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a pretty good article written by an indian women that DESTROYS equality and feminists and affirms what we’ve been saying and what history have been saying for 100s of years that feminists and the system thought it can change in 40 years period ( pathetic) here is the article. I certainly enjoy it when everytime women realizes her true place and regret all the time and effort she put into being a PSEUDO-MAN. and goes online and rant about it. it’s certainly worth a read even if toward the end she started given in to feminism but at the beginning it’s a joy to read the amount of regret and sadness that irradiated from her writing
http://www.huffingtonpost.in/amee-misra-/the-biggest-disservice-we_b_7963972.html?utm_source=COLUMBIA&utm_medium=COLUMBIA&utm_campaign=COLUMBIAChildren have no idea that they are now being born in the 21st century and should treat their mothers differently. Having a child continues to be the same amount of work: childbirth continues to be a bitch and a mother’s biological impulses drawing her to her child remain as strong as nature intended them to be. But our expectations from women are very different now. They are supposed to be men.
She nailed it here. Women really aren’t made to out there and work like men are. When a woman has a child naturally she is supposed to care for it and always be around the child to make sure it is fed, changed, and staying safe. Lets just look at women from as recent as 100 years ago when they had children. She would probably get out in the morning to make her husband breakfast and by that time the baby might have wanted to get up. After her husband ate he would go off to work and then she would either continue to take care of the baby or go do house work or laundry while the baby still slept. Basically once her husband left for work she really had no rush. Today it is way different. Yes men do take more responsibility with helping with children, but since men work longer hours and higher jobs they usually leave earlier so the mother is left getting the kids up. The difference is now women have to worry about getting the kids up and ready for school or daycare, get her self ready for work, and possibly make breakfast. So basically by wanting to be men women are fighting against their own biology.
When I was little, like before Kindergarten, my mom worked 2 nights a week for a few hours after my dad got home. She said she originally looked into daycare, but given how expensive it was, it still is today, most of her entire check from working would have just gone to day care so she decided to stay home because it just made more sense.
Anonymous1Well, that’s the problem I see with this argument of women “knowing their place”. By stating that, than you are implying that the place of a man is out there working and slaving himslef, and honestly, between being at home taking care of the kids, and being out there killing yourself in order to get reources/money/food, who has the shortest end of the stick?
If women want to be “subservient” to a man, I will not stop them, but they should accept the consequences that if that doesn’t work out, she is “stuck” with little to no prospects to leave, and there should be no obligation from the man to support her in case she decides to get away from the relationship. On the other hand, the man that accept this crappy deal, should also accept that his life is pretty much over, with him being reduced to a working bee that will have to support another grown adult and possibly a child for the rest of at least her life. If that is what they choose, that is fine.
But I refuse to accept that IT HAS TO BE THAT WAY. Women are “restricted” to their biology as much as men are, and if a woman is that much incapable of looking after herself and being of no other use than making babies, than by the same logic, a man has no other use than to be a tool incapable of caring for another human being (therefore, if you think like that, the court system is actually fair, after all, women are the nurturing gender, aren’t they? It is biology! So, if you are a man, you should do what BIOLOGY dictates, now be a good automaton and work to pay alimony).
I believe that HUMANS can be more than that. Certainly men and women are different, and in the end of the day, men might have more advantages of for providing because of biology (or MAYBE a woman might have more advantages on the social sphere for the same reason), but as HUMANS we can ADAPT and, more important, BYPASS such boundaries. Do you really think a man is not capable of nurturing a child? Of loving and caring as much as a woman? After all, you can’t argue with biology, right? And testoterone is linked to agressive behavior (nevermind that agressive behavior is not necessary linked with VIOLENCE) Hell, the worse attrocities I see commited against children are perpetrated by WOMEN, and they are supposed to be fairer sex!
In the end, this is more of a tradcon article. It still bashes men in the end, and has hints for men go back to the plantation. And the worse part is, there are a lot of men out there that are actually falling for this. They are welcome to go back and waste away their lives, but if a woman wants to be with me, she would have to offer a lot more than her pussy, because YES, I CAN ARGUE WITH BIOLOGY, is called SELF CONTROL.
What you can’t argue with is the CONSEQUENCES of your ACTIONS, That is unavoidable, one way or another.
That’s my take anyway.
Cheers.
Anonymous1Lets just look at women from as recent as 100 years ago when they had children. She would probably get out in the morning to make her husband breakfast and by that time the baby might have wanted to get up. After her husband ate he would go off to work and then she would either continue to take care of the baby or go do house work or laundry while the baby still slept.
Well, lets look that same situation nowadays, shall we?
She would wake up early to make her husband breakfast and while he is out there busting his ass off, she goes back to sleep, Later on she can feed the kid, throw the laundy on the washing machine, throw the dishes on the dishwashing machine and sit her ass to watch tv. Meanwhile, the MAN is stressing out at work having to provide for the WHOLE family. Oh, the good old days…
I am often amazed with people that uses this argument for several reasons:
a) They seem to want to go back to a time pre-digital age.
b) They really seem to want the woman as a maid/servant (and honestly, if that is all her usem than I rather HIRE a maid, or a servant).
c) They OVERESTIMATE the trouble that is to look after a kid. I can’t tell for sure, since I never had kids, but from what I read here and watch on youtube from single fathers, not only is manageble, but some of them PREFER to raise their kids by themselves RATHER THAN WITH THEIR WIVES. There might be certain incovinients (I remember ILiveAgain saying something a deal he made with his female friends), but SERIOUSLY? Is this worth you FREAKING LIFE? I don’t think it is.Basically once her husband left for work she really had no rush.
Oh yeah, life of aristocracy usually is pretty relaxed.
Today it is way different. Yes men do take more responsibility with helping with children, but since men work longer hours and higher jobs they usually leave earlier so the mother is left getting the kids up.
Ok, so in the past, life was already hard for men, and now is even HARDER. Since, on top of having ALL THE RESPONSABILITY OF PROVIDING FOR THE FAMILY, he also have to SHARE THE CARE OF THE KIDS, which alone WOULD NOT BE THAT MUCH WORK IN THE FIRST PLACE. So you better bet your ass that the mother should do SOMETHING, like GETTING THE KIDS UP. I see no problem for the woman on this scenario.
The difference is now women have to worry about getting the kids up and ready for school or daycare, get her self ready for work, and possibly make breakfast. So basically by wanting to be men women are fighting against their own biology.
Are you kidding me?!? Are you having pitty on women because they have to share some of the F~~~ING WORK?!?! While the men is still the one doing the MAJORITY OF THE LABOR, the fact that the women is doing SOMETHING MORE than just SITTING ON HER ASS is what bothers you?!?! REALLY?!?!?
The only biology she is fighting is the biology of EAT, SLEEP, REPEAT! And she BETTER FIGHT THAT LAZY S~~~.
When I was little, like before Kindergarten, my mom worked 2 nights a week for a few hours after my dad got home. She said she originally looked into daycare, but given how expensive it was, it still is today, most of her entire check from working would have just gone to day care so she decided to stay home because it just made more sense.
Ok, that is not “biology”, that is ECONOMICS. If her job didn’t covered the expenses of the daycare, than sure, it makes sense. But it was not her BIOLOGY, it was MONEY that drove her to stay home. That and the fact that taking care of you was probably way, WAY EASIER than working for a boss, away from home, with shcedules to fulfill and tasks to perform.
Like I said, if it is the choice of the couple to be like that, fine. But don’t give me this “biology is inescapable” argument. It isn’t, and what you described it is NOT BIOLOGY….
Do you really think a man is not capable of nurturing a child? Of loving and caring as much as a woman? After all, you can’t argue with biology, right? And testoterone is linked to agressive behavior (nevermind that agressive behavior is not necessary linked with VIOLENCE) Hell, the worse attrocities I see commited against children are perpetrated by WOMEN, and they are supposed to be fairer sex!
Are there any studies of stay at home dads? Does this really work? I think a woman (who provides the Family and has the trousers on) would fastly lose all respect for her husband who Cooks and cleans the toilet. Which would result in her sleeping around with chad.
well done, thanks for sharing, it’s good to see how women are losing it and spinning out of control. actually blackgusticspeaks did an analysis on the same article few days. which only shows how great MGTOW minds think alike. here is the link https://youtu.be/GwyY5PvfVcQ
Anonymous1Are there any studies of stay at home dads? Does this really work?
Not that I know of, but you can ask ILiveAgain on this website, he raised his daughter alone, after a hell of a legal battle, from what I read on the forums. Or you can watch a video from 6oodfella where he talks about his experience of raising his kid alone. Didn’t see the video, but from what I heard he actually seemed to imply is even EASIER to raise the kid alone than with the mother, so I would think that, yes, it works.
I think a woman (who provides the Family and has the trousers on) would fastly lose all respect for her husband who Cooks and cleans the toilet.
Did I ever said anything about inversing the roles? No. In fact, on the quote you took from my post I mentioned “Do you really think a man is not capable of nurturing a child?” How, in the nine hells, is a man cooking and cleaning realted to his ability to love and nurture a child? And what I said for the women would apply for the man as well. If all the guy do is stay at home doing nothing, he is as parasite as a woman that would do the same thing. Not saying that things have to 50/50, someone will eventually make more money (probably the one that put more work hours) and someone might end up doing the chores (probably the one that make less), but JUST doing chores, in this day and age, is NOT EQUIVALENT TO WORK 40-60 HOURS A WEEK!!
Besides, a woman might lose respect for a husband that is the provider the SAME WAY she would lose respect for a stay home husband! You seem to think that women see men as HUMANS and not as TOOLS. For them, we are DISPOSABLE REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO.
Which would result in her sleeping around with chad.
Well, if a woman only sleeps with you depending on you RESOURCES, she is usually called PROSTITUTE. Besides if a woman would sleep with someone else based on WHAT YOU DO for the house, do you still want her BY YOUR SIDE? That is the whole point of my argument. Women “returning to the kitchen” would not change the fact that they still see man as TOOL. and that the ONLY REASON they would be with you is based on WHAT YOU HAVE, or on WHAT YOU CAN OFFER. If men are this shallow, than they pretty much deserve what is coming from them.
I, on the other hand, have my standards a little higher than that. Being with someone that saw me as a HUMAN BEING rather than a f~~~ing TOOL would be a start.
Lets just look at women from as recent as 100 years ago when they had children. She would probably get out in the morning to make her husband breakfast and by that time the baby might have wanted to get up. After her husband ate he would go off to work and then she would either continue to take care of the baby or go do house work or laundry while the baby still slept.
Well, lets look that same situation nowadays, shall we?
She would wake up early to make her husband breakfast and while he is out there busting his ass off, she goes back to sleep, Later on she can feed the kid, throw the laundy on the washing machine, throw the dishes on the dishwashing machine and sit her ass to watch tv. Meanwhile, the MAN is stressing out at work having to provide for the WHOLE family. Oh, the good old days…
I am often amazed with people that uses this argument for several reasons:
a) They seem to want to go back to a time pre-digital age.
b) They really seem to want the woman as a maid/servant (and honestly, if that is all her usem than I rather HIRE a maid, or a servant).
c) They OVERESTIMATE the trouble that is to look after a kid. I can’t tell for sure, since I never had kids, but from what I read here and watch on youtube from single fathers, not only is manageble, but some of them PREFER to raise their kids by themselves RATHER THAN WITH THEIR WIVES. There might be certain incovinients (I remember ILiveAgain saying something a deal he made with his female friends), but SERIOUSLY? Is this worth you FREAKING LIFE? I don’t think it is.your one of those people aren’t you!? those who dissect others comments and go into full crusade trying to create an argument and question other motives here on MGTOW. your kind is the sole reason why I stopped participating much on this forum, you have a certain version of MGTOW philosophy in your head and you think that this is what TRUE MGTOW is all about, discrediting anyone who believe even slight differently that your version of MGTOW. guys like you are like the ISIS of islam, your the extremist of MGTOW either your version or not at all. and it appears from the number of posts you have on your profile and your mode of communication, you have nothing else to do but to argue and argue and argue with other members in order to get attention and feel good about yourself. . . . . . to be honest it’s just pathetic.
headon.collision clearly made it clear that the article goes feminist toward the end and blackghostic confirmed that by pointing out in the video in part 2, she made her point in the beginning of the article and she started hamster spinning toward the end, which only screams how messed up women life is nowadays and how we are winning and driving them nuts. and yet you digressed around the point of the article and found whatever bulls~~~ to say to create an argument out of nothing. basically people like you are what hindering MGTOW from growing. your just driving members aways cuz they have a slightly different version of MGTOW than you. it’s just sad, I’ve been MGTOW long enough and tired of people like u who come in and s~~~ all over the movement. learn how to say something positive and learn how to support other members, than just going around arguing with people. and yes we are limited by our biology, I doubt you work or study in a medical or biological field to know how human biological systems function and how limited we are in terms of what hormones, peptides, neurotransmitters and other chemicals that governs our body. and thats not even the point of why headon said you can’t argue with biology, he simply quoted that from the article and put it as a headline. if you read the article correctly you would have notice that, but NO! u just swifted through the article, made a quick conclusion and came to s~~~ all over the thread to get some attention. you should seriously know and learn what it means to be a true MAN GOING HIS OWN WAY! it doesn’t mean wasting time on the computer criticizing other members and arguing with them, it means going out there and carving your own life and path, away from the system claws and women influence, making money, enjoying life, doing a hobby etc. I fear for the movement from mentalities like you sending the wrong message. pretty much like alqaida and ISIS with their extremist view of things sending the wrong message about the Muslims around the globe, ruining their rep and endangering them.Did I ever said anything about inversing the roles?
Nope, was just a thought of mine what would happen, because such circumstances are still quite rare and not really accepted in our Society. (at least from my Point of view and in my Country). but thanks for the links anyways, ill check into it
how messed up women life is nowadays and how we are winning and driving them nuts.
‘We’??? – Shut the f~~~ up.
‘driving them nuts’? – You take pleasure in women going nuts?…that s~~~ doesn’t help anybody.God damn, go back to spectating then.
People do argue with biology — many a totalitarian state’s government for example — but biology wins in the long term.
In the short term, millions suffer due to the whims of a few, a few who have men with badges and guns at their disposal.Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Anonymous1your one of those people aren’t you!? those who dissect others comments and go into full crusade trying to create an argument and question other motives here on MGTOW
Yes, I dissect other people arguments in order to better digest, or refute, said arguments. It is called critical thinking.
your kind is the sole reason why I stopped participating much on this forum
That… is pretty much your problem. If you don’t want to hear other people opinions, than don’t read other people’s comments. If you don’t want your opinion’s criticized, than don’t post.
you have a certain version of MGTOW philosophy in your head and you think that this is what TRUE MGTOW is all about,
This is partially true. Yes, I think my “version” (if you want to call that way) of Mgtow is what Mgtow is all about FOR ME (like, in MY LIFE). Again, don’t see a problem with that.
discrediting anyone who believe even slight differently that your version of MGTOW
You give me too much credit. I just post here other’s people arguments from MY POINT OF VIEW. In the end, that is what this forum is about isn’t it? EXCHANGE OF IDEAS. Oh… I see… You think that the only exchange valid is when the idea exchange is the SAME. Sorry to disapoint you, but if I see someone that I disagree with, and I feel it is worth to point it out, I WILL DO IT. If the argument I “debunked” was “discredit, thatn it is a seign that the argument in question was not strong to begin with, was it? And who knows, I might actually learn something from the exchange… Or I might end up with some concern troll like yourself. It is a risk that I am willing to take.
guys like you are like the ISIS of islam, your the extremist of MGTOW either your version or not at all.
Wow, refuting other people’s argument is now AS BAD AS JOINING ISIS?!?! Are you f~~~ing kiding me? And… wait…. are you the so called MODERATE MGTOW?!? F~~~ing hell, that explains a lot. We use to call you guys PUSSY BEGGARS…. Sorry mate, you will find quite low tolerance for pussy begging on this site.
and it appears from the number of posts you have on your profile and your mode of communication, you have nothing else to do but to argue and argue and argue with other members in order to get attention and feel good about yourself. . . . . . to be honest it’s just pathetic.
Well than, Than I guess you better get on your way. Don’t let the exit door hit you.
Besides, you are complaining that I post threads… on a website that was made for posting threads… And complaining about my LANGUAGE?!? Gees, nevermind the CONTENT of my messages, I should watch my F~~~ING GODAM LANGUAGE, forgive F~~~ING ME your majesty….
On top of that, the one criticizing me is the one that don’t post here because he is afraid f CRITICISM?!?! Yeah, that is really commendable…
headon.collision clearly made it clear that the article goes feminist toward the end and blackghostic confirmed that by pointing out in the video in part 2, she made her point in the beginning of the article and she started hamster spinning toward the end, which only screams how messed up women life is nowadays
And Stardusk (Thinking Ape) pointed out how LITTLE this all means! See, even on YOUTUBE there are opossing opinions. And I am one guy that don’t agree with Stardusk on SEVERAL POINTS. So, because a youtuber agrees with OP, that means I can’t disagree?!?
and how we are winning and driving them nuts
Yeah, cause nothing scream VICTORY like going back to be the SOLE PROVIDER and RESPONSIBLE ADULT on the household. And still, you didn’t refute ANY of my points.
and yet you digressed around the point of the article and found whatever bulls~~~ to say to create an argument out of nothing.
No, no, no. That is what you are doing RIGHT NOW. I pointed out the EXACT PROBLEM of article. A nicer slave owner, IS STILL ASLAVE OWNER. She misses being a “mother”, because working is “too hard”. Besides, if you are talking about subjects like f~~~ing BIOLOGY, you would have to consider the MALE SIDE AS WELL AS THE FEMALE. Or do you think ony FEMALES have DRIVES AND REPRODUCTIVES STRATEGIES. Men have those as well and they can be as HARMFULL TO MEN AS WOMEN’S STRATEGIES. But hey, you probably must think women’s uterus is sacred, and their “holy duty” is to generate children, like the article implies. F~~~ing “moderate mgtow”, go back being a tool than.
basically people like you are what hindering MGTOW from growing
Really? So, freedom of speech hinders the Mgtow growing up?!?! Yes, I shall join the collective mind, join the hive mind or die…
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Wait… this is feminism. You are on the wrong site my friend, feminism is on the other direction.your just driving members aways cuz they have a slightly different version of MGTOW than you
Yeah, because APPEARANCE trumphs SUBSTANCE! I mean, nevermind exposing different ideas and f~~~ing debunking them, we should mind people’s FEELINGS ove f~~~ing FACTS. Or, maybe, we should start putting TRIGGER WARNINGS?!?! You are, indeed, a concern troll aren’t you?
it’s just sad, I’ve been MGTOW long enough and tired of people like u who come in and s~~~ all over the movement.
Good bye than!
And I believe Mgtow is more of a phenomena than a movement, but I digress…learn how to say something positive and learn how to support other members, than just going around arguing with people.
Ok, ok… I will try…
Ready…?
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F~~~ YOU!
How about that? Look, as I said before, FACTS OVER FEELINGS, is my motto. If I disagree with someone, I will say it. I will not support another Mgtow just because penis. If there is anything to support, than he can F~~~ OFF. If there is something to criticize, I WILL DO IT. If you want this kind of s~~~, go to the SOCIAL JUSTICE “movement”, they are obessed with “trigger wrnings”and yes we are limited by our biology, I doubt you work or study in a medical or biological field to know how human biological systems function and how limited we are in terms of what hormones, peptides, neurotransmitters and other chemicals that governs our body
Im sorry, and you are? If so, can you point me to the paper that say that it is BIOLOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for a woman to F~~~ING TAKE CARE OF HERSELF? Or that a man has no other function/utility than to be a f~~~ing TOOL?
You know, I will prove my point, at least from the male perspective. It is called MGTOW! Maybe you heard of it…
and thats not even the point of why headon said you can’t argue with biology, he simply quoted that from the article and put it as a headline.
Where he got the phrase doesn’t matter. He made a point, I argued against it.
if you read the article correctly you would have notice that, but NO! u just swifted through the article, made a quick conclusion and came to s~~~ all over the thread to get some attention
I read the article, and saw Stardusk and part of Black Agnostic videos, that is why I f~~~ing posted the reply. Projecting much?
you should seriously know and learn what it means to be a true MAN GOING HIS OWN WAY!
Already wento through this topic with Soldier-Medic on another topic, not going to repeat myself.
Also, I liked the “real man” tactic… Where did I heard that before?it doesn’t mean wasting time on the computer criticizing other members and arguing with them, it means going out there and carving your own life and path, away from the system claws and women influence, making money, enjoying life, doing a hobby etc.
Oh yeah, we shouldn’t talk about it. We should just shut up and go our own way. Cause a REAL MAN don’t complain. A REAL MAN is a REAL AUTOMATON….
I fear for the movement from mentalities like you sending the wrong message. pretty much like alqaida and ISIS with their extremist view of things sending the wrong message about the Muslims around the globe, ruining their rep and endangering them.
Concernec troll is concerned… Also, comparing me with ISIS for POSTING an OPPOSIG VIEW…
F~~~ off
Anonymous1Nope, was just a thought of mine what would happen, because such circumstances are still quite rare and not really accepted in our Society. (at least from my Point of view and in my Country). but thanks for the links anyways, ill check into it
No worries.
Anonymous1People do argue with biology — many a totalitarian state’s government for example — but biology wins in the long term.
Well, to make my point clear, my beef with “biology determinists” is what they consider “biology”. I am aware that men and women are different, and as such they will have different interests, strengths, so on and so forth. But what we have now (and, on my opinion ALWAYS had) is men DRAGGING women’s ass throught out history at HIS LIFE EXPENSE, and IT DOESN’T HVE TO BE THAT WAY.
Besides, Men going their own way is also biology, is it not? Feminism, could be said, it is just the political manifestation of female nature’s biology… White Knghting (the impulse to protect females, regardless of the cost) may also be biology.
If the “fate” of humanity is men being disposable, than so be it, but what I say is this: don’t IGNORE the indications that we MAY be able to follow a different BETTER path. And if this, indeed, is inescapable, than MEN AND WOMEN should accept the freaking responsabilities.
For me, however, the fact Mgtow EXISTS and IS GROWING proves that those “roles” are not as unavoiable as some want to believe. But that is just me.
Just a rant about the subject.
Well, have to go now. 🙂
Cheers.
Besides, Men going their own way is also biology, is it not?
It is, you are right. I think of us as the approximate equivalents of rogue elephants, those that live outside the herd.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
I don’t argue with biology. Trying to live MGTOW, I need to have biology be in its place. The natural biological drives can cause me to not act in my best interests long-term. These drives cause men to be Blue Pill, and SIMPs. So, the idea isn’t to argue with them, but to try to find your way past it. Being MGTOW isn’t natural or normal, but desperate times call for it, for a lot of men.
My take on the whole biology aspect is that I see it used around MGTOW, and can see it work against going MGTOW, because attempts to show determinism by biology ends up saying MGTOW can’t do things.
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