Women's Perceptions About How Male Emotions Work

[MadBikerParticipant 169]

I have just watched a movie entitled “You Were Never Really Here” the brief synopsis of which is that an ex US military man who endures psychological troubles caused by both his father’s physical abuse of his mother and the trauma of combat, lives with his mother, and makes a living rescuing abducted/missing girls.

Now before I go any further I should make it clear that I do not have a military background but I do have a policing background. I also do not claim to have engaged in mortal combat and I do not claim to know the psychological effects thereof, I have however had to deal with the results thereof, i.e. dead and dismembered humans.

I watched this film with because I thought that the narrative would provide some entertainment, however, what I was subjected to was the director’s view of what a psychologically traumatised man’s world looked like from the director’s perspective.

What was provided was a narrative that portrayed the man as being unable to deal with his aforementioned psychological trauma and was in effect driving him mad and or suicidal. As I watched this movie and witnessed the emotional turmoil the main character was supposedly enduring, I began to suspect that the writer/director was a woman and on checking the credits at the end, lo and behold, the director was a woman.

Now, speaking from personal experience of dealing with the aftermath death and destruction and having spoken to many people who took the life of another, both military and civilian, I believe that there is one thing that separates male and female psyches in such circumstances.

In my experience, I believe that men have the ability to switch off their emotions, to do what they need to do and not to care about it at the time, almost as if they have an emotional off switch. My experience informs me that women are generally incapable of this ability to disassociate their actions from their emotions.

I would be interested in the views of members who have experience of such matters as to their view on my whether or not my observations about men being able to “switch off” their emotions whilst undertaking unpleasant or difficult tasks and women being unable to is correct.

As to the movie? Well as far as I am concerned it is just another misguided attempt by a woman to explain the male psyche as “damaged” as a result of male violence in early life and military service, both of which they really do not understand.

Gentlemen, your views, comments, and observations, critical or otherwise are welcomed.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

In evolution, a species becomes extinct when it fails to eat, or it fails to reproduce. There are some simple species where both challenges are met by the same individual, (Bacteria, fungus, algae), but dividing these challenges between two different genders allows each to evolve and become specialized at meeting that particular challenge. The species tends to advance further and faster along the evolutionary scale with this arrangement. Vertebrates (fish, mammals, birds, reptiles) are the examples.

Male vertebrates are specialized at assuring that the species eats. Historically, this involved hunting, securing and defending territory, and other high risk, fight-or-flight activities. Males have evolved higher muscle mass to body fat ratio because this allows them to best meet the challenge of securing food (hunting, defending territory). The development of agricultural systems didn’t change this as the higher muscle mass to body fat ratio was still required for the territorial defense and manual work involved. Males also have the ability to shut off or postpone emotions as this is an advantage when engaging in activities that, while necessary for the survival of the species, put the individual at great risk.

Among other differences, women have a higher body fat to muscle mass ratio because this is an advantage for long term metabolic challenges (like pregnancy), and a lower emotional threshold because this evolved as an advantage for nurturing and educating children. These lowered emotional thresholds are a stronger motivation to respond to the needs of children as they arise. However, lower threshold for intense emotions will make an individual more likely to have an emotional melt down in combat, and get the individual slaughtered as a result. There may have once been males without this ability, but as a result, they were less likely to survive long enough to reproduce other males like this. As a result, over thousands of generations, this characteristic has essentially become extinct among human males.

Bluntly: the ability of men to shut off or postpone emotions will increase their ability to function rationally in otherwise terrifying situations, and thereby increase their survivability. They may melt down later (after their enemy, or their dinner, is dead)… hence the term, “post-traumatic stress”. But at the time when performance matters, and rational thinking makes the difference between life and death, men aren’t feeling terror. They aren’t feeling anything at all. They are getting the job done.

Women shame this ability as part of ‘toxic masculinity’, until they need man who has it to serve their needs. Then, they like it just fine. When women need someone to put themselves at risk on their behalf (cop, fireman, soldier, bouncer…) they don’t complain about it at all. They like it just fine. It’s only when their inability to do it makes them inadequate to measure up to or otherwise compete successfully with men that they shame it as something negative.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[GrumpyParticipant]

The title of the “movie” should have been enough advanced warning about the theme, author, and director, as it is an extremely common blame/shame comment from women and weak men.
A woman’s perception is just that, her feminine biased “view”. They have a tendency to make everything out to be worse than what it really is (for themselves), and minimizing everything else for men, unless its shame/blame/guilt.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Brain pilot said it already.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

men, at a young age, have already thought about what they would fight and die for and have accepted that. We are forced to because of things like mandatory military service and many high risk career options we consider. Part of the reason more men kill themselves, I believe, is that we have already accepted that we will die and have probably even come face to face with it several times in our lives, whether an actual threat or perceived one. A samurai, as an example, already has decided under what conditions he will commit seppuku and when the time comes, he does it. So it is with all men. Once that last item on the list is checked off, he will end it and he is already prepared to do it. Women have no such list and most of their suicide attempts are fake and failed. Just cries for attention.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[Anonymous 43]

who let this Brain Pilot guy in, and when did he become a frickin genius?

In all seriousness, we need to look at the sexual dimorphism and evolution of how our bodies were shaped over time to figure out how we are supposed to behave.

Evolution has not caught up to the societal demands, and sure as hell did not evolve to match up with the political and legal world.

Our bodies are still in the hunter gatherer stage.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Women don’t perceive male emotions. They project their own standards and emotions onto men.

Why do women have so many shoes? Because they are incapable of putting themselves in someone else’s.

[ZoidbergParticipant 965]

^^^ I think they do perceive male emotions, but only to the extent that it helps them in their efforts to manipulate men more effectively.

[Just MikeParticipant 393]

Evolution has not caught up to the societal demands, and sure as hell did not evolve to match up with the political and legal world.

Nor should it need to catch up. All those other things are newborn compared to
how far back our evolution as a species goes and how much it still influences us. Forcing the hand (especially unreasonable societal demands vs that evolution) is a big reason why everything’s so f~~~ed up now.

I like looking at life from a hunter-gatherer perspective. It simplifies everything and it seems to be where my mind, as a man, finds a lot of peace.

As for the movie…I watched it a few weeks ago because I’m a fan of Joaquin Phoenix. He didn’t disappoint, as usual, but I don’t think the movie is as straightforward as it seems. Maybe it’s meant to be a metaphor and there are a few theories already out there on what it could potentially be about. Not a bad movie, but I didn’t stop to think about it from the perspective of a female director. Possibly worth another watch to weed through it all.

Society: I refuse your stick and carrot. If you try to beat or shame me you'd better take me down first time. If I want smoke blown up my ass I'll buy a cigar and a length of hose.

[SolidParticipant 7520]

BrainPilot wrote:

Bluntly: the ability of men to shut off or postpone emotions will increase their ability to function rationally in otherwise terrifying situations, and thereby increase their survivability. They may melt down later (after their enemy, or their dinner, is dead)… hence the term, “post-traumatic stress”. But at the time when performance matters, and rational thinking makes the difference between life and death, men aren’t feeling terror. They aren’t feeling anything at all. They are getting the job done.

Women shame this ability as part of ‘toxic masculinity’, until they need man who has it to serve their needs. Then, they like it just fine. When women need someone to put themselves at risk on their behalf (cop, fireman, soldier, bouncer…) they don’t complain about it at all. They like it just fine. It’s only when their inability to do it makes them inadequate to measure up to or otherwise compete successfully with men that they shame it as something negative.

Man, I’ve been through some s~~~, which lead me to read a lot about human behavior and PTST, and I mean a lot, several articles, papers and 3 books on this topic… And you summarized everything, including things that all of them OMITTED ! Brothers, this is why I love this place, in 2 paragraphs someone explained a really complex topic and show the deep reasons of everything.

No matter how much you read about it in every other place, no one will expose what you exposed, that society exploit this behavior when needed (specially for women protection), and judge you, blame you, marginalize you, when they don’t need you putting your life in danger for them.

We need some hall of fame to put some epic posts/answers like these.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

BrainPilot wrote:

Women shame this ability as part of ‘toxic masculinity’, until they need man who has it to serve their needs. Then, they like it just fine. When women need someone to put themselves at risk on their behalf (cop, fireman, soldier, bouncer…) they don’t complain about it at all. They like it just fine. It’s only when their inability to do it makes them inadequate to measure up to or otherwise compete successfully with men that they shame it as something negative.

And then to top it all off, when a woman wants to be a cop or a soldier, they lower the standards to make sure that we have “equality”. So, she isn’t as physically strong as the men around her, and she doesn’t have that mental “off” switch. When the ability to think without emotion is a life or death situation, she most likely won’t be able to handle it.

Sounds good. What could possibly go wrong?

Order the good wine

[Black MaskParticipant 1572]

Many golden comments here. Women are solipsistic narcissists therefore I don’t think they really give a f~~~.

"Man honesty is misogyny." - Patrice O'Neal

[MadBikerParticipant 169]

Gentlemen once again thanks for your inputs. It’s always good to hear other points of view or experiences. As the for TaxGuy’s comments about women wanting to be cops… well as an ex detective i could write a couple of books on that subject.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

There’s no such thing as an “attempt by a woman to explain the male psyche”.
Everything women say about men is meant for women’s benefits, and for women’s benefits only.
They actually PRETEND to “attempt to explain the male psyche” but their words are actually calculated to give them some benefits.

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