Women in Fiction

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

Some of you might know that I like writing and all that stuff. Well, recently I took a look back at some of the stuff I’ve been working on. Let’s just say the portrayal of women isn’t a honest one. It’s a basic story, but the women
-Take responsibility for their actions
-Aren’t stuck up hypergamous c~~~s
-Appreciate men
-Respect men
-Aren’t shallow, intellectually devoid lady babies

I’m sitting there thinking, am I being dishonest? Not portraying women as I think and KNOW they are? It’s fiction after all, so I don’t know if I should throw a REAL WOMAN in there who’s everything we know women are. IDK, because I like the idea of women as blue pill men, I love that idea, but I can see the facts, I see reality, and I know women are not that way at all.

So, IDK, it’s a point I’ve never really thought about before, like maybe I was unknowingly playing into the whole mangina/ white knight s~~~ by being dishonest to the reader about how women actually are.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[hmskl’dParticipant 6406]

Science fiction allows a writer to do almost anything simply by the definition of the word.
For example, what would a female Vulcan be if she wasn’t responsible for her actions and intellectually deep? She prefers meditation over romance except during rare pan far and although
I can’t necessarily say she appreciates men, I do believe she respects her crew mates as equals.
Vulcan woman is about as far from the typical real life awalt as can be imagined, yet great fiction.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

Trying to define a “real woman” is likely trying to define a “real man”. It is to generic and subjective a term. If you try to do so, all you will get is an uninteresting wallflower.

Characters need motivations, and they need flaws. Also, one has to factor in a characters live experiences in their personality.

A person, of either gender, that has to deal with life and death situations, tends to be more honest with those they trust. And they tend to have a better handle on their priorities and desires in life.

This is why I can fully see honest women in adventure stories. These characters are in life and death situations. If they are not honest with themselves, and others (they trust), they are likely going to get themselves, and maybe others, killed.

From a personality standpoint, you might find it interesting that the list would fit Rey (Star Wars Episode 7)to a ‘t’. It is Rey’s abilities that are in question. Not her personality.

“Take responsibility for their actions”

Rey does do this.

“Aren’t stuck up hypergamous c~~~s”

Rey works for a living. And nowhere in the movie is she looking to live off of someone.

“Appreciate men” “Respect men”

Rey has show appreciation and respect towards men whom are nice to her.

“Aren’t shallow, intellectually devoid lady babies”

Rey is shown to be caring and interested in those around her, whom are not trying to harm her. And she can hold a decent conversation with people.

Now, when is comes to writing in general. Some readers forget, that while those that write have “ideal characters” in their stories, to write a good story, a writer has to get inside the minds and see the points of view of every character the writer rights about.

hmskl’d wrote:

Science fiction allows a writer to do almost anything simply by the definition of the word.
For example, what would a female Vulcan be if she wasn’t responsible for her actions and intellectually deep? She prefers meditation over romance except during rare pan far and although
I can’t necessarily say she appreciates men, I do believe she respects her crew mates as equals.
Vulcan woman is about as far from the typical real life awalt as can be imagined, yet great fiction.

Now all women in real life are for romance. Some of the women become nuns, devoting themselves to a life of service and piety.

Just as some men become monks, some women become nuns.

[Anonymous 29]

All I have to say about this is that women in general only come to anything resembling rational thinking
is when life,limb or survival are in question. All else is fiction .

[PacifistParticipant 143]

Does the story allow a plot twist that the woman is revealed as a man in drag?

[The Moth Attracted to the FlameParticipant 2982]

Just create a deep female character, regardless or whether she respects men or not. That’s the whole point of fiction: being a character that doesn’t exist but is still relatable. That’s why I hate it when women peer through video games and want it to be more connected with women. Make her a woman of average size, someone who’s “independent” or non-sexualized. Just do what you want. You have to make people wonder and decipher your material in order to have discussion.

What matters is that you think you’re honest.

[AttonParticipant]

Do both one woman who is a hypergamous as hell and one who is like a war hero.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Sky-OParticipant 18934]

Years ago, I bought the book ‘The Fountainhead’ (by Ayn Rand) because I had read that she depicted her version of what a real / ideal woman would be in one of the main characters.

I read the book. . . . .

The main female character Dominique Francon bangs a bunch of guys throughout the book, then finally at the end she decides she wants to be with Howard Roark and they get married.

I was confused because Howard Roark was supposed to be Ayn Rand’s version of an ideal man and the story ended with him finally being with / getting married to Dominique Francon after she spent the entire book banging other guys.

And as I sat, somewhat confused, I remembered that the author of the book, was a woman.

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