wonko – its not easy being a cowardly mgtow that smells bad.

[wonkoParticipant 52]

It takes careful planning, discipline, and practice to fit the persona just right. When shamed and asked if he is ever going to “clean up his act”, wonko explains his three “new years resolutions”: The first is to be more of a hermit doing his own thing. The second is to be less socially polite by learning to stifle his urges towards manners and courtesies. And the third is to take fewer baths; especially washing under the armpits.

If ever wonko un-intentionally wanders close enough to actually overhear a woman’s conversation (which wonko avoids like the plague), wonko carefully examines the sentence structure she uses to identify her intent. A single full sentence is generally enough to send wonko scurrying off. The subtle distinction that reveals her true intensions and her expectations of men’s role: Who or what is in sentence main clause versus modifying dependent clause. Is the lucky fellow in the main clause or an afterthought in the modifying dependent clause. Most always he in his usual position as a modifier to the activity as proposed in the main clause. Does she want to BE WITH HER “MAN” on an adventure. or Does she want to GO ON AN ADVENTURE with her “man”. Does she want him putting on a theatrical persona, mask, to “GO OUT” performing or does she want him to “COME HOME”, and be with her. Does she want him healthy or that mask surgically screwed to his face.

[bigbadwolf74Participant 2]

I remember my first beer.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@bigbadwolf74

You misunderstand Wonko. His post was quite brilliant. He talks about LISTENING. Really LISTENING to what woman is saying and how this gives her away. He just has a very unique style and speaks about himself in the third person. I have a big smile over here.

It does a man good to listen how she talks bout an activity or a plan she wants to engage in. Is her attitude about a man following her? Or is she just as interested in doing what HE wants and coming along for the ride. Is he required to take her out for dinner? Or is she the kind of woman who looks forward to him coming home to enjoy a meal with her.

If she expects him to stand on his hind legs and entertain her, then he would be more rewarded to “go his own way”.

She can get a puppy for that.

He opens with an anecdote about a woman telling a man (him?) to “clean up his act” and do whatever she demands. He will not be swayed by this. On the contrary, he will do the OPPOSITE. If she says he’s a pig, he will NOT shower. If she says he’s not a gentleman, he will STOP extending her any courtesies.

It’s cryptic. But it’s good.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[bigbadwolf74Participant 2]

That was well said.  Then I must apologize, I did misunderstand.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

No apology necessary. I’m quite certain he was expecting it. Cheers. And welcome to the forum.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FitzBonesParticipant 304]

I’m pleased to say @wonko I really enjoyed your 2nd paragraph quite a bit and agree wholeheartedly. Whilst a woman may appear to do and be so many things with her respective partner, her speech gives it all away if one is smart enough to understand how its said, what isnt said and how the sentence structure shows her true regard on the matter

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"

[wonkoParticipant 52]

OK OK wonko will set aside his personality problems that even he doesn’t like to be around. Bang his key board upside down  yet  again in another futile attempt to dislodge that wedged piece of nachos that keeps making the letter “A” stick and struggle to be a little clearer at describing dependent clause banishment.

If she says “I want to have a baby.” He is screwed on so many levels. But looking at just the phrase, what wonko sees is that the bit about who she is to have the baby with is left off. The actual thought is “I want to have a baby with you”. Here the main thought, the adventure, is having the baby and the relationship with the man is secondary. In fact in the first phrase he  is so secondary that he isn’t even mentioned not even as a personal pronoun let alone his actual name. The fact that it is often presented this way not only in public but with the potential father standing beside her is enough to drive poor wonko to the back of the checkout line or a completely different checkout line not to mention hiding over in the automotive department until his heart rate slows back down. So startling is it that he will drop his items whist standing in the checkout line and stunned simply wonder off.

There a version that is even worse. It is the version that uses the singular “we”. The word “we” is different than the word “us.”  The word “we” can mean the plural “us” but the vast majority of the time it is use by women as a camouflaged shortcut for the phrase “I . . . , with him”. The phrase “We went on holiday to the Bahamas” is a contraction for the phrase “I went on holiday to the Bahamas, with him.”  If she were truly interested in him (NAWALT) the phrase would place his proper name in the main clause such as “Robert and I explored a little getaway together at the Bahamas.”

It is the overwhelming use of the singular “we”  by women and even parroted by their clueless men that drives poor wonko spare.
We went to Vegas and saw the big show. We need to get a descent car. What are we going to do this weekend. We got a new sofa that has the checkered pattern I was telling you about last Thursday. And worst of all… When he says “We’re going to have a baby.”

Next time you are just standing in a crowd. Just listen. Now you know why wonko’s behavior is so cowardly bizarre. You may not approve but at least you understand.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

If she says “I want to have a baby.” He is screwed on so many levels. But looking at just the phrase, what wonko sees is that the bit about who she is to have the baby with is left off. The actual thought is “I want to have a baby with you”.

Good ear.

It’s the same s~~~ with “I want to get married”… or “I’m ready to get married. Where is he!”

I remember when a woman I know created an entire Facebook photo album called “MY RING”…. not “the ring HE gave me”.
MY ring. Six more weeks until MY wedding. etc….

5 thumbs up Wonko.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[wonkoParticipant 52]

@keymaster

Gettin free from the goat rope.

wonko is probably not the best person to look at others, his own life being so, how to say “on the fringes”, so perhaps you ought not read this. Unfortunately wonko feels obligated to try. Since wonko’s viewpoint is so bizzar, perhaps it will jog some of the trapped lurkers down a different path that they wouldn’t normally trespass. Especially for those who are better washed yet have far worse prospects for happiness. At least wonko is free from harassment and can go fishing, then wander to the public library, buy groceries and come home for a nice snack. It is not what you would call a fancy life nor even a particularly clean, or even sanitary life but it does belong to wonko.

But even wonko can see that his life style is a step up to many lurkers that are stuck without any good options. Can’t ditch her and really don’t want to live with her anymore either. But it seems to wonko that other more surefooted MGTOWS have been down this path and have come away with extraction tools and tips that were actually field tested successful. The following example tools comes to wonko’s somewhat disorganized mind…

1) The Sun Tzu Art Of War principle that pointing out someone’s flaws is actually helping them identify the path towards balance and healing; even though, you may not like what they are saying or how they are saying it. In contrast, your true enemy is that person that pushes you towards your excesses.

2) MGTOW teaching provides better conceptual framework into women’s innate behavior so MGTOW has a better idea of what her excesses actually (are)….

3) Perhaps the path to freedom is not to pull himself away but rather to push her toward those excesses.

4) It maybe hard for a trapped guy to wrap his head around this… his goal of freedom doesn’t really conflict her “long term goals for herself” (hypergamy). This is especially true if his ship appears to be recently taking on water, sinking, such that she will have to invest a lot of effort to keep him afloat.

5) Flattery encouraging excessive vanity,  praise for the PROGRESS she has made on her face, her figure, legs etc., UPCOMMING accomplishments all of which that put her out of his league.

6) Obsessive non-objective “magic” thinking  ie “mister right” is gonna see her progress and step forward. She will then have a better man, one that she deserves, who  is going to show up soon and she will want to be free when he does show (male disposability).

7) KeyMaster you explained  “No monkey lets go of one branch before having a firm grasp on the next,” but wonko would like to add adds a corollary, “Divorce may be less awful for him if he can arrange for her to have what appears to be that second branch.”

The above is the unsophisticated, unpolished best that unwashed wonko can muster. wonko is sure that smooth slick PUA contributions could sharpen these crude tools and come up with even better ones that various trapped lurking MGTOWS could attempt and report back the field test results to assist the extraction of follow on MGTOWS.

[AposematicParticipant 2671]

Wonko wrote about a Descent car.. and this came to mind.

Afinogyny.. from the Greek Afino {to abandon/ to set down/ to leave /to allow/ to let } + Gyny {Women} MGHOW’s philosophy to not engage women without “hating them”. Narcorca =Narcissistic Orca typically spouting to a bathroom mirror taking an arms length selfie ; Wallinate describes post wall females whose SMV is terminally negligible New Years resolution "To not make women happy" . Instadestitue: yet another Neologism for Men that cohabit with women that decide to pull the handle of intervention orders.

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