Wilcox Fires Back

[CaliParticipant 753]

A lot of you may remember that lovely (sarcasm alert) video from Prager University by a one W. Bradford Wilcox. Basically, the message of the video was that men need to grow up and get married, because it really is good for you.

Needless to say, this video engendered some unfavorable comments about his position, including TFM’s response.

Wilcox has recently authored an article in response to the comments he’s received. Hopefully this link works.

full article below:

Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine I’d earn the ire of a character named Turd Flinging Monkey, the nom de plume of a popular online men’s rights activist. A leader in the MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) movement, which encourages men to avoid romantic relationships with women, Monkey did not take kindly to my new Prager University video talking up the benefits of marriage for men. In the video, I noted, among other things, that married men work harder (about 400 more hours), smarter (they’re less likely to quit without having found another job), and more successfully (they make about $16,000 more per year) than their single peers. I described these as features, not bugs, of married life for men.

In response, in a video of his own, Monkey unloaded on marriage, arguing that the things I had described as features of marriage were in fact bugs.

For men, marriage equals slavery: “Marriage, in essence, is a man choosing his slave master.”
For men, marriage equals unrequited sacrifice: “So married men work 400 hours more per year than single men; that’s not a good thing. They’re not hanging out with their friends… They’re sacrificing their life for other people. Now, you may think that’s noble, but that’s not a benefit for the man.”
For men, marriage equals emasculation: it means “giving a woman power over your life, power over your income.”
And above all, for men, marriage equals a soul-destroying divorce: “talk to the men in MGTOW who have had their wallets ripped out their a** in family court. Go to the graves of men who killed themselves after they were unemployed and couldn’t afford child support and faced jail. Talk to those men about how wonderful marriage was… Ask them about the hundreds of hours they work extra each year to avoid going to prison because they owe so much child support or alimony that they gotta move in with their parents.”

This is Turd Flinging Monkey’s view of marriage. And judging by the thousands of internet comments and emails my video making the case for marriage to men has garnered, I’d say his perspective resonates with a substantial minority of men. There are lots of men out there who harbor a deeply misogynistic view of the opposite sex, an unremittingly negative view of love and commitment, and a complete lack of faith in marriage to deliver on their deepest dreams and desires.

Some of this, it seems, is about a kind of Peter Pan syndrome, where guys don’t want to grow up and settle down. Some of it is about a kind of individualistic hedonism, where guys don’t want to forego the opportunity to set their own work hours, hang out with their friends on their own terms, and score as much with the ladies as they can. One correspondent, a 29-year-old man named Craig, put it like this: “I bet I’m getting a lot more with high quality women with no commitment” than the average married guy, adding that he has time to “work out and exercise because I don’t work those 400 extra hours a year” that married guys typically do (responding to a point Robert Lerman and I noted in a recent AEI/Institute for Family Studies report).

But a lot of this negativity toward marriage is about divorce. The stories and the invective I’ve heard in response to my video make clear that a lot of the MGTOWers think marriage is a bad bet for men. It’s a bet that often ends with the man losing primary custody of his kids, a substantial share of his assets, and control of a large fraction of his income. Social scientists estimate that about 42 percent of first marriages end in divorce and about 66 percent of divorces are initiated by women. This means that a lot of men are divorced unwillingly, sometimes for good reasons and sometimes for not-so-good reasons.

It’s this experience of divorce, or the expectation of divorce, that leaves many men reluctant to tie the knot. In Craig’s words, “I’m currently dating an attractive girl who treats me very well compared to my friends’ girlfriends but I would never get married… nor will I ever have kids with any woman unless guaranteed 50-50 custody with no child support was made into [family] law as it should be.” Needless to say, given the character of family law today, Craig is unlikely to be heading to the altar anytime soon.

The outpouring of rage, pain, and despair my video triggered suggests that one unintended fruit of no-fault divorce, and the larger divorce revolution of which it was part, is that a large minority of men are increasingly ambivalent towards or openly hostile towards virtues like sacrifice, commitment, and love—not to mention women and the institution of matrimony. And judging by the emails, comments, and videos my Prager University video engendered, many of these men think the best they can do is score with lots of women rather than settle down with one woman (and then be discarded). In the words of one correspondent, “I’d rather just pump and dump women then be the sucker left with the tab.” These men’s orientation to marriage is the inverse parallel of the ambivalence and hostility that a large minority of women now have towards men and marriage (cf. Kathy Edin and Maria Kefalas’ Promises I Can Keep: Why Poor Women Put Motherhood Before Marriage).

One tragic consequence of what we might call the Maxim Masculinity view of love and marriage is that fewer men will seek to cultivate the virtues that make them good lovers and husbands, to their detriment and to the detriment of the women in their lives. Another tragic consequence is that more men will end up uncared for, unhappy, and unhealthy in later life—that is, if they make it into late life: unmarried men live almost 10 years less than stably married men. (Needless to say, findings like these suggest that for most men, marriage bears little resemblance to slavery.) And the biggest tragedy of all is that many of these men will end up having sons who end up just as disconnected from women, marriage, and family life as their MGTOW fathers.

Thanks, divorce revolution.

Have at ‘im, boys.

Just a misogynist virgin hiding away in his mother's basement. Nothing to see here...

[BigDParticipant 3024]

I really don’t think he is grasping the whole of MGTOW philosophy. His last two paragraphs seem to be a bit closer to the issue, but still isn’t quite getting it.

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

[BigDParticipant 3024]

Furthermore, he claims he is a follower of Christ. If this is true, MGTOW is the only way to go. For there are no longer any women left worth marrying.

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

[Anonymous 42]

I’m twitching and “triggered” to hit the c~~~ button after reading that! The stupid f~~~ still believes MEN are the problem! The clam juices flow deep in this one!

[Anonymous 54]

This guy lives in a fairy tale in his mind. His brain works completely female.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

Leader in the mgtow movement? I don’t have a leader nor does anybody here. An educator maybe, but not a leader.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

It’s amazing how half of his article explained our grievances on divorce laws, but he managed to tip-toe around the issue leaving it without a comment (like it’s an unfounded grievance on our part). And he deliberately didn’t say anything about his personal experiences with divorce, which he had plenty.
He almost portrayed the whole thing from perspective of a common reader without any input.
What a sleazy motherf~~~er this Suxcox fella is. This whole thing is a joke to him and his PreggerU channel. F~~~ you Mr. Willsuckcox!

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[DDJParticipant 1880]

He sounds like a blue pill who’s seen the red pill and is terrified of it. He wants to argue against MGTOW…but only does so halfheartedly.

My guess is his wife and he argued about it. Pathetic.

Every woman is a slut, if you catch her on the right day.

[Al BundyParticipant 245]

It’s good to read that Mr. Wilcox is still completely full of s~~~. I was a little worried about him.

[W]e are MGTOW. We eat shaming language like tic tacs.

--chir

I have known more men destroyed by the desire to have wife and child and to keep them in comfort than I have seen destroyed by drink and harlots.

--William Butler Yeats

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

There are lots of men out there who harbor a deeply misogynistic

Stopped reading right there. F~~~ this asshole.

Self preservation is not “misogyny”.

Prager “University”?

UNSUBSCRIBED.

Then there’s this little tidbit.

that is, if they make it into late life: unmarried men live almost 10 years less than stably married men. (Needless to say, findings like these suggest that for most men, marriage bears little resemblance to slavery.)

No. Wrong. Findings like that suggest that this Wilcox s~~~ for brains f~~~wit doesn’t know a goddamn thing about statistics.

Life expectancy statistics like that include the full range of ages. The 16 year old kid who crashes his dad’s car coming home from the prom or the 5 year old who dies of leukemia are, surprise surprise, unmarried, and so artificially lower the average lifespan for unmarried men. If you normalize for actual life expectancy to within specific age brackets you find that single men live longer. Much longer. So looking at just septuagenarians, the ones who never married are far more likely to make it to be octogenarians than their married (and likely divorced) peers. And with their faculties intact. This stupid Wilcox asshole should know that.

Or maybe he does know it, but conveniently ignores it because it rips his s~~~ty little judas goat proselytizing to shreds.

[AttonParticipant]

Sacrifice & commitment are qualities that are not reciprocated on the part of women or goverment. Fight for your country and your gift is PTSD and no f~~~s given from the state. Marry play the role of husband your gift if divorce and further servitude. I might not have experienced either of those things and I simply don’t need to. Marriage and family law are a system designed by women and enforced by men for the interests of women only. They are gynocentric so is the majority of law, one is governed by it and the other is protected no matter what. One person holds all the power with no regulation or responsibility and the other has diddly s~~~ recourse should that power be abused. Men who want to avoid that kind of arrangement might be many things but childish is not one of them.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[The Laughing ManParticipant 1020]

Oh man, I hope TFM does another vid n this guy. What a clown…

I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes...or should I?

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

Thank you Pvt.!

My initial instinct was to get all worked-up and start bashing this Wilc~~~s guy, methodically pointing out all the misleading facts and all the stuff he ignored in his s~~~-piece.
But, I stopped myself for some unknown reason and I just felt sorry for him and the poor young suckers who believe that crap, of whom I was one a few years ago.
Apparently, this must be how it feels to be OVER the red pill rage. I have been waiting for this moment for a long time now. So thanks! The good bourbon is on me tonight. Let the good times begin!

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[OgreParticipant 5863]

It followed the feminist format perfectly.

Step One- call it misogyny while you think of your next move.
Step Two- Shaming, refer to a Peter Pan syndrome, where (gasp) you expect reward for your work.
Step Three- Women’s intentions are pure. Men want hedonism without commitment, but women just want everything once they have that commitment.
Step Four- acknowledge one fact. This adds authenticity to your argument. 40 percent of first marriages end in divorce, women initiate 66 percent of the time by his stats.
Step Five- Invoke Fear and Strawmen, you’ll die alone. Unless when I flatline they put a bullet in somebody’s head that’s just about how it will happen anyway.

He can’t even be original. I could have written his response just by knowing TFM had made his video.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

@ogre -very good analysis. you should post it in the comments on the article

The Divorce Revolution Has Bred An Army Of Woman Haters

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Darth SinParticipant 576]

DDJ wrote:

He sounds like a blue pill who’s seen the red pill and is terrified of it. He wants to argue against MGTOW…but only does so halfheartedly.

My guess is his wife and he argued about it. Pathetic.

Wilcox is a mess. Sad !

[RedDawnParticipant 1391]

Ogre wrote:

nvoke Fear and Strawmen, you’ll die alone. Unless when I flatline they put a bullet in somebody’s head that’s just about how it will happen anyway.

Thing is, who cares about dying alone, I’ll be dead.

It’s being alone when you’re alive that counts and the loneliest times in my life have been when I’ve had a partner. You know when they sex you up so you’re emotionally dependent on sex and then they withhold it from you as emotional leverage.

Friendship and heroes can fill that void, that fear of emptiness. That’s why religion is so powerful. I’m an Epictetus man now.

Courage is the key to life itself - Morgan Freeman

[AFTParticipant 2722]

a large minority of men are increasingly ambivalent towards or openly hostile towards virtues like sacrifice, commitment, and love

Why are those virtues presumed for women and demanded from men?

Personally I am all for sacrifice, commitment, and love when it comes to a nice young tight wet t~~~ to sacrifice her chocolate starfish and commit to loving my glob being arced all over her.

lots of men out there who harbor a deeply misogynistic view of the opposite sex,

OK so I’m misogynistic because I don’t want to marry a stretched out useless whore with STD’s, so why aren’t women misandristic for being unmarriageable?

an unremittingly negative view of love and commitment, and a complete lack of faith in marriage to deliver on their deepest dreams and desires.

WTF? Why can’t this guy see?:

1. It’s the lop sided risk that is the problem. I’d be willing to enter a relationship where if it fails we part ways and move on, BUT that is just not the way it works.
2. A mans deepest dreams and desires and MARRIAGE? How the f~~~ is marriage going to get me a motorbike, or plenty of fresh young tight wet pussy, or passive income to live free?

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Sam RavenParticipant 181]

Angry MGTOW led me here.

“Never in my wildest dreams…”

Don’t worry punk, its only the appetizer.

“This is Turd Flinging Monkey’s view of marriage. And judging by the thousands of internet comments and emails my video making the case for marriage to men has garnered, I’d say his perspective resonates with a substantial minority of men.”

Love or hate Alex Jones, his analysis of mainstream news reporting style taught me to spot this little muthaf~~~er as this nobody uses the same style to reassure the blue pillers that their bubble is the reality. The use of the word ‘minority’ next to ‘substantial’ is a classic MSM psyop used to imply while we seem to have the numbers, we are still a fringe crazed lunatic group, just like ‘conspiracy theorist’ and therefore the blue-pillers are the ‘sane’ ones, i.e. ‘good job, slave, for conforming and being obedient’.

“There are lots of men out there who harbor a deeply misogynistic view of the opposite sex.”

Eat this – I am a woman hater because I was physically and emotionally abused by a psychotic female authority figure who happened to be my biological ‘mother’. I am a woman-hater because women stopped embracing their nature as submissive sex slaves to men, and in the process evolved into some new form of repulsive feral animal (Homo C~~~sis) that I don’t want in my life that in the name of ‘women’s liberation’ gives nothing but takes everything. Women should never have been allowed near a man’s job. Women’s nature should be about not opening their mouths except when its time to wear a ball gag.

How’s that for misogyny, muthaf~~~er? Bradford Wilcox, another betafied pussy who probably wrote the above article with his fat tub-of-s~~~ wife looking over his shoulder.

[Sam RavenParticipant 181]

RedDawn wrote:

Ogre wrote:

nvoke Fear and Strawmen, you’ll die alone. Unless when I flatline they put a bullet in somebody’s head that’s just about how it will happen anyway.

Thing is, who cares about dying alone, I’ll be dead.

It’s being alone when you’re alive that counts and the loneliest times in my life have been when I’ve had a partner. You know when they sex you up so you’re emotionally dependent on sex and then they withhold it from you as emotional leverage.

Friendship and heroes can fill that void, that fear of emptiness. That’s why religion is so powerful. I’m an Epictetus man now.

Well said. I am subscribed to Scribd.com, reading philosophical books like Manly P Hall and Magic by David Conway that was recommended by Thomas Sheridan. This is my life, also spent by taking long walks in the parks.

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