Women and IT – Bad mix – My experience and 2p worth

[Max_TroyParticipant 56]

Hey guys, so Ive been working in IT for 16 years now. Its my passion in life and I love it.

I get to meet like minded people who share that passion to fix, build and improve IT systems. Its great.

In my entire career I met only one woman who was genuinely good at it. She was lesbian, wore trousers every day, short hair and no makeup. Acted like a guy. I would have defo jumped in bed with her (and tried it) but my moves were going nowhere, not even a little flirt anyway I digress.

The point im making is that I respected her because she had the same passion and therefore similar skill level as me at the job. Gender didn’t even come into it. She added value a lot of the time and sometimes I learned from her, sometimes she learned from me. We were about the same age with similar experience. The fact that she was a woman didn’t even come into it.

So whats up with all the other women? Why so few in IT? Well, they probably get a hard time because they are no good most of the time. I have worked with about 11 / 12 other females in my 16 year career. All terrible. No passion, no burning desire to dissect and understand a complex system. Not going home in evenings and weekends building and tinkering about with home PC’s and networks. This is why they are no good. Troubleshooting is not reading a list of questions. Thats OK don’t go into IT women – simples.

So whats happening now? Women are being pushed into IT to balance things out as its identified as a well paying engineering job dominated by men. Women don’t have the passion for it – not working age women in this decade anyway.

Why is this a problem?
Women getting moved into IT are crap at it when compared to people that have the passion. They have a real hard time with it. Its pretty harsh for them as they struggle.
Departments have to carry their weight.
Managers like me have to damn well manage them.

So I have been doing all I can to manage a junior female in the team, to develop her and get her skillset up to scratch. I have had one harassment accusation and she accused me of pushing her chair the other day. She is struggling badly and is putting up a bitch defence shield to hide it. After the accusations I tried bigging her up on email to the entire department, which worked for a bit. We were friends.

The relationship has again broken down. She refuses to work with me and the rest of the team. I try to give her work that will develop her skillset and she argues about overtime (its the same for everyone on the team) and just generally is bitchy so im like well screw you then i’ll give the work to someone in the US (a guy probably)! You won’t learn – due to your attitude.

I’ve really tried with her. Really. I actually had some job satisfaction when we were friends after I sent that nice email as I was able to work with her and develop her (a bit). But her damn attitude. She will go nowhere. Im gonna have to move her to a different team that doesn’t do tech stuff, more process stuff. I’ve tried. Really.

Anyone had similar experiences?
What are you views?

… sorry to rattle on btw.

[Max_TroyParticipant 56]

yea female nature is a problem. Im not even sexist you know… If they are good they are good and I will respect that. But they are s~~~. And they are being moved into IT to balance things. My next topic is going to detail my experiences at a london firm where females took over the IT department. Bad bad bad experience. I’ll also link to the glassdoor page of that company so you can read up on other non MGTOW peoples experiences of working there.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Max_Troy wrote:

So whats up with all the other women? Why so few in IT? Well, they probably get a hard time because they are no good most of the time

In order to be really good at something, you HAVE to be interested in it first. You said it yourself. You have a “passion” for it. When was the last time you heard a girl/woman get passionately excited about “coding” as much as a guy?

Ever since you can remember you were probably called “geek”, “loser”, “nerd” and needed “to get a life” because you were passionately interested in IT and solved problems and wrote functions until 5AM. Well there you go.

Coding is like any other language created by men who mastered it first. Including PHP, Javascript/JQuery, Actionscript, C++, English, every dictionary, Morse Code, Classical Music etc.

Women are really good at “girl talk”.

That’s women thinking men somehow need to LOWER themselves to the female standard of totally ineffective communication where they need excessive unnecessary paragraphs to explain What she MEAN vs. What she SAYS. You can’t get any further away from effective and efficient coding than that.

Women need to learn to speak basic MAN-glish first.

In scripting, if you miss a single semi colon, an entire website goes down. Women don’t even capitalize or punctuate a text message properly – or even respond in a timely and concise manner.

You can’t run a website on “omg lol”.

FACT = Fast. Accurate. Concise. True.
Women don’t even like FACTS.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Max_TroyParticipant 56]

Yea you know it. I sit here in my spare time reading up on latest technologies so I know whats next on the horizon. They’ll be discussing celebrities in their spare time 9 times out of 10.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

They say it takes something like 10,000 of effort and practice to achieve mastery over a topic. A LOT of those hours are unpaid. Women, as a rule, don’t like to do ANYTHING unless they get paid in cash, prises, attention or social status.

Men, on the other hand, will spend thousands of hours building a helicopter out of garbage, coding an app to make a five minute task require only two, carving a linked chain out of a single block of wood… you get the picture.

I’m currently in the process of starting a new business. I’ve spent over six months and $30,000 putting together a multi-camera mobile live streaming video production system and teaching myself how to use it. Not a moment of that time and effort was billable but I spent it anyway because I want to learn and I see the opportunity in doing so.

Keymaster has spent god knows how many hours either designing or coding or managing this system, the great majority of it totally unpaid (though I hope and imagine it’s generating a fair amount of revenue now) while Anita Sarkeesian collects hundreds of thousands of dollars from donations and makes a handfull of mediocre, poorly researched videos. Which one of the two do you think really cares about the content and the audience and which one was in it solely for the cash from the get go?

[Anonymous 25]

I think you IT guys need to figure out a way to upgrade the software on women’s brains. It’s seriously flawed.

When is the version of Women 2.0 due for release? It’s sorely needed to fix the bugs as the current build of Women is broke.

[Veritech AceParticipant 699]

I don’t want to dox myself by saying what company I work for, but let’s just say it’s a ubiquitous company (no not Google, a different kind of ubiquitous…besides Google would never hire an uber conservative like me). So for the past year, I’ve noticed more and more women being hired in the programming department I work for. Before the male to female ratio was about 20:1, now it more like 5:1. There are none in my section, so I haven’t had any interaction with them, and I have no idea what kind of skill level they have. If they turn out to be competent, cool we can get some work done, if they demonstrate they want to learn, I will teach them, but if they turn out to be dead weight, well my policy will be to give them sufficient rope to hang themselves; I will not be a water carrier for dead weight.

I think they’re mostly working on front-end UI stuff, and the reason none are in my section is because I work on back-end web services; you know, the stuff they don’t teach in college; the stuff you have to actually crack open a book and learn on your own.

[Veritech AceParticipant 699]

Anonymous wrote:

I think you IT guys need to figure out a way to upgrade the software on women’s brains. It’s seriously flawed.

When is the version of Women 2.0 due for release? It’s sorely needed to fix the bugs as the current build of Women is broke.

Vaporware.

[SolidusXParticipant 854]

Max_Troy wrote:

Hey guys, so Ive been working in IT for 16 years now. Its my passion in life and I love it.

I get to meet like minded people who share that passion to fix, build and improve IT systems. Its great.

In my entire career I met only one woman who was genuinely good at it. She was lesbian, wore trousers every day, short hair and no makeup. Acted like a guy. I would have defo jumped in bed with her (and tried it) but my moves were going nowhere, not even a little flirt anyway I digress.

The point im making is that I respected her because she had the same passion and therefore similar skill level as me at the job. Gender didn’t even come into it. She added value a lot of the time and sometimes I learned from her, sometimes she learned from me. We were about the same age with similar experience. The fact that she was a woman didn’t even come into it.

So whats up with all the other women? Why so few in IT? Well, they probably get a hard time because they are no good most of the time. I have worked with about 11 / 12 other females in my 16 year career. All terrible. No passion, no burning desire to dissect and understand a complex system. Not going home in evenings and weekends building and tinkering about with home PC’s and networks. This is why they are no good. Troubleshooting is not reading a list of questions. Thats OK don’t go into IT women – simples.

So whats happening now? Women are being pushed into IT to balance things out as its identified as a well paying engineering job dominated by men. Women don’t have the passion for it – not working age women in this decade anyway.

Why is this a problem?
Women getting moved into IT are crap at it when compared to people that have the passion. They have a real hard time with it. Its pretty harsh for them as they struggle.
Departments have to carry their weight.
Managers like me have to damn well manage them.

So I have been doing all I can to manage a junior female in the team, to develop her and get her skillset up to scratch. I have had one harassment accusation and she accused me of pushing her chair the other day. She is struggling badly and is putting up a bitch defence shield to hide it. After the accusations I tried bigging her up on email to the entire department, which worked for a bit. We were friends.

The relationship has again broken down. She refuses to work with me and the rest of the team. I try to give her work that will develop her skillset and she argues about overtime (its the same for everyone on the team) and just generally is bitchy so im like well screw you then i’ll give the work to someone in the US (a guy probably)! You won’t learn – due to your attitude.

I’ve really tried with her. Really. I actually had some job satisfaction when we were friends after I sent that nice email as I was able to work with her and develop her (a bit). But her damn attitude. She will go nowhere. Im gonna have to move her to a different team that doesn’t do tech stuff, more process stuff. I’ve tried. Really.

Anyone had similar experiences?
What are you views?

… sorry to rattle on btw.

The only woman I have ever worked with in IT was a man that changed into a woman lol… he/she was actually pretty good at the job so it was ok lol.

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