Work hard – for what?

[onmywayParticipant 502]

Hi brothers.
I’m still in the early stages of my MGTOW life, and I’m questioning a lot of things in my life.
I just turned 26 years old, and have been “working hard” ever since I was a kid, meaning around 8 years of age. I started playing music at that time, and quickly learned that results come by regular practice. I developed my self discipline over the years to the point where I’m currently able to go for as long as I want in whatever I want. I can sit down and work 4 hours without stop. No problem. I can get up at 4:30 in the morning. No biggie. But for what? What’s the point?
I asked myself this question the other day, and it’s been bugging me. I know I can work my ass off, make a lot of money and buy stuff. But to be honest, I don’t know if I want that. All self-development books, all teachers say that good habits and self-discipline is key to a great and “successful” life, but is this completely true?
When I look back at my 26 years on this earth, I realize that the best moments were not my “big achievements”. I’ve won awards and scholarships for my music skills, as well as my Japanese language skills. But the best memories I have are not those moments. The best moments of my life until now have been for example chilling with some friends, enjoying a BBQ. Or grabbing a beer with a local farmer in Japan. Or hitch-hiking. Or enjoying a cup of tea in the morning.

I guess what I’m trying to say is – is all this work really necessary? Does it make us happy?
I honestly don’t know. But all I know is work. All I know is discipline. I got up at 5 in the morning today, out of pure habit. But for the first time in a long time I couldn’t force myself to work. I’ve been sitting in my chair all day, and I just don’t know where to go from here. On one side I feel guilty for not doing anything “productive”. On the other side I’m p~~~ed off by the fact that I’ve been working my ass off all these years for validation and girls, without ever asking myself the question: why!?

Any ideas and experiences on this from experienced MGTOWs would be highly appreciated.
This place has become the place I go for advice and guidance in life. Talking with family members just turn into: “You’ll figure it out, find a nice girl and have some kids. It will be amazing”. Thanks. But no thanks.

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

Work hard….yes….but only for yourself. Not because you owe anyone anything.

[Dark KenshiParticipant 2132]

I would say to you that you have to look beyond money, status and s~~~, and find something you truly love, be it fixing cars, hiking, or anything you like.

You like to hike? So, what about hiking on top of a glacier?
I don’t know where you live, but you can go to Norway and do that, but for doing that, you will need some money.

I personally am a constructor… I really love to build s~~~, I plan to build my own log house, build with trees cutted by my hands, brew my beer, work on cutlery and blacksmithing, hunt, fish and sow, all done by my hands.
A pretty simple lifestyle, with no neighbors (exceptions only for MGTOW’ers), away from society, away from many s~~~ that hinders my life and make it even more complicated.

Search for it in yourself, brother. As Musashi Sensei once said “there is nothing outside of yourself that can ever enable you to get better, stronger, richer, quicker, or smarter. Everything is within. Everything exists. Seek nothing outside of yourself.”. Sensei was damn right!
Find something that gives you true joy, dedicate some months to find it, experiment with anything that your mind finds amusing, and soon you will find what drives you.

And forgive your family and friends, for they don’t know about what they are talking about. They were raised to be drones, robots in the service line waiting for their fix. Women has no worth beyond sex, and if you are like me (I’m 27 too) and is in full monk mode, they are totally worthless, therefore give them nothing.

Anyway, find what makes you don’t even blink an eye when you are doing it. Something that makes you forget about bath, food, p~~~, s~~~ and sleeping, because it is so addictive to you that when you are doing it, you are totally absorbed by it.

Do it because you want it. Do it because you love it. Do it because you can’t live without it. Do it for YOURSELF!

"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Wait for @BunkerMode ?

[hmskl’dParticipant 6406]

I’ve been hauling compost and manure for three days basically from dawn until dusk and spreading it around the orchards and farm. Last night I finished when the sun was three fingers above the horizon (about 45 minutes of daylight left) .. my clothes stunk and my boots were so dirty that I couldn’t even wear them into the garage. My back was sore from shoveling and riding tractor. I walked into the kitchen in stocking feet and found three pieces of cold day old pizza .. got a diet soda on ice and lay in my hammock watching the sunset. I was totally happy.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

hmskl’d wrote:

I’ve been hauling compost and manure for three days basically from dawn until dusk and spreading it around the orchards and farm. Last night I finished when the sun was three fingers above the horizon (about 45 minutes of daylight left) .. my clothes stunk and my boots were so dirty that I couldn’t even wear them into the garage. My back was sore from shoveling and riding tractor. I walked into the kitchen in stocking feet and found three pieces of cold day old pizza .. got a diet soda on ice and lay in my hammock watching the sunset. I was totally happy.

And that is how it’s done.

Man I bet that pizza & soda was some of the best you’ve had.

Wish I was there.

[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

listen to Tom Likis on youtube.. You are doing good.Put your money to work for you and you will not have to bust your ass all your life,Don’t let women throw your money You can never buy them you just rent them.They can own half your s~~~ if you marry them child support and Vagimony (the f~~~ing you get for the f~~~ing you got

[Anonymous 42]

@littmindre, you’re 26, and know nothing but WORK? Do you have any outdoor interests? The sweetest memories in my head are from outdoor excitement bro! You need to get out more often! S~~~ bro, I spent the equivalence of a house in outdoor expenses! Worth every damn cent! The trick is how you enjoy yourself! Like looking at your friend and laughing because he can’t get out of his own bomb hole (big drop, deep powder). or eating game meat on a snowmobile trail.
The worst thing for your spirit is four walls and boxes! Especially the box with all the cables coming out, and those little flat boxes I see everyone staring into and sliding their fingers on.
The only thing I can’t unplug when I go into the great outdoors is the bombardment of radio waves emitted for, and by, everyone’s electronic box.

[33wolfmanParticipant 216]

Find a hobby you enjoy, I like to restore pre 90’s lawn and garden tractors. It’s the simple satisfaction of taking something somebody else neglected or threw away and bringing it back to a useful state, if not to like new condition. I was raised on a farm, and that is work, sun up to sun down, but I enjoyed it. Why? Because at the end of the day I would look back and see what I had accomplished. You need find something to satisfy your soul, not just your bank account We as men are happy with doing, creating, fixing and improving. Life is about balance, finds something that you are happy with, don’t be just another worker drone.

[Anonymous 42]

33wolfman wrote:

I like to restore pre 90’s lawn and garden tractors.

@woolfman, I have 3 Gravely 450’s with Onan’s CCK series engines (cast iron), they have a planetary transmission and shaft driven implements (Studebaker engineered). The snowblower can eat rocks and spit out gravel! The mower deck can mow cord wood!

I apologize for drifting off topic……

[RoyDalParticipant]

onmyway wrote:

I asked myself this question the other day, and it’s been bugging me. I know I can work my ass off, make a lot of money and buy stuff. But to be honest, I don’t know if I want that.

I prefer living cheaply and doing without a lot of stuff. I’ve tried it the other way and decided it’s not worth the hassle. Consumerism is an addiction I will avoid from now on.

Edit: There used to be a bumper sticker that said: “He who dies with the most toys wins!” I do not agree.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 42]

RoyDal wrote:

“He who dies with the most “BROKEN” toys wins!”

^^^^Fixed^^^^

[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

He who has the wife of the guy that died with l the most toys Dick whipped..He who and gave her pearl neck less not a diamond ring.Letting him brake all his toys is the best revenge she could get for not buying shoes with that money

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

Hey Litt, you’re asking some very important & fundamental questions. +1 on that.

I can see a couple common themes in the memories you shared:

1) Doing guy things with guys, and
2) Hitchhiking – i assume traveling to places you’ve never been? or building social connections with people?

Either way, you’ve hit on two important fundamentals for all men. The first, having a good group of bros; this is essential – no girls allowed. Kind of like mgtow.com.

Second, pursuing your hobbies/passions. This is ultimately why i do my job; don’t get me wrong, i love the work that i do, but i look forward to traveling, volunteering & dancing more than a day in the office, for the most part.

It’s ok if you don’t know what hobbies most interest you. But traveling seems to be one. Perhaps learning other languages is another. Point is, one of the other guys already said it best:

Dark Kenshi wrote:

Do it because you want it. Do it because you love it. Do it because you can’t live without it. Do it for YOURSELF!

That’s the name of the game man. Pursue that fulfillment, accomplishment, joy – all of it, and do it for yourself. And here’s a hint – trying out a bunch of s~~~ to see what you like/don’t like is part of the fun. [But careful of that whole marriage thing, that s~~~ doesn’t work & it’s expensive as f~~~ lol.]

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

I think you should work hard only for a thing you want to work hard for.
If you want to make the world’s best pancakes you start working hard on that.If you want to just sit around, you sit around.
You’re free live free and never feel guilty for “not doing productive things” (of course make sure you do something in order to have basic necessities and s~~~)
Now after all our advice you’ll probably be thinking “ok time to find the thing i like NOW!” most people aren’t going to find it so fast but it will come around.

[NotMyProblemParticipant 965]

I asked myself this same question when I was going through my red pill rage.

The answer is that if your working for money so you could buy things to impress women…. then yes that is meaningless and there is no point.

However if it means you’re working on something that you’re passionate about, so you could buy things that make your life more comfortable… then f~~~ yea

I found that during my MGTOW transition, my drive to work hard and be productive did not stop, it just shifted. For instance I traded in the nice new truck for a beater car. I became less of a hero at work and started building my own infrastructure on the side, so that I could live my own ideal MGTOW type of life.

Just shift the priorities man. If theres nothing to buy, save and invest it. Go on Prosper.com and loan some money to a mangina for her special day. Then each month you get a piece of the principle back plus 8-12% interest. Cha-ching

Not my property... Not my problem

[Anonymous 6]

NotMyProblem wrote:

Just shift the priorities man. If theres nothing to buy, save and invest it.

I like the above suggestion or another option buy real estate to rent out.

[onmywayParticipant 502]

Thank you guys so much for taking the time to answer. A lot of great advice here.
I’ll be trying out different things and meditate on what to do from now.
I do like the idea of finding something I love and going all in!

Again, thank you so much for your input.
You guys are the best!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I don’t think “working hard” is the answer…… as much as working SMART.

After all, hamster on a wheel “works hard” but it gets nowhere, doesn’t it.

Recently I had dinner with a married couple and she had her arms around his shoulders and said “he works SO hard”. Her little pet slave. All I could do was smile because I knew the score.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 42]

Keymaster wrote:

I don’t think “working hard” is the answer…… as much as working SMART.

Bro, you know it! When I was doing the plywood on the house in Vermont, we used 16 ft 2×12 to ramp it up from the ground using 2 ropes, two Vice-grips, and 2 pulleys, attached to each end or the ridge, it was 10 times faster than using the ladder hoist, 50 times safer as each of us had a pull line, and between the two of us (from the ground), could position the plywood perfectly anywhere on the roof, setting the sheet on the plywood already nailed, it was actually FUN instead of WORK! It was like operating a toy crane! Plus the wind couldn’t blow the plywood of the roof taking someone with it! It’s over 26 feet all the way to the ground (where we safely played)!

Work smarter, not harder! Plan things out each morning, rub thoughts with each-other, and it’s amazing how work becomes PLAY!

Just make sure you’re not working with women, all the “fun” goes out the window! Everyone works “harder” not “smarter”, and someone is more likely to get hurt!

I can’t work with women, I just can’t……….

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