Women can't find good men…well where the hell are the good women?

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Hey guys, first time poster here:)  Been lurking for a while, just decided to join today.  This started off as a “brief” response to another post…but it turned into a giant rant so I thought I’d start a new topic.  Anyways…a little about myself and what lead me to this website…

Pretty much my game plan in life was use my 20’s to set up from when I’m 30+ rather than digging a hole in my 20’s and spending most of my adult life trying to get above water.  I worked a labor job from 18+ to pay for school…10 years of not taking a vacation from work or going on any trips anywhere and I finished with my second degree with no student debt at all at 28.  I also bought a condo at 22 rather than renting and have enough cash to pay it off whenever I want but considering I’m paying less than 3% on it I’m in no rush.  So needless to say…I’ve spent a good chunk of my life as a part time college student…while I was busting my ass setting myself up for future success I have stumbled upon plenty of women getting some joke degrees, piling up the debt(using student loans for cars and spring break trips), and generally putting more effort into the c~~~ carousel than actually planning for their future…which is kinda sad considering how expensive college is these days.

Its pretty funny how it works though…I’m not a bad looking guy, I keep myself in shape, I’m generally polite and respectful to people, and was already a red piller by the time I was 19.  My mangina phase ended shortly after I was out of highschool, I’ve had a few girlfriends over the years, I’ve never been a doormat/pushover in them, I just haven’t found one worth keeping for more than 6 months, and finding the next gf has never been a priority for me since I kept so busy with school, work, and just doing things with friends.  If I stumbled upon a cool chick that was interested that didn’t immediately raise red flags I’d get to know her better but I’ve never got into just chasing anything with a vag to get laid.  I guess you could say I’ve been looking(and still am) for the unicorn, I’m just not one of those guys that loses common sense soon as I’m getting some from a girl.

Anyways…fast forward a bit…I’m 31 now.  From my years spent as a laborer(union job) I built up enough time to get a nice chunk of a pension when I retire(over 2600 a month), I bought a new car recently and paid cash for it, and I have no debt other than a small mortgage(30k with a 410 dollar a month payment lol).  I recently got a job where I’ll be making 75k a year base pay + overtime, bonuses(other guys on my team all grossed 100k+ last year), on the job training that over the next 5 years will bump my base pay up over 100k, a company funded pension plan, a 401k match, great insurance…and most importantly its something I actually enjoy doing.  So needless to say…I’m doing quite well financially and career wise for a 31 year old at this point…a fat bank account, minimal debt, a sweet job I enjoy, and I’ll be collecting two pensions when I retire 20-30 years down the road.

But then…I come into contact with women around my age, I’d really like to find someone on my level and good f~~~ing luck, at a minimum for me to even consider getting to know someone…no kids, no fatties, and no drunks/druggies.  Probably 75% of them can’t even meet those 3 very reasonable criteria, and if they can make it past the initial screening, most of them can’t pass phase 2…no excessive riding of the c~~~ carousel.  Here’s the way I look at it…I have enough fingers to count my number of partners on, I’ve made it a point in life to stay clean and keep my number down(yeah, I’ve turned down desperate whores throwing themselves at me plenty of times, no, I’m not a creepy goober that couldn’t get laid if my life depended on it despite what feminists might say about those of us not currently still on the plantation) in hopes that some day I’d find a female with the same mind set and it would be something we would both respect the other for doing.  I’m not expecting a virgin, but when some girl that’s like 27 fesses up to having had 16 partners already…I’m smart enough to assume she’s low balling, and needless to say I’m no longer interested in a whore of that magnitude.  I don’t think a lot of partners makes her a bad person…it just makes her someone I’m not interested in throwing my dick in.

Plus like I talked about above…the whole financial aspect of a relationship at this point.  I’m pretty sure at this point my net worth is like top 10% easy for people near my age.  I’m not even talking about just women here…most people around my age are swimming in student loan debt and car payments while barely even being able to afford a crappy apartment(assuming they haven’t move back home yet), and a crap job market for the last 10 years hasn’t helped my generation much.  So if I do decide to say f~~~ it in the near future and keep a woman around more so because I want kids then I actually want a woman around, there is almost a 100% chance she will be making a lot less money than I do, will be bringing debt to the table instead of assets, and at some point(even if I had a prenup, or never got married) I’d be stuck subsidizing her lifestyle by paying her excessive child support because I have a fairly high income.

Honestly I could care less about the financial aspect at this point…if I met someone I actually considered a catch, that happened to have some lingering student debt or debt from a health issue or something it wouldn’t be a deal breaker…I just wanted to establish that with the current feminist idea of equality its comical how for young women a man in a poor financial state with poor future income prospects is almost always a deal breaker, where as for successful young men they really don’t expect a young woman to be in decent financial shape because they know how rare it is.

Its ridiculous at this point…every time I read an article about needing to man up and marry, or where have all the good men gone…where the f~~~ have all the real women gone?  All I can seem to find is single moms who try to tell me its my loss if I don’t want to get to know them, or fatties with a princess mentality who think they are a 10.  I don’t even mind a little extra…if your talking 10lbs…but when I say fatties I mean girls that would have to drop 40+lbs to be height/weight proportional.  If you are 5’3 and 170lbs…you aren’t curvy, you are fat!

I don’t know how many times I’ve had an older platonic female friend, relative, neighbor, or co-worker ask me why I’m still single, I seem like such a great catch blah blah, and I usually just give them some generic response(well I guess its kinda true) like “I’m still looking, maybe I’ll find the right one soon.”  In reality all I could think is I know I’m a great catch…wish I could find one.

I’m quite close to my grandmother, and was talking to her fairly recently, and she was asking if I was seeing anyone at the moment, and I told her no, and she starting talking about how I really need to find someone to go through life with, and she started talking about my grandfather who died about 5 years back.  She was talking about how they were PARTNERS…he told her don’t worry about the money, I’ll take care of that, you just take care of the kids(eventually 4) and the house.  They married in their early 20’s stayed together for 50+ years until my grandfather passed, and were one of the rare couple that actually seemed happy together, and would do it all again the exact same way if they could wind the clock back.  All I could think was…well when the two of you got married, you hadn’t already spent a decade on the c~~~ carousel before you settled down(no diseases, less emotional baggage, and in my opinion less partners generally equals better long term prospect), divorce was actually taboo at the time so my grandfather wasn’t flipping a coin on financial destruction, and you were young enough that neither of you really brought any significant assets/debts to the table.

I guess it goes to show how far feminism has actually hurt the whole male/female dynamic in society.  Just to clarify if there are any feminist lurkers here…I’m not expecting a domestic slave.  If I got married/had kids in the near future I’d love to have a stay at home mom for a few years until the kid(s) were in school, mainly because I’d rather have the mother of my children with them during their early years rather than shipping them off to daycare as soon as possible…but after that she should go back to work.  Housework is so easy these days its not the full time job it used to be…doing laundry for example…you push a few buttons and watch tv for a half hour, then throw it in the dryer…its not like people have to do it by hand, and hang it all up to dry like they did in my grandparents early days.  You really don’t even have to iron anymore as long as you fold stuff while its hot out of the dryer.  Same for cooking…meats are all pre-cut, less people seem to tend a garden or grow any of their own stuff these days, pre-made meals are easy to whip together last minute…its not like back in the day when my grandmother would actually make everything from scratch, or do things like buy a whole chicken and use all of it rather than just go pay more for breasts because they are easy to toss on the grill.  If its a partnership and I’m putting 50-60 hours a week in between work and housework, my partner better damn well be doing the same or that is a pretty s~~~ty partnership…that’s equality…right feminists?

I grew up with a stay at home mom.  When my brother in I were of school age…she would literally watch us get on the bus in the morning at 7am or w/e, and was totally free until around 3pm when the bus dropped us off.  Maybe she had a couple days a week she’d do laundry, which consisted of watching tv and running downstairs to change loads on commercials, then bringing it upstairs and folding it, while watching tv.  She cooked dinners for the family…so maybe 1 hour worth of effort per day?  She did all the family shopping, groceries, etc…so maybe 2 hours a week tops, and anything additional was just her wasting money on dumb stuff.  She kept the house clean and orderly as well…so maybe a couple hours a week here?  All together her “job” consisted of maybe 10 hours a week of actual work + a little driving here and there to bring my brother and/or myself to some sort of practice or class or w/e at night time.  Meanwhile my dad probably averaged 60 hour weeks at work during that time period, so that my mom could stay home…AND SHE WOULD BITCH ABOUT IT!  WTF YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.  She not only bitched about it while we were growing up like she was the one making huge sacrifices, even though she would go out for lunch/daytrips with her friends/sisters probably 2-3 days a week average while we were at school/dad at work, and all summer long she’d be free to go to the beach or w/e she wanted to do, she’d just drag my brother and I along where ever she felt like going that day.  I mean…WTF…you spent your summer hanging out on the beach with your kids and whoever else you invited along while my dad worked all day and somehow he got the better deal…LOL?  What was even worse was when my brother and I were a bit older she actually threw it in my dads face one time right in front of us how he was a terrible father who didn’t spend a lot of time with us and she practically raised.  I called her out on her bulls~~~ on the spot…my father did things with us…just not a lot because he was working all the time so her sorry ass could be around with us.  Sure I would have loved to spend more time with him growing up, what kind of son didn’t love hanging out with dad…but I respect him for what he did, and my mom’s p~~~ poor attitude about the whole situation made me absolutely positive I’m never going to do what he did.

Way to go feminism…you ruined women in just 1 generation.  While my grandmother described my grandfather as a partner, and was happy he could provide enough for the family that she could stay at home and take care of things on that end, my grandfather would often say even though my grandmother didn’t have a “job” she was the hardest working woman he ever met.  They both appreciated the other and respected what the other brought to the table.  Meanwhile…my mother had the same opportunity, only the role of house keeper has gotten nothing but easier and less time consuming over the last 60 years, and she had the nerve to throw it in my father’s face that he was a poor father?  Again, I’d never expect a domestic slave out of a relationship…but staying at home taking care of 4 kids 50-60 years ago was a lot more work then taking care of 2 kids 20-30 years ago(thanks to technology and society becoming throw away).  Why is it the one who did it when I’d actually consider it a full time job did it happily, and the one who did it when it was like a 10 hour a week job bitched about it and thought working 60 hours a week at a regular job was actually fun somehow?

So anyways…here I find myself at 31…I’m good looking, I’m in shape, I have a sense of humor but know when to be serious, I have some good friends, actually like most of my family/extended family enough to keep in touch with, stop by for a visit when I’m not busy, and spend holidays with, I have a great career, I’m in awesome shape financially, I own my own place, I have a nice car, I don’t have any kids yet, or any baggage for that matter, no stds, and I’m not opposed to a ltr with a woman or a commitment phobe, I’m just not a pussy whipped idiot who is willing to settle just to not be single.  I think I got this whole life thing figured out, and most of the time I feel like I’m winning the game…but the one thing I really can’t wrap my finger around is the stupidity of modern day American women.  If I could find one that could honestly say what I have just said in this paragraph I’d be more than interested in settling down with one…but I’m pretty sure they don’t exist anymore.

Just for some examples…my last two gf’s.  One was 70k in debt, made like 15 bucks an hour(went to school social work, not a high paying field), crappy car, could barely afford her rent at a scummy apartment, was constantly hitting her dad up for money to make ends meet, gained about 20lbs over the time we were seeing each other, and said I was guy #12.  Yup…that’s a catch lol.  The other one…had a little student debt but was working in the medical field so she made decent money.  Probably 60-70k range, so financially at least she was solid.  Always dodged when I tried to find out what her number was…I never did find out but let’s face it…if she wouldn’t fess up it was obviously a number she was ashamed of.  The biggest deal breaker though…when I had met her, she had recently broke up with a live in boyfriend and had moved back into her parents house.  Literally less than a month after meeting her she wanted to move in with me.  It wasn’t that she couldn’t afford her own place…she just was an overall manipulative person and other than a kid, living together is the second biggest tool of leverage I could give to her.  Needless to say…she got her own place because I’m not an idiot, and a few months later when things ended between us, she moved in with some other guy less than a month after lol.

TLDR: Women are always telling men to man up, which basically means they want us to live up to some ridiculous standards.  The problem is, women no longer hold themselves to any standards.  Why can’t they find a good man anymore?  Well simple…because a good man wants a good woman, and most modern women no longer qualify.  Where are all the good men?  Well…they are either going their own way, or playing the field because getting laid is so easy, why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?

[chirParticipant]

As Turd Throwing Monkey said: “She’ll Never Love You.”   She will love your resources and potential for supporting her and more importantly, her spawn.  Its genetic.  They are hardwired this way.   Thanks to feminism and birth control she can now enjoy the c~~~ carousel for her 20’s and then lock in a resource supply (you) and pump out some spawn to satisfy the hardwired biological baby clock.  So if women are determined to ride the c~~~ carousel while they are young its up to us to supply the c~~~.  Just remember she is always thinking “Is this one who has the resources I deserve?”  If you do they will turn on the manipulation and be looking to lock you in by hook or crook.  They can’t help it.  They are genetically hardwired that way.  As long as you keep that fact in your brain and don’t let the little brain think for you, you will be fine.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

chir wrote:

As Turd Throwing Monkey said: “She’ll Never Love You.” She will love your resources and potential for supporting her and more importantly, her spawn. Its genetic. They are hardwired this way. Thanks to feminism and birth control she can now enjoy the c~~~ carousel for her 20’s and then lock in a resource supply (you) and pump out some spawn to satisfy the hardwired biological baby clock. So if women are determined to ride the c~~~ carousel while they are young its up to us to supply the c~~~. Just remember she is always thinking “Is this one who has the resources I deserve?” If you do they will turn on the manipulation and be looking to lock you in by hook or crook. They can’t help it. They are genetically hardwired that way. As long as you keep that fact in your brain and don’t let the little brain think for you, you will be fine.

This is why I refuse to place any long term value on a woman who’s number is in the double digits.  Worst case scenario they are a whore and simply place no value at all on a relationship…they just want dick + money, but they’ll take your money if you have it + whatever other dick they feel like.  Best case scenario they have really been looking to settle down their whole life but just haven’t found the right guy yet…in which case, it leaves me wondering, is this chick beyond stupid that she allowed herself to be used that many times and not learn, or is she really what I’d consider a worst case scenario but smart enough to at least attempt to not make it so obvious.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Just found this:

Where Did All The Good Men Go?

 

Satire by AldenHamil

 

I am a woman of Generation Y and I’ve just turned 29 years old. I’ve been looking for Mr. Right since I was 26 and there’s one little problem I keep running into: There are no Mr. Rights lining up to marry me! I know I’m not alone here, because I’ve seen plenty of articles on the Internet about women just like me having the same problem. I really don’t know what’s wrong with me, and why men aren’t more interested in me.

 

I’ll admit… I’ve made some mistakes. Like most women of my generation, I grew up being taught that I could do anything I wanted, and that there’d never be consequences for my actions. I was always taught that I deserved the world, and that my entire life would fall into perfect harmony any time I wanted it to, including marriage, promptly by the age of 30. You see, being taught these notions as a little girl, I decided to do what most of my girlfriends did: once I got out of high school, I spent the next ten years “finding myself” by spending all of my free time chain-smoking cigarettes and getting drunk in bars and clubs. There were many men I got involved with during this period of my life. None of them were the wholeseome kind of men you could build a life with, but I didn’t care. I wanted action. I wanted excitement and drama. I knew those men never cared about me and only wanted sex, but I gave it to them anyway. Some of them hit me, and a few smashed in my car windows, but whatever. I’ve been with over fifty men, not counting the ones I just fooled around with. Is this hurting my chance to find true love?

 

There were a few really great men who came into and out of my life during this period, usually from outside the bar scene. They were men who really cared about me, who were concerned for my well being, and who did the little special things to let me know they cared, but I ignored them. I did, I’ll admit it. Every man who came into my life who displayed these positive traits – the kind of traits that could have led to stability and happiness – I rejected. I found them boring. Honestly, I was having too much fun with my lifestyle to ever take notice of the men who actually treated me like a human being. I was addicted to promiscuous sex with bad boys who never loved me. Most of my girlfriends were the same way. Why settle for a good man before you have to, right?!

 

Now I’m 29 years old. I only drink on the weekends and I’ve curbed my smoking somewhat, but it’s taken a real toll on my body. My looks are fading, and my biological clock is ticking. I am a single mother of one child born out of wedlock to an abusive, no-good father who never loved me or even had a relationship with me. Not that I wanted a relationship – he was just some guy I met in a bar and I liked how he talked to me like I was dirt. What can I say, it made me hot. He’s currently in prison for armed robbery, so he’s not coming back for another eleven years.

 

I guess it helps to know that I’m not alone in this. Nearly all of my girlfriends made the same decisions I made, and we’re all having trouble landing quality, marriage-minded men now that we’re getting older. Where did all of those good men go? Didn’t they realize that all we needed was a decade of promiscuous, no-strings-attached sex with non-committed, low quality men, after which we’d be ready to “settle” for a decent, stable man and a house with a white picket fence?

 

I mean what gives? I’m done chasing bad boys and now I feel like I deserve to have a kind and hard-working man come and marry me and be a good provider and father to my son. I don’t care what he looks like as long as he’s over 6 feet tall, makes good money, doesn’t have kids, hasn’t ever been married, has a nice car, has his own house, is planning for the future, is confident, funny, independent (but not too independent), fashionable, suave, educated, cultured, and wants to treat me like the amazing, special person that I am. Is that really too much to ask? Why can I not find a man like this? Where did all the good men go?

 

Signed,

 

The Women of Generation Y

[RoyDalParticipant]

Dear Ms. Y,

When I was a junior in college, one of my high school friends was working on his second divorce. I learned from his example and stuck to casual promiscuity.

Signed,
Not Good

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[experiencedParticipant]

WHERE’re all the good men(bottles of liquor)? said the laydee(drunk alcoholic female saying “s~~~” as she smashes through all cupboards to find no bottles)?  well, you used them(those within your reach) all up.

WHY are you not married or dating? Why should a sane male want to do either today?

WHAT you witnessed first hand is that in going from your grandma’s generation to your mom’s and then to today’s, women will always want more. There’s no stationary position with them. Instead of the ‘victor carass negotiating seminars,’ it’s the ‘women harass negotiating technique.’  What’s theirs is theirs and what’s yours is negotiable.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[megatoad69Participant 449]

………..I’ve been with over fifty men, not counting the ones I just fooled around with. Is this hurting my chance to find true love?……..
Man, these kind of women, the way I look at it, I may as well f~~~ all those men too, it’s scary the world of STD’s.
It only takes one sexual encounter, and stupidly, I placed myself at risk with a recently separated woman who hopped onto the c~~~ carousel.
Do I have chlamidia, HPV, or worse, or nothing?

………….I mean what gives? I’m done chasing bad boys and now I feel like I deserve to have a kind and hard-working man come and marry me and be a good provider and father to my son………
HIS son, the son of a bad boy, this does not benefit a man, but is a draining parasite with behavioral problems.

…………..I don’t care what he looks like as long as he’s over 6 feet tall, makes good money, doesn’t have kids, hasn’t ever been married, has a nice car, has his own house, is planning for the future, is confident, funny, independent (but not too independent), fashionable, suave, educated, cultured, and wants to treat me like the amazing, special person that I am. Is that really too much to ask? Why can I not find a man like this? Where did all the good men go?……….

Yeah, never mind the actual guy, the person, it’s what he can do for ‘me’ that matters, and when he is not all that, good-bye!
All they want is a fantasy guy, they don’t wish to deviate from their make believe world where they are all that and deserve all of this, and that, and that.

You can't reason with unreasonable, there; women, figured out, there is nothing to reason.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

@iliveagain – Lol…that is a little extreme but I think about 80% of that applies to probably 3/4 of the women around my age.  Maybe you’ll find one that looks young for her age and has a decent job, but only got her s~~~ together after her second kid, or you’ll find the one that was hot when she was 20 but due to excessive smoking/drinking/sun looks like she’s in her mid 40s by the time she is 30, and doesn’t want to have kids because it will ruin her shriveled disgusting body, she just wants a walking wallet to pay for her fake t~~~ and supply her with constant attention on demand.

But yeah…the general mind set most single 30ish year old women have amounts to “I have never been responsible for myself or planned ahead because I have t~~~ and vagina, but now that I’ve wasted my prime and haven’t secured either financial success or a steady, stable partner, I want to complain about men who achieved success not manning up and fixing my mistakes for me”  Meanwhile successful men look at most of their prospective dating pool, and all they think is “baggage.”  Honestly I’d be thrilled to meet a woman who spent most of her life in a single, or a few ltr’s that didn’t work out for whatever reason, rather than riding on the c~~~ carousel running up her score…but I don’t even think one like that exists anymore.

Also, I have noticed a trend amongst friends I kept in touch with over the years from school, that those of us that eventually moved to higher paying jobs and are doing well financially have also have tended to remain mostly single.  The sad truth…women caused this.  With so many women who are such easy lays out there…if all one wants is pussy…there is simply no reason to commit to and spend resources on one when you could instead spend money on yourself, and the gold digger sluts come running when they realize you are well off.  As long as you know what they are…you can play one along for a few months until either you get sick of her, or she realizes she isn’t going to be able to sink the hooks in like she wants and moves along, then repeat with another one next time you want to get some.

Its never been more easy to get pussy, and its never been more difficult to find a quality woman…but women can’t seem to figure out what is going on.  Here’s the truth…they are either spending all their time/money on toys, hobbies, and with friends, or are playing the field enjoying a variety of sluts(aka women who in 5-10 years will be wondering where all the good men are).

[MendokusaiParticipant 256]

I’m 47 and am convinced they no longer exist ,the feminist era of the 70’s slowly started to kill off the remaining good womin

so now they are extinct. Up until the late 60’s when the law was still on our side and womin were under control you could

still find traditionals. Now it’s best just to stick with escorts once in a while if you really need a fetards touch.

I have set my self up nicely financially as well and never discuss it with anyone esp womin.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

experienced wrote:

WHY are you not married or dating? Why should a sane male want to do either today?

I still date…I still hold out a glimmer of hope for a unicorn.  Its like I said though…I doubt I’ll find one, and I don’t stupidly and blindly jump into things.  That’s the key.  Even if I never find one worth settling down with, it never hurts to look as long as you aren’t dumb about what you are getting into.

Also what I try to do, so dating has never just turned into a huge expense for me, is never pay for a second date.  Most women I’ve dated have actually offered to pay half, and if I say don’t worry I got it, they’ll say something like “thanks, I’ll treat next time.”  That’s when I make sure to say something like “Awesome!  We’ll have to go out for steaks instead of burgers if its your treat!”  Even if the next date turns out to be going for a hike and stopping for an ice cream after…but they pony up the cash without you dropping any hints about them having offered to pay…I think that says a lot about them.  Obviously while you should still proceed with caution…at least you establish early on you are not a walking wallet…and if they can’t even make good on their offer to treat, its easy enough to simply move along, because you can already tell what have found.

[hmskl’dParticipant 6464]

I think I understand what you’re saying. I can hear within your words the frustration; the same frustration that lots of guys are wrestling with.

Unfortunately, I haven’t found the answer … and reading posts neither have lots of other guys. That mythical woman that is worth striving for, I doubt if she exists. I’m not bitter that I will almost certainly spend the rest of my life with no magical soulmate. As I have posted in other places, I keep very busy with my work.

The ultimate irony is the fact that I have actually had some acceptable workplace associations with several women in my past. We worked on projects together and ended up with good results.

I’m not in the dating game and have designed a life that minimizes socializing with women. The stress of living alone is nothing compared to the heartbreak of daring to trust only to find out from others that trusting was a fools game; and I was the fool.

I wish I had better words but reality is reality. I used to think it was just immaturity on the part of some women in college. It was only when I got into the working world that I discovered the same games were being played; eventually I simply turned my back on the entire fiasco … in essence; went my own way.

In May of this year, I will be attending one of my closest friend’s wedding. He and I are the same age and were Boy Scouts together. We went to the same school for twelve years and lived just one block apart. He is currently seeing the world with rose colored glasses, walking on cloud nine as he and his fiancé are planning a life together. They’ve already bought a townhouse.

Do I envy him? I’m the one who is lonely, right? Not for a minute. I actually fear greatly for his future. We all could essentially be where he is in his relationship if we played his game. With the life you have built up for yourself; some lady will eventually find you. You don’t have to do a thing.

All I can say is; please be careful. Be very careful. You have lots to lose and there are endless scheming women who would like to latch on to the free ride. Soon they’ll take control. I’d be careful in every female encounter. Read the posts on this forum about women as Chameleons – it’s one of the most interesting essays I’ve ever followed. She will zero in on you as a wallet and work her way under your skin before you realize what’s hit you. They have mastered the manipulation of men to a fine art.

Personally, I don’t believe that I will ever date anyone again. It’s a road I no longer possess the courage to follow. I’m just tired. If you decide to pursue that path, I wish you well with much safety and peace on your journey. I hope you find that magical mythical lady, the woman that doesn’t exist – as far as I know.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Mendokusai wrote:

I have set my self up nicely financially as well and never discuss it with anyone esp womin.

I don’t think it really matters…I mean…I’ll discuss finances on an intelligent level with my dad, and a few friends who are also successful, sometimes its nice to get a second opinion before you make a financial move.  Its like joining mgtow…if talking with other people can prevent you from making a mistake they have made in the past…that is definitely a good thing.

As far as women go…I really don’t care if they know I’m well off.  Its not like its hard to see I have a nice place and a nice car, and as soon as they find out what I do for a job, its not hard to google it and get a pretty accurate figure of what my making.  The important thing is to not just become a walking wallet for them.  I’ve never bought a woman a piece of jewelry, unless a ring pop counts, I’ve never paid a woman’s bills, and if they haven’t thrown out some money by a second date, gtfo.  Women want equality…let them know that is what they are getting and its a non-issue, if its a deal breaker for them you won’t spoil them, well good riddance, you know what they were after from the start.

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@Sjur – I agree with the general risk vs rewards concept.  Back in the day, like I mentioned with my grandparents…when they got married neither one of them had anything significant.  Everything the had in life…both in terms of family and finances, was a team effort.  The risk back then was minimal because they were building something together, and the long term payback for that minimal risk for both of them turned out to be tremendous.  I’m jealous I couldn’t have been a young man when things worked like that.

Fastforward to today.  Your average woman holds off on marriage and rides the c~~~ carousel for a decade or more, and for the most part comes with lots of baggage and debt.  “Good men” go off and become successful.  Now when women want to settle down, good men are instead saying f~~~ off, I built all this for myself and a good woman, and you aren’t a good woman.

The financial risk my grandfather didn’t have in his day is huge for me, and the chance on a long term payback for taking a huge risk is much smaller than it was for my grandfather when he took a small risk.  Really what it amounts to, is modern women expect men to take a bigger risk(marrying at a later age means you are more established and have more to lose) on lower quality women than previous generations(riding the carousel back then wasn’t exactly as accepted by society as it is today), and we are expected to do it with historically low chances of it turning out to be an investment that is going to pay long term dividends(insane rate of divorces being filed by women).

 

[Darth SinParticipant 576]

Good women only exist in fiction. In reality the probability of finding one is statistically impossible.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7ZrBCY9ipI

[sidecarParticipant 35874]

“Good Woman” is a contradiction of terms.

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Beer wrote:

MCP wrote:

I have set my self up nicely financially as well and never discuss it with anyone esp womin.

I don’t think it really matters…I mean…I’ll discuss finances on an intelligent level with my dad, and a few friends who are also successful, sometimes its nice to get a second opinion before you make a financial move. Its like joining mgtow…if talking with other people can prevent you from making a mistake they have made in the past…that is definitely a good thing. As far as women go…I really don’t care if they know I’m well off. Its not like its hard to see I have a nice place and a nice car, and as soon as they find out what I do for a job, its not hard to google it and get a pretty accurate figure of what my making. The important thing is to not just become a walking wallet for them. I’ve never bought a woman a piece of jewelry, unless a ring pop counts, I’ve never paid a woman’s bills, and if they haven’t thrown out some money by a second date, gtfo. Women want equality…let them know that is what they are getting and its a non-issue, if its a deal breaker for them you won’t spoil them, well good riddance, you know what they were after from the start.

Well, I’ve run through my share of women who only saw me as a walking wallet, and virtually all of them I met online. I’ve even encountered a few in real life. It’s really amazing, isn’t, how women will become absolute chameleons, to be anything you want them to be, in an effort to latch on to your money and resources. One chick I met online even went to the extent of saying, “I’ll even be your sister, if that is what you want.” Like, eww. I never even mentioned my sister other than to say we didn’t get along when she enquired about my family.

And some of the schemes they cook up to get hold of your wallet are far more transparent than they think they are. I met one woman aged 42 through a meetup group. She was a pharmacy inspector, working for the college of pharmacists in my locale (where I live, pharmacists are mostly self-regulating) and making fairly decent money. She owned her own home, although I suspect it was awarded to her when she divorced her husband.

Problem was, she was driving all over hell’s half-acre every day running from pharmacy to pharmacy and working 10 to 12-hour days while trying to look after her 14 year-old son, who was only home two weeks every month. As soon as she discovered I had a good job with benefits, she latched on to me. She even offered me sex on our second date, which I adroitly refused because I wasn’t prepared to go that far that soon. But I saw through her game plan, which amounted to locking down some guy by having a baby, so she could either quit her job, or work part time, thus ending the brutally long work days. While I couldn’t fault her for wanting to work less, I had a big problem with how she was going about achieving that aim. And anyway, I don’t want kids of my own and at 53, I’m too old to be starting a family. Plus, a woman who is aged 42, is a bit long in the tooth to be having more kids.

Suffice it to say, she had a bad case of baby rabies. She used all kinds of other blandishments and entreaties besides sex, basically trying to butter me up so I would hop on her train. Last time she saw me, she had this p~~~ed-off look on her face. Having a baby for economic and lifestyle reasons is never a good idea in my book.

As for me, I’ve given up on women. If it’s not a case of experiencing constant, chronic rejection, including the usual LJBF game, it’s a case of finding the rare few women who do show interest in me are usually alcoholics, drug abusers, mentally ill, unemployed/undermployed/about to be unemployed women and single mothers whose single common denominator is that they are just looking for a meal ticket. It’s really true. Women don’t love men, but they sure love their money and material resources. As far as I’m concerned, AWALT. The few NAWALTs there are AWALTs, but a lot better at hiding who they really are.

 

 

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