would dowry stem the groth of Red Pill Men

[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

dowry: the money, goods, or estate that a woman brings to her husband in marriage.
I see a good many of my friends supporting and spending his hard earned money and most of his “free time” on some other mans children or grand children. Often this is because Gutter Slut step Daughter is out ridding c~~~ carousel, unable or unwilling to provide safe supervision of some other mans children grand children (mom more that likely did the same back in the day).
I do not advocate spitting out red Pill and pursuing Brady Bunch Blue Pill bliss.But I see this endless stream of young woman with children ,stretch marks ,messed up vajayjay’s and boobs tucked into yoga pants. All I hear is man needs to man up and step up.I say women is if you want to buy into the game at least put in the pot limit in.SAY It LOUD,MY S~~~ IS MY S~~~ AND I AM PROUD.All I keep seeing a Woman with nothing to bring to table demanding the life style she never knew.
“She Keep on betting that the dice wont pass,and she ain’t even got clean drawers to pull up on her ass” Ruby Ray Moore

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

The whole reason the “dowry” system started is because in those times and cultures men understood that the ONLY benefit a woman brings to a marriage is her reproductive system. The ability to carry, birth, and raise children is ALL a woman has to offer.
Fathers understood this well and in order to ensure that some sucker would marry his precious little girl, he had to offer an enticement to continue his blood line. My, my, how times have changed. Now we have idiots paying “two months salary” for a piece of carbon to buy some woman’s [temporary] affection. NO, F~~~ING, THANKS.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[Lavish776Spectator 15]

For an American woman? There would have to be a dowry and a golden parachute. No joke. Would have to be a steep 8 figures with no fine print.

And an understanding that there will be stuff on the side.

I truly don’t believe women are capable of genuine love, so it would have to be strictly business with lots of lawyers involved.

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

With the way the courts are now, a dowry would be taken from you in the divorce so no. I think it would only incentivize men not to marry. When you NEED to actively BRIBE someone to marry your daughter, that says it all doesn’t it? Not worth marrying on their own so they have to pay off a man.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

Here is the real deal; dowry’s were need to incentivize men to take daughter off the hands and maybe a piece of land,oxen and a few goats would help a guy get a start.
Fast forward ;Her new man Uncle Sugar gave her the vote Legal Aid,food stamps, section 8 ,Pell grants and a cornucopia of alphabet agencies for her to be financial able leave the nest.Uncle Sugar received a dependent voting block to keep Boss Hog in power. Men die in war 407k in ww ii ,Nam 60k and in,dangerous jobs that did not kill right away,but black lung and just working himself into bad health.Women can be counted on to show up and vote to keep gravy train rolling down the tracks

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22567]

No. The main problem is not what men get at the beginning. The main problem is what women take from men at the end.

[Anonymous 3]

The grand irony of this is the only culture/religion I know of where a man is expected to pay a dowry to a woman is Islam. And I could never quite understand that.

[bob__Participant 946]

Ancient people must have been smarter than most people think. Ancients paid men to take on the responsibility of leading families. Ancients didn’t allow women to vote because they knew women would try to vote away men’s resources to be redistributed to women. As soon as American women got the right to vote, women gave us a decade of artificial booms propped up by money printing presses followed by a depression. The economy has never actually recovered from that.

[FrankOneParticipant 1435]

First, somebody has to PAY out the daughter’s dowry. And that ‘somebody’ would most typically, be her FATHER, i.e. a Man. By making having children even MORE expensive, you’ve discouraged marriage, or certainly, large families. A man will at best get back one dowry; if he has two daughters, he’ll have to fund two. So at best, it’s cost neutral in my humble opinion.

Modern culture tells us women work, so dowries are no longer needed. However, married men, with children under 18, spend about 16 more hours a week in paid labor, than what their wives spend at paid labor. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/14/men-women-work-time/1983271/ So the Strong, Independent Married Woman doesn’t appear, to be holding up her end of the bargain.

The media keeps saying increasing number of women outearn their husbands. They don’t mention the MAJORITY of men outearn their wives or that women EXPECT to Marry Up. They also never seem to mention how much wealth each partner had going INTO the marriage, or other relevant data.

[STORMParticipant 738]

The only thing a woman brings to the table is a giant suitcase full of s~~~. They proceed to dump it on the table, and hand you a spoon.

If we listen to a female at all, It's no longer to find out if they're crazy, we know they're crazy, It's to find out what flavor.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5119]

The new dowry, is that women will be the new financial slaves. I guarantee that eventually the professional types will start saving a huge nest egg, so that they can have babies. It is only a matter of time. The joke will be on them.

Sovereignty above all else.

[EyeswideopenParticipant 2930]

bob__ wrote:

a decade of artificial booms propped up by money printing presses followed by a depression. The economy has never actually recovered from that.

I agree in part.

WW2 dug us out. Industrial expenditure and surplus population decrease. Then the rise of fiat currency, fractional reserve banking, and the federal reserve just kicked the ball down field. The selling of bonds is considered generational child abuse.

Western Society, especially US and Canada, decline parallel’s that of the Roman Empire – for those history buffs.

Rome collapsed due to rampant taxation caused by debt due in part to social programs that the women love so much. (Bread and Circus) At one point more people were on the dole than gainfully employed. To combat this debt the Empire also debased it’s currency – equivalent of printing more money – which caused passive taxation i.e inflation. This, plus a weakening of cultural values through unchecked immigration put the nail in the Empire’s coffin. Things got so bad, that a big portion of the populace welcomed foreign occupation – which is what we see to a lessor extent in Europe.

Many parallels. These will be interesting times.

- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein

[EyeswideopenParticipant 2930]

Knights Templar Rising wrote:

I guarantee that eventually the professional types will start saving a huge nest egg, so that they can have babies.

Yes. Just waiting for an artificial womb. Then the child will be 100% mine. Raising a child is too important a task to leave to a women.

- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Silverstone the Second wrote:

With the way the courts are now, a dowry would be taken from you in the divorce so no.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Faust For Science wrote:

No. The main problem is not what men get at the beginning. The main problem is what women take from men at the end.

Yup…when a 5 year marriage that ends in divorce could be so punishing to me that I’d literally have to add 10+ years on to the age I can comfortably retire…why would I do it…especially when a good chunk of that time probably wouldn’t exactly be happy time either if it resulted in divorce.

Dowry or no…I don’t want my nuts on the chopping block if/when the relationship sours.

[FrankOneParticipant 1435]

I envision the government taxing everyone more, and providing marriage/Baby Bonuses, reduced taxes, etc, for couples and/or single ‘Baby Mommas’. Adolf Hitler did this to increase Aryan birth rates.

Bob et al: I disagree completely about women causing the depression. We had depressions prior to the 1920’s. Boom-bust cycles are normal part of Capitalism. Giving women the vote, in my opinion, did help accelerate the growth of government. Sorry, WWII didn’t help the economy. It killed men, diverted resources, and grew government, which never shrank back to prewar levels, thereby reducing economic growth into the present. Isolationism and a strong defense are good policies. Foreign wars and a military-industrial complex, a bad policy. When women won the vote, they also should have WON the responsibilities: being drafted, for instance. Instead, that came almost a CENTURY later.

I do agree about unsustainable public debt; eventually the bread & circus games and interest on them, collapses an economy.

Phoenix: Paying a bride price, predates Islam in the Arab world. The term for it is ‘mahr’. Bear in mind, in an Islamic marriage, the wife CANNOT screw the husbank because she is a separate legal entity from him; think the OPPOSITE of communal property, i.e. separate property holdings for each wife (remember, there can be more than one wife) and the husbank. There are two parts of the mahr, one paid immediately at time of marriage, and one deferred. If there is a divorce because the husband abuses the wife, she gets the second deferred mahr as well as the first mahr; if she divorces because she’s not a HAAAAAAPY harpy (the majority of cases), she gets none of his property. There are no cash and prizes on divorce as there are in the West. I’m not a fan of Islam or Islamic law 99% of the time, but this system is at least better than what we have in the West. Marriage is still a raw deal for the husband in many cases, but the law is not stacked against him as it is in, say, the US.

[Deadly RaverParticipant]

To answer the question in the title: NOPE!!!

Face it. A dowry wouldn’t do s~~~ for you as a man. Once the ring is on her finger, she can cash out and take half of what you have, plus half of what you’ll get in the future……………including the dowry. Just another hook in the water IMO. Don’t take the bait.

Learn from the past, Control the present, and you will know the Future.

[sidecarParticipant 35850]

The only thing that will end the growth of MGTOW and save the institution of marriage is the elimination of marriage as a political and legal construct.

I don’t see that happening.

But that’s a problem for women, not men.

[Anonymous 3]

No amount of money would convince me to sign a contract with the State and be dominated by a woman and her army of white knights. F~~~ that s~~~. There are very few things I am adamant about, and I almost never swear, but this is one of the few things.

It’s absolutely f~~~ing bulls~~~ that other men have a say in how I choose to run my household. I don’t believe in equality. Deal with it. If a woman wants marriage with me, she needs to understand she will be subordinate to me.

And you know what? The vast majority of women are up for that. But the truth is it can not happen because of the State and the white knights, so it’s illusory and can not work. The State has absolutely zero business in domestic affairs. No man has any right over another man’s household.

And now I am much too old anyway to even tolerate a woman. Marriage is something to rope young men into. But it has to make sense, and not be an exercise in making men bitches to women. There are a lot of things wrong with society today, and you know what the worst of it is in my eyes? This steadfast refusal to admit that anything is wrong, and to try and shame and browbeat men into just going along with it all.

Well, that might work for the beta males of society, which apparently is most of them. But it won’t work on me, it won’t work on any MGTOW, it won’t work on any man that is actually WORTH something.

Large government and the police state is absolutely toxic, TOXIC to masculinity. It is IMPOSSIBLE for masculinity to exist with a large, powerful state. And yet, without masculinity, no civilization has any strength, it can not progress, and it can not even sustain itself. And so that is why empires rise and fall, in a cycle like clockwork, a cycle that is unbreakable, inevitable.

The West is going to fall, and perhaps will take the entire world with it this time. I probably won’t be around for it, I’m closer to the end than the beginning, but it will happen, I’m sure of it. And I don’t think it is even that far away, within a half century or so at most.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

shovelheadrider wrote:

dowry: the money, goods, or estate that a woman brings to her husband in marriage.
I see a good many of my friends supporting and spending his hard earned money and most of his “free time” on some other mans children or grand children. Often this is because Gutter Slut step Daughter is out ridding c~~~ carousel, unable or unwilling to provide safe supervision of some other mans children grand children (mom more that likely did the same back in the day).
I do not advocate spitting out red Pill and pursuing Brady Bunch Blue Pill bliss.But I see this endless stream of young woman with children ,stretch marks ,messed up vajayjay’s and boobs tucked into yoga pants. All I hear is man needs to man up and step up.I say women is if you want to buy into the game at least put in the pot limit in.SAY It LOUD,MY S~~~ IS MY S~~~ AND I AM PROUD.All I keep seeing a Woman with nothing to bring to table demanding the life style she never knew.
“She Keep on betting that the dice wont pass,and she ain’t even got clean drawers to pull up on her ass” Ruby Ray Moore

Uh no. Unless I can retire on it as mentioned earlier.

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