolutely right when you say

“Over the course of many interactions, you will come to see that the men are far less resistant to your approaches and that you can get what you want from a man far more easily than from a woman.

Over time, you will tend to choose the path of least resistance and will ultimately become effectively gay.”

But that works so for men who are equally attracted to both women and men, especially if you’re average. In my case I’m more attracted to women, and that is combined with the fact that, even if women still have resistance with me, if I start to talk with an unknown woman most times she reacts by smiling and being (apparently) nice.

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[Frank V.Participant 2445]

So the lgbt lobby would like you to think that you’re “born gay”, and that there is a “gay gene”. (Milo Yiannopolous expresses this better than I can: https://youtu.be/symNG931L68?t=1m31s)

Considering he wants us straights to get married to serve his agenda at our expense, I consider him a trustworthy authority on nothing. I don’t trust people willing to sell me out.

So what the hell does this have to do with MGTOW? Basically, when the religious right says that it’s possible to change your sexuality, they’re right. What they’re wrong about is which direction you should be going – the idea that it’s better to be straight than gay is a little bit outdated.

The religious right also has a lot of people saying the Earth is a few thousand years old, fossils are a trick from the devil and are willing to use shaming tactics and worse against men who refuse to get enslaved in marriage. They can be some of the worst Blue-Pillers ever.I trust them even less.

Experts on the matter have agreed that for some people their apparent sexuality, or how it expresses itself, can change over time. The details are debated widely, but it is still clear that most straights can’t just “decide to go gay” and most gays can’t just “decide to be straight”.

That is because it’s not like the average man that got jilted on a date can decide “Hey ! I am going to lay guys instead !” If it where that easy, Milo could just decide to turn straight and marry a woman.

For the vast majority of people, there is a great deal of evidence that they cannot change their sexuality and just “chose” to like a different sex.

If you are an exception to this, then good for you ! Consider yourself lucky.

Just understand that most people are not you. You are an exception. Most people cannot readily change who they are attracted to because they never chose it in the first place. KeyMaster is right on this one.

The efforts to change people’s sexuality on a large scale has proven to be a failure for decades. The Religious Rights efforts are a proven failure today.

And nothing fails like failure.

Frank V.

[revofireParticipant 5]

Frank V. wrote:

So the lgbt lobby would like you to think that you’re “born gay”, and that there is a “gay gene”. (Milo Yiannopolous expresses this better than I can: https://youtu.be/symNG931L68?t=1m31s)

Considering he wants us straights to get married to serve his agenda at our expense, I consider him a trustworthy authority on nothing. I don’t trust people willing to sell me out.

So what the hell does this have to do with MGTOW? Basically, when the religious right says that it’s possible to change your sexuality, they’re right. What they’re wrong about is which direction you should be going – the idea that it’s better to be straight than gay is a little bit outdated.

The religious right also has a lot of people saying the Earth is a few thousand years old, fossils are a trick from the devil and are willing to use shaming tactics and worse against men who refuse to get enslaved in marriage. They can be some of the worst Blue-Pillers ever.I trust them even less.

Experts on the matter have agreed that for some people their apparent sexuality, or how it expresses itself, can change over time. The details are debated widely, but it is still clear that most straights can’t just “decide to go gay” and most gays can’t just “decide to be straight”.

That is because it’s not like the average man that got jilted on a date can decide “Hey ! I am going to lay guys instead !” If it where that easy, Milo could just decide to turn straight and marry a woman.

For the vast majority of people, there is a great deal of evidence that they cannot change their sexuality and just “chose” to like a different sex.

If you are an exception to this, then good for you ! Consider yourself lucky.

Just understand that most people are not you. You are an exception. Most people cannot readily change who they are attracted to because they never chose it in the first place. KeyMaster is right on this one.

The efforts to change people’s sexuality on a large scale has proven to be a failure for decades. The Religious Rights efforts are a proven failure today.

And nothing fails like failure.

Frank V.

I like girls hands down, but for some reason for many years I’ve still been slightly bi. Have no idea why, can’t tell if my previous porn addiction did that to me or if I was just that way anyway and porn just amplified those broken feelings in me.

Regardless of the cause, I know how I feel now. And the truth is, I don’t know what that feeling really means. But I do know that I have a lot in common with OP which is why I understand him so well.

What are the odds that I run into someone that I understand so well so randomly and at this time here? Not very high, maybe because this problem is more common than most would like to believe.

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