Women's depressing lack of integrity

[arnquistParticipant 11]

I met a girl recently who was exactly my type; sexy, petite Japanese girl, great smile, intelligent, well traveled, bilingual, funny, could hold a good conversation, but also a bit shy. The problem was that she had a boyfriend. I wasn’t consciously trying to do the PUA thing with her, that’s just kind of the way my personality has naturally become with women over time. After hanging out a few times she was all over me. We made out a couple times and I could have easily taken her home on more than one occasion. But, my stupid sense of honor and the fact that I have been cheated on before (so I know how that feels) prevented me from doing it.

Somehow, in spite of everything I’ve learned about how backwards female psychology is, I expected her to have the strength to decide for herself. Now I realize that telling her I didn’t want to take her home because she had a boyfriend (I didn’t want to be “that guy”) what I perceived as an act of integrity, she perceived as an act of weakness. Now she tells me that she felt guilty so she talked to her boyfriend about it and guess what? The poor blue piller forgave her!

This must be exactly what happened when my ex cheated on me. Some guy chatted her up, she gave in and went home with him and kept it a secret from me until she was sure she was happier with the new guy. It’s sickening. I know could have easily just used her for sex, but I respect people too much, I didn’t want to put her relationship at any more risk than it already was from us making out. Whatever, let them live their blue pill fantasy.

[VileNordParticipant 766]

Hey Arnquist!

This can never be overstated! Honestly, if you expect a woman to maintain the abstract ideal of a male virtue like integrity, you are checking out of reality. Interaction with women is far more enjoyable and a lot less depressing if you view them as a separate species that literally cannot operate on your wavelength. And this is what they are, in their cranium, an entire species unto themselves. It is a pragmatic view of women, but even they will admit it.

Lust for comfort suffocates the soul

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Integrity is the opposite of hypocrisy. Those who hold integrity as a virtue expect hypocrites to account for their discrepancies or alter their beliefs. The modern/western female the most outrageously privileged hypocrite human ever to roam the Earth. But why?

One can have special privileges and differential treatment….

– OR –

One can have RESPECT.

One can NOT. HAVE. BOTH.

To hang on to her privileges, the modern woman will sell out anything. Including her own integrity. Vlie Nord’s quote “honor is male abstraction. don’t expect women to understand” is so fantastic because women see no value in it. She sees more value (and will even be rewarded!) by pretending to hate being sexually objectified… while not having ANY problem with the benefits she enjoys from showing her ass and t~~~. This is only one way in which women work extremely hard to make sure they can’t be respected. Fighting and voting for the right to walk around topless, but then COMPLAIN when men look at her t~~~? This is a hypocrisy of a magnitude that can’t even be expressed with words.

Men would rather have self respect. We will DIE for what we believe in. No matter how many people say the world is flat, a man will roll up his sleeves and cross the worlds most tempestuous oceans – at great cost to himself – just to find out if the world is indeed ROUND. A woman wouldn’t and never will. She will adopt any philosophy or ideology- no matter how ridiculous – simply because the herd does, and if it’s “safe” and benefits her. They don’t have the B~~~~ to go against the grain. Because they can’t afford it. It would mean forfeiting her pussy pass, and she would rather die than do that.

Big respect for staying true to yourself.

Women will never look at you with admiration and think “gosh he’s a stand-up guy and didn’t try to f~~~ me because I had a boyfriend.” No way. in her mind, this is a rejection and you’re “weak’. “MEN ARE CHEATERS SHOULD KEEP IT IN THEIR PANTS!!!!! AND IF THEY DONT WANT TO F~~~ ME BEHIND MY BOYFRIENDS BACK THEY ARE COWARDS!!!!”

How women have this kind of s~~~ for brains is staggering.
It’s a good thing babies have a 50% shot at being male.. or we would all be completely screwed.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[arnquistParticipant 11]

Thanks VileNord, good advice. 🙂

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Hi Arnquist. Welcome! And thanks for sharing. Had a similar situation when my best friend was drunk and his girl refused to get in the car with him. They were fighting about it, so she asked me a for a ride. I would do this for anyone I know who had been drinking, so we stopped at my place to pick up a jacket and the car. All of sudden she starts getting fresh and she really tested me behind his back. Not following through and telling her I don’t do that severely p~~~ed her off, because now she looked like a tramp who was totally willing to screw around on him…. and I had to be the one to stop it. So she did everything imaginable to avoid making sure I never had the opportunity to tell him about it.

Women are a mass of inconsistency.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RabidcavemanParticipant 57]

Integrity and women. I can shovel snow with a toothbrush better than try to explain integrity to women.

The OP’s part about the fact that she saw him as weak because he didn’t take her, is spot on.
But who is worse off?

The sucker that forgave her.
There are men like this everywhere and the only way to force their eyes open, is to call women out on every little thing they do.

[Rock St.EddieParticipant 129]

Great insight here.

I can shovel snow with a toothbrush better than try to explain integrity to women

Boy you said it Caveman. “integrity” is one of the most Googled words because it’s so damn lacking.

[Primus_PilusParticipant 41]

<cite>@mgtow.com said:</cite>
One can have special privileges and differential treatment….

– OR –

One can have RESPECT.
One can NOT. HAVE. BOTH.

Felt a need to correct this

One can have

UNEARNED

special privileges and differential treatment…

– OR –

One can have RESPECT.
One can NOT. HAVE. BOTH.
There are times and places where privileges and preferential treatments are earned
(example: veterans and certain hiring practices [Post office, Federal jobs])

[KeymasterKeymaster]

A very valid point, and I’m glad you knew what I meant enough to clarify further.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[JanglesParticipant 18]

I’ll admit I like to hold myself an honorable man but there was a time in my youth when I pondered over the validity of that behavior construct.

I mean, honor is binding, it keeps you from doing things, sometimes things you want to do (not you yourself professed that you like this girl and state the boyfriend as an obstacle for better or worse) but you didn’t. And my question here is what did it gain you?

Honor promotes respect from your peers, and in today’s age its mostly male peers but I mean we can get respect in other ways. Achievement is in our society at least independent from honor, yet garners respect. Don’t get me wrong I’m not suggesting you abandon it, but I’d like to hear what every one else has to say for a why (Apologies but I like to play me some devils advocate)

As for excluding women from it I think is doing everyone ourselves included a disservice. To be fair I’d say it is more related to masculinity from both experience and historically speaking, but any one is capable of standing up for a belief. Early christian saints, many of whom were women did it for their religion. Women of today I’ll agree that women of today have no honor, but so too can it be said of many of our men.

Another for every one question, how would you define honor? and please dont just espouse a dictionary definition. While workable I doubt it sums up all of what you mean when you say.

[VileNordParticipant 766]

@jangles

In my estimation, being honorable means choosing the moral high ground when no one else is looking. Having the willpower to overcome emotional impetus and the ability to sacrifice desire SOLELY for morality’s sake.

This is why it is an abstract notion and therefore more readily understood by the male mind. No one who is well in the head would argue that all men are honorable, but the rashness of emotion driven female behavior can be observed at almost every turn. This is why it is said that women have no honor; because the majority of women behave as if they have no honor and the few that are the exception do not constitute the rule. These early christian saints of whom you speak were not honorable under my definition because they were acting under the incessant gaze of God. They were never “alone” and therefore never had to face the crucible of pitting their honor against it’s greatest enemy, themselves.

Lust for comfort suffocates the soul

[McQueenParticipant 77]

Honor and loyalty in the business world are gone. Men, have no illusions about that. Look out for number one. A company will fire you without a thought for your life or family if profits dip 0.1%, just like a woman will divorce you if she’s not haaaaaaapy right this very minute. Jangles is right on about honor disappearing as result of rampant sociopathy in our culture. You can be well-intentioned and extremely honorable character who doesn’t break his b~~~~ or his word for anyone, but the man or women shaking your hand has no idea what that means. I’m not saying screw people over. Just be careful out there.

[JanglesParticipant 18]

@ VileNord That’s a really solid point. Hadn’t really considered the idea that ‘acting with god’ or whatever essentially is doing it because some one is watching. I suppose its not something I personally think about.

Question is how you bring it back? other than just living by example and telling ever one who can’t/doesn’t to f~~~ off?

[VileNordParticipant 766]

Question is how you bring it back?

The key thing that I do, and I believe this has the greatest impression on people, is to always keep my promises and to NEVER make an excuse when I break a promise. This is harder than it seems because I am talking about being a man of your word even when you don’t use the word “promise”. When I got hired at my current job, I “non-verbally” promised that I would show up on time everyday. A couple of months ago I had an issue where my car would not start and I was going to be late for work. I didn’t call my boss and whine and complain and make an excuse, I said “I am so sorry I won’t be able to keep my word and show up on time today, I promise to stay late and make it up and then some”. He was simply astonished that I viewed showing up to work on time as a promise. This no doubt left a positive impression with him that can only benefit me in the future.

On the other side of the coin, I used to work for a manager who would promise things left and right and they would never happen. He would tell tales of hyperbolic proportions about his exploits with women and such and it was all obviously bulls~~~. I was quick to surmise that this man’s word meant nothing and therefore I viewed him as nothing. Being a man of your word is so rare in this day that you honestly stand out simply by keeping your promises. Depressing thought huh?

But even harder still is keeping a promise to yourself. If you decide to go on a diet, go back to school, etcetera….be prepared to consider these decisions as promises you make to yourself. If you can’t keep a promise you made to yourself, then how do you expect other people to give your word any validity?

Lust for comfort suffocates the soul

[TheBardParticipant 974]

That sucks dude. She sounds like my type too, but I wouldn’t have done anything either considering she had a boyfriend. Don’t let her get you down though. I am sure dating her and having sex with her all the time sounds great, but remember if she was willing to cheat on boyfriend at the time and considered you weak for not sleeping with her then what is stopping her from doing the same with another guy while you were dating her? Like mentioned earlier her boyfriend is suffering more then you and the fact he forgave her makes him pretty pathetic as if he was in the same situation she wouldn’t forgive him. I was actually in a similar situation myself last month. My ex contacted me again since she worked close to me now and was telling me about how she hates her current boyfriend and she is unhappy. One day she was talking to me outside my house about how terrible her life is with her boyfriend and telling me how much she missed dating me and our sex life. My family was even gone for a few days at the time, but she said she wasn’t a cheater and didn’t try anything further. As much as I wanted to have sex with her I wasn’t sure if dating her again would work out and I didn’t want to be that guy either so I was happy she didn’t want to take it further and make me turn her down.

A feminist once told me that the “reason” this doesn’t make sense is because a swim suit is made to be seen by everyone while under wear isn’t. Naturally I have seen swim suits that cover less then under wear not to mention tons of girls cosplay in costumes that show their under wear or enough t~~~ and ass to leave little to the imagination. Leave it to a woman to think there is a difference to walking around in a bra compared to a bikini top. And woman want to be able to walk around shirtless like men? Ladies if you complain about men seeing you in a bra how do you expect to go around shirtless lol.

[arnquistParticipant 11]

Thanks for all of your insights everyone! ^_^
I questioned and regretted my decision a lot, that’s why I made this post. Turning down sex is not something I have much experience with, so it felt very strange. At first I thought it was a reflex of the morality I learned during my Mormon childhood, which kind of p~~~ed me off because I spent so many years unlearning that. But I decided in the end it was just because she had a boyfriend and if she cheated on her boyfriend with me, what would prevent her from cheating on me with some other guy in the future.

Also, the way she was coming on to me, (denying she was flirting, blaming it on the alcohol, not answering my questions directly because she was too “shy” etc) made it very easy to imagine her twisting things and making me out to be the bad guy. I’m guessing that’s exactly what she did to get her boyfriend to forgive her, painting me as the aggressive one when in reality I was just talking a lot and she was the one throwing herself at me >_<

I’m still hanging out with her occasionally, trying to politely call her out on her double standards, but I’m starting to think I’m just wasting my time. :/

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I will attest to that. Women are like monkeys. They don’t let go of one branch until they have a really good grip on the next. When I first heard that, (Mission Impossible II) I thought it was just funny. A few short years later, I found out it was true – time and time again. If a girl cheats to be with you, she will cheat ON you.

You absolutely MUST shame sluts. And if you know she’s involved with someone (almost ALL of them deny and hide it to land a better prospect)….. before anything happens, you tell her if she f~~~s you now and you find out she’s attached, you will dump her on the spot.

YES call her out. Women need to be called out on their s~~~ and publicly humiliated whenever possible.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TheBardParticipant 974]

<cite>@arnquist said:</cite>
but I’m starting to think I’m just wasting my time. :/

You are wasting your time and I know it can be hard to see that and let go. I am guilt of doing that too, but like keymaster said she will cheat on you so don’t let yourself keep liking her.

[Primus_PilusParticipant 41]

<cite>@mgtow.com said:</cite>
I will attest to that. Women are like monkeys. They don’t let go of one branch until they have a really good grip on the next. When I first heard that, (Mission Impossible II) I thought it was just funny. A few short years later, I found out it was true – time and time again. If a girl cheats to be with you, she will cheat ON you….

Now I have to go watch MI II (never saw it)
The best summary for a woman’s behavior that has served me well through time.

If she will do it FOR you, she will do it TO you.

[TheLurkerParticipant 269]

Every time I see a MGTOW forum about women being sluts and cheating, it makes me even more glad that I will always be single. In my school, every teenage boy I know is throwing away their friends, self-respect, and what makes them a man, just for a tiny chance of getting snatch. I’ve even seen a teenage boy wearing a feminist shirt saying “We can do it!”. It was a disgusting sight. I’m so joyful that as a young teenage boy, I know how women operate and don’t play their game. Unfortunately for me, i’m now being taught how to be a gentleman. And by the end of the day, I have to de-program myself with more MGTOW forums and videos. Again, thank you so much MGTOW for saving me so much stress and misery in the future. I’m happy that I found MGTOW and won’t have to worry about getting married and getting screwed over by the family court system.

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