Will women start proposing to men?

[Anonymous 3]

Anonymous wrote:

I had one propose, informally, to me about a decade ago, she was dead serious and rich as well… I am sure this phenomenon is on the rise.

IIRC in my late-20s a doctor or two had done something similar, through my parents. Actually a few women around that time tried something similar.

But doctors really don’t have the type of money that I’d be willing to give my freedom away. I’ve done well enough for myself, but more importantly, again, the freedom aspect. A genuinely wealthy oligarch’s daughter would be a different thing, I might have gotten married. The type of money where you can drive a Ferrari, take a yacht out and travel the world, staying at 5 star hotels. Real, serious money, where you don’t work.

But I know exactly what would happen with a doctor. Happened to some of my cousins and friends. She quits work after a few years, then does part time at most, and the guy is responsible for everything.

The vast majority of women, even if they have nice salaries, don’t make near enough money that it’s worth a man marrying them. Especially since women want to spend most of it on themselves anyway. A woman’s best asset is her youth and beauty, but if she’s getting a “career” it means she already lost all of that, and nothing she can do will make up for it. And the biggest irony of course is not only is a woman born with youth and beauty, but true actual wealth is also something you are born into. Nobody makes real wealth by themselves.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Anonymous wrote:

But doctors really don’t have the type of money that I’d be willing to give my freedom away.

It doesn’t matter how much money she’s raking in. The more money she’s making, the more she’ll nail you for in the divorce, because: “She gave up her career for you.” The fact that she was looking at marriage as a retirement plan is of no matter to the courts.

[aeragoanParticipant 1186]

Yaa I got asked on a date by two women back..when I rejected one of them she was screaming like a maniac..that makes me more red pill those days n thus lead me to mgtow

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

Even if the bitch was filthy rich she’d still get the same treatment as this dumb trollop.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

aeragoan wrote:

when I rejected one of them she was screaming like a maniac.

Try this one some time:

: “We’ve been seeing each other for months. Are you every going to try to f~~~ me?”
: “Honestly, it never occurred to me. I guess I just don’t see you that way. You’re smart and funny and a great friend, but Kirsten is more my type.”

Then duck.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Stormtrooper wrote:

But it also got me thinking, as men start to reject and forgo relationships because of how one sided they are

Have you ever considered writing your own marriage contract – on your OWN terms? I have! And it’s fantastic. You write out EXACTLY what you expect and are prepared to do in a personal relationship / marriage – as one sided as a woman thinks it is. NO limits. Put your whole wishlist of needs, terms, conditions, boundaries and requirements down and hold nothing back. You expect a blow job when you come home or before you leave for work? PUT IT DOWN. You expect a cold drink and a SMILE when you come home? PUT IT DOWN.

Then the next woman who mentions “marriage” or a “committed relationship” … you smile and hand her a pen to sign it.

She’ll run screaming.

Until that moment, she didn’t even CONSIDER what you want and expect, because to a woman, a “relationship” is all about HER.

When a man puts down what he needs from a relationship/marriage in order to be “happy”, it will always be expecting less than she does. She wants a ring worth $25K just to ask for her permission to love her into death. A man would never ask for anything that ridiculous.

sidecar wrote:

Damn those are some personal f~~~ing questions to be asking a man they only just met.

And slippery questions.

“Don’t you want kids?”

“Isn’t that irrelevant? A man can’t decide to have kids – or not. So why are you asking me that stupid question? Have you never thought about it? Why don’t you go away and think about it. I’m eating.”

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Stormtrooper wrote:

Will women start proposing to men?

Nah, they just marry themselves – or their cats. Known as “Sologamy”.

… which is all a wedding is anyway. Her own emotional masturbation ritual in front of her friends.

No groom required. He’s a prop.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Keymaster wrote:

She’ll run screaming.

She’ll go into a tirade about how “selfish” you are for expecting anything in exchange for your life’s labor. Because finding out you’re not going to be paying for their white picket fantasy, that they’re going to have to earn it, p~~~es the entitled little princesses off no end.

Which is funny as f~~~, but not worth the effort? Just friend zone all of them from the start.

And slippery questions.

And ones I have heard many many times before. It’s like they’re all taught from the same script in junior high school. Which is why men need to learn to recognize that s~~~ and shut it down right at the start.

: “Bwaawwk! What do you do? What do you do? Bwaawwk! Polly wanna diamond? Bwaawwk!”
: “No. Just no.”

This is why I recommend looking down at their shoes and then up before responding. You don’t have to be looking for anything in particular, just the fact that you look does the job. Shuts them right down.

[CataphractParticipant 2656]

I can see some desperate women proposing to a guy in public in the hopes he will not risk shaming himself by saying “NO” and depending on local laws, if he withdraws his agreement to get married, she could charge him with “emotional violence” or some other c~~~ish law that favors women over men.

Marriage: About as appealing as wood-chipper diving.

[BoarParticipant]

sidecar wrote:

: “Bwaawwk! What do you do? What do you do? Bwaawwk! Polly wanna diamond? Bwaawwk!”
: “No. Just no.”

Sidecar, you need a radio station!

Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.

[narwhalParticipant]

I don’t think it will ever be that common. It’s just not the best manipulation technique available in her arsenal. There are better ways to trap a man.

I think more and more women will ask men out and take more action to get her hooks in a man. She will make suggestions about what the ‘next level’ of the relationship should be. She thinks she SHOULD spend the night, then the weekend. Then they SHOULD meet the parents. Then met her kids. So on and so. Emphasis on SHOULD because it won’t a question of what you WANT or even what she WANTS, this is what must be done in order to avoid shame. Because you’d be a bad boyfriend, taking her for granted. You need to do this in order to be a real man.

It will get to the point where she will shame you into proposing. Perhaps giving you an ultimatum. She’ll make sure you understand that if you don’t move forward the way she wants to, then she will act as if everything you did for her before was a lie and you were just using her.

Women always want you to think give her stuff was your idea. Proposing to you puts a big cramp in that plan. It makes it harder to deny sex when the marriage was her idea.

As far as a marriage contract, I agree that it’s a good idea to know what you want in advance. But you don’t even have to take it that far. At a very minimum, a woman living without you should at the very least be as pleasant to live with as a male roommate. You’d expect a roommate to pay his share of the rent, clean up after himself, and give you space when you need it….just to start. Even if the guy was your best friend in the world, these are minimum requirements. Why in the world would a woman get a pass and be given lower expectations?

Ok. Then do it.

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