Why You Should Marry (not) MUST READ!

[Gone SurfingParticipant 216]

This is a thread i have been reading on another mgtow forum, It’s about the disaster of marriage. Must Read!

http://www.mgtowhq.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=474&sid=082353144d2d4a6cf11a0a8e19c05a1b

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Thank you for posting. We are working on compiling all the very BEST comments from married men into an interactive online BOOK which will also be set up for user submissions – so guys can stop by and tell their stories. Like a gallon-size bottle of red pills for anyone who feels like overdosing.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Gone SurfingParticipant 216]

For me it is the stories of other men that opened my eyes and let me see that women are all like that.

All the same s~~~ i have been through is the same as what every other guy in a relationship has been through, it lets us compare notes and see what is really happening.

It allows you to see that no matter what you did or not do in a relationship, it will never be enough for her.

Once you have taken the red pill your life will never be the same again. It allows you to live your life the way you want to and have women in your life (if you want to) with your eyes wide open so you can make informed choices.

I came here looking for a way to improve any future relationship that i might have but what i found was a whole lot more. It has given me a new perspective on life and love, on men and women and it has given me the conviction to go my own way and be proud of it. To be myself and f~~~ convention as i don’t need society telling me what i should do (get married) because I’ll be making that choice myself and the choice i will be making is no thank you.

[Primus_PilusParticipant 41]

<cite>@mgtow.com said:</cite>
Thank you for posting. We are working on compiling all the very BEST comments from married men into an interactive online BOOK which will also be set up for user submissions – so guys can stop by and tell their stories. Like a gallon-size bottle of red pills for anyone who feels like overdosing.

Awesome, complete that book and I’ll have that URL on speed dial for a pack of friends.

[DkaiksterParticipant 90]

Men, can you all help me? I am a MGHOW and I have always been single, despite everything. I would never compromise my singularity and thus, I never want to marry. But here are the few kinks I am having a problem with. Any and all advise is welcome:

– It might sound stupid, but I do fantasize about getting married and having a wife. But to be honest, my reasoning and logic is strictly against it and my logic has been winning so far. How to get these self-destructive thoughts out of my head?
– If I don’t want to marry and plan on holding on to that ideal (F~~~ marriage I will never even hook up or date), but still fantasize about it – Does that make me a hypocrite? Because it surely feels like it and it is severely hurting my enormous amount of self-respect.
– Where I am from, your parents wait for you to find the right girl for yourself…. only till you have graduated University and gotten yourself a job. Even then if you are single, they would go find similar willing parents and force you to get married to their daughter. Well, I have a job and my parents are pressuring me too hard to get married. How do I escape? So far, I have managed to get off the hook by saying “I don’t like that girl’s dress. I don’t like that girl’s face. I don’t like her attitude. I don’t like her parents.” And thus, avoiding all incoming bullets. But honestly I am running out of excuses and my parents are beginning to figure out what is going on. So I went and told them to their face “I don’t wanna marry. Menstruation…. I mean, Period. I don’t wanna marry, period!”

What does my mom do after that? Cry. What does my father do after that? Lectures. Mom says “Even watching me and your father…. such a perfect couple, you think marriage is so bad?” Well, I did tell them, “Yes, I do. Just because you two are perfect, does not mean mine will be. And I see what my father goes through even when you two are “perfect”. I shudder to imagine what would’ve happened if you two were any less than perfect. And just because my parents marriage is fine, does not mean I should learn from it and not from ALL the 5 marriage problems of her brothers and sisters.”
After that session was over, next day, I heard my mother talking to another prospective bride’s parents over the phone. How do I get out?

3 things: Teach me the art of not fantasizing about women. Tell me if I really am a hypocrite for doing so. How do I escape from my parents’ pressures?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

It might sound stupid, but I do fantasize about getting married and having a wife. But to be honest, my reasoning and logic is strictly against it and my logic has been winning so far. How to get these self-destructive thoughts out of my head?

Talk to a divorce attorney.. and watch the film “divorce corp”. That will do it.

The only risk reasonable people are willing to take are CALCULATED risks. One must weigh the costs and benefits of those risks. As it is, marriage FAILS a cost/benefit analysis for any man. Even if a man WANTS it to work, a woman can decide to crash that stock on a whim – even if she has 50 affairs in her marriage, he will still pay. Do you feel like paying $3 million + property when your wife f~~~s your friend for free?

How to get these self-destructive thoughts out of my head?

Realize they have been put INTO your head. By media. Television. Movies. And even your parents.
Commitment is not more important than individuality.

Just because a marriage doesn’t fail… doesn’t mean it “worked”.
Is a marriage contract commensurate compensation for all your efforts?

I heard my mother talking to another prospective bride’s parents over the phone. How do I get out? I am running out of excuses

Learn the value of a smile, and the word “NO”. No explanation. No excuses. Just ….. “no”.
You don’t NEED anything else. Especially someone else’s approval. Ever.

Practice saying it. “no”. Nothing else. Just “no”. It’s the best goddam word in the English language. ( i wish I learned to say it sooner). Let it always be your first response. Someone wants something? “no”. A woman wants your help? “no”. Someone wants you to go out with the neighbors daughter? “no”. Then just sit back and enjoy yourself as the rest of the world trips over themselves desperately trying to turn your “no” into a “yes”. That’s the position you want to be in. Be entertained and amused by it. The reason why “no” is such a great response, is because you can always say “yes” later. But how many times have you said “yes” right away and WISH you said “no”?

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[DkaiksterParticipant 90]

Thanks for your advice. As I said, I do know the problems and trust me, I NEVER want to marry. But sometimes, the thought does cross my mind. That’s what’s bothering me, because always, I have considered myself a true MGHOW but when these thoughts come, I feel like I am betraying myself. And I am. I know I am. So, I just want a way to get rid of the thoughts, because I am certain that I am not marrying.

And as I said, I did say ‘No’. And after all the drama that ensued, “The next day I heard my mother talking to another prospective bride’s parents over the phone. How do I get out?”, it’s like they heard me, lectured me, created the drama and then just kept on doing what they were doing. Sometimes I feel like moving out to my own place, but I love my parents too much. Can’t live without them. It might not sound much MGHOW to you but that’s just how I am. I apologize if I am a disappointment to this group.

All the more reason to not marry because women will come in, and s~~~ on your parents’ face and will convince you to do so as well (Metaphorically of course). I know I can’t be convinced, but why even bother to reach that far when all that can simply be avoided through marriage, no?

[DkaiksterParticipant 90]

BTW, just off topic,

Say ‘NO’. Then just sit back and enjoy yourself as the rest of the world trips over themselves desperately trying to turn your “no” into a “yes”. That’s the position you want to be in. Be entertained and amused by it. The reason why “no” is such a great response, is because you can always say “yes” later. But how many times have you said “yes” right away and WISH you said “no”?

That is the most awesome thing I heard all week. I’m a novelist and…. do you mind if I just…. you know…. plagiarize that line for one of my books?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Well, you should know that all advice is pointless when going your own way. I wasn’t trying to convince you of anything or sell you on anything…. that’s what everyone ELSE is doing. You will notice my responses to your questions ended with a QUESTION and not really an ANSWER. Only you have the answer.

That is the most awesome thing I heard all week. I’m a novelist and…. do you mind if I just…. you know…. plagiarize that line for one of my books?

“NO”.

(lol)

Sure go right ahead. It would be my honor. If they make it into a movie, you can buy me a beer. I wish you every success with that. Cheers!

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Tbowden1Participant 195]

@dkaikster – Another thing to consider when you are referencing your mother’s views.. Your mother, like mine, grew up in a COMPLETELY different generation.. In my mom’s generation, she stayed home, cooked, cleaned, scrubbed the floors, and made her main priority to take care of the home. My Dad went to work and provided financially.. This is a mutual agreement between two people that provide different benefits to a marriage..

NOW.. the likelihood of you finding a woman in today’s society with the same beliefs of the mothers in a previous generation are extremely low. Those women are gone (at least here in America). As the great Tom Leykis says:
“Back in these days men went to work all day and took care of the finances, and the women stayed home and cleaned house all day, raised children and it was equal. They didnt have social networking accounts, and role models like kim kardashian and lindsey lohan… but those days are long gone. Most women (didn’t say all) in today’s generation are scandalous skanks, these women want you to bring home more money, so they can go buy more clothes, go tanning, get boob jobs, and then women spend their days posting selfies on Facebook/twitter of their new hair or bikini shots getting likes/comments talking about how pretty they are. They spend their days chatting with their 864 friends, 812 of which are guys that have an interest beyond friendship. They keep all their ex boyfriends in close reach, in case things don’t work out. It has never been easier to be unfaithful than it is in our generation today.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

One of the seniors in my family lived through WWII and was grateful to get a potato which she had to share with her sister. Women today make her sick. For 6 years she ate nothing but mushy cold potatoes. And she was grateful for it. Age 6 to 12. She still talks about seeing these potatoes at the market and she walks right by them not being able to understand how people find them tasty.

A few years ago, she came for a visit and I prepared dinner. As soon as I sat down, she started crying because she couldn’t believe the difference 70 years had made, but she’s still thankful for every meal, and when someone else prepares it, her heart explodes.

On a 4th (or 5th) date a few years ago, an American female was a guest at my place and I prepared cut strawberries with a scoop of ice-cream, and a wedge of bittersweet fine chocolate. There are women who would give their eye teeth to date a guy like that. This bitch pushed the bowl aside and said she doesn’t eat strawberries because (are you sitting down?) the seeds get stuck in her teeth.

“well would you look at the time. Let me call you a cab”.
…. and I hit the ejector seat button with my fist.

There are only two words for that:

GET.

OUT.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[DkaiksterParticipant 90]

<cite>@tbowden1 said:</cite>
@dkaikster – Another thing to consider when you are referencing your mother’s views.. Your mother, like mine, grew up in a COMPLETELY different generation.. In my mom’s generation, she stayed home, cooked, cleaned, scrubbed the floors, and made her main priority to take care of the home. My Dad went to work and provided financially.. This is a mutual agreement between two people that provide different benefits to a marriage..

NOW.. the likelihood of you finding a woman in today’s society with the same beliefs of the mothers in a previous generation are extremely low. Those women are gone (at least here in America). As the great Tom Leykis says:

Thanks for the replies. But thing is, I already know it and believe it. Hence I am here at MGTOW. But I shudder at the thought that my parents would not come to believe that. In any case, I am going to fight as long as I have breath in my body. In the end, even if I do end up getting married, I swear to you that I WILL turn my wife into a Womenis instead of becoming a Mangina! (Not sure if such a term exists). But yeah, I don’t believe they can force me to marry, because frankly, they can take me up to the alter but in the end, I am the one who has to say “I don’t”.

[XwhYParticipant 16]

It sounds to me like you are actually longing for the connection and love that marriage at one time used to offer. Do not beat yourself up for wanting more than sex and solitude. But at this time, connection and love are not an option. Women no longer posses the ability to move past sexual attraction and choose to love a man. Choosing to love a man goes against everything that they have been taught about their worth, and everything they have been taught to define as love. For now, marriage does not actually exist.

[CodeWorrierParticipant 1]

I couldn’t agree more with XwhY. Here’s a quote from a renowned Aussie Feminazi, whose appearance on a recent television programme downunder has caused just a bit of a storm in a teacup: “When you have a society where women’s main currency is really their sexual favours, their ability to reproduce, then a lot of what women do is a form of prostitution”. Maybe she has a point. http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/jane-caro-compares-housewives-to-prostitutes-on-abcs-qa-program/story-e6frfmyi-1227044623648

According to Caro, marriage really equates to nothing more than prostitution, where poor, powerless women are forced to sell their reproductive rights to their husbands in exchange for board, food, clothing, comfort, etc. However, and this is what Caro didn’t say, following divorce, the “prostitute” immediately becomes eligible to receive from her former husband (“client”) the family home, children, alimony / ongoing maintenance. Better still, the so-proclaimed “prostitute” may then re-marry another mug, and go on to receive his assets also, in addition to the already acquired material wealth extracted from her previous client, I mean, husband.

So, all things considered, why would any man in his right mind even consider entering into a one-sided, stupid, legally binding agreement that is called “marriage”?

[CCC75Participant 13]

Great point. I’m  three months into a breakup with my fiancé. Questioning everything. I have to admit a lot of us go on autopilot when we are following the whole marriage script; sort of like

“Nah, divorce is for the other guys” or ” it just won’t happen to me”…..

But after she refused to sign the prenupt I just cannot fathom to potentially lose half of my wealth.

It’s overwhelming being alone now but I am seeing things for what they are with more clarity. I have to thank you guys for bringing up Tom leykis he is an invaluable resource on this topic!

[MendokusaiParticipant 256]

Womin were a different breed a few generations ago when they WERE women,marriages lasted because BOTH parties worked at it for the sake of the children and relatives.Family and social values were stronger as well,a good work ethic,commitment to job and family.Now look at the mess here with decades of liberation and a I don’t give a s~~~ attitude,it’s not my responsibility(insert bs excuse) blame everyone but yourself kind of thinking. North America is run by corporations and lawyers and any real value or ethics is lost to marketing hype and greed.

[AFTParticipant 2725]

Those divorce stories are a great eye opener and good preventative medicine against the disease of marriage.  One of the problems I have and I notice it recurring in the forums, is the time spent thinking about women and relationships.  It is difficult to adjust to a new paradigm, and cope with the new level of freedom, perhaps real freedom for the first time in a man’s life.  It is important to sit down and list all the things you want to do, prioritise them and organise them into long medium and short term goals.

 

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[KeymasterKeymaster]

One of the problems I have and I notice it recurring in the forums, is the time spent thinking about women and relationships

If women didn’t go out of their way to misrepresent themselves and – and revel so much in financially destroying men’s lives – this wouldn’t be necessary for the benefit of other men. But it most certainly is. Life for men is already a challenge enough (having to earn their way out of worthlessness) to have to be forced to battle with women in their personal lives and overcome this kind of s~~~. By talking about it, we are quite literally saving lives, futures and fortunes.

The personal goals, struggles, and moves forward can be sliced right in half virtually negating his life’s work.
We are doing what we can to put an end to that s~~~.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AFTParticipant 2725]

I see the importance of opening mens eyes to reality, in  fact society’s eyes, in order to get a better deal for all men and a fairer way forward.  I have taken the red pill, and see things more clearer, it is an adjustment, to my reality, and I reject the blue pill reality, and certainly any thoughts of a LTR.  Having said that, I still think about women an inordanate amount, and I noticed that thinking about women is a recurring theme, I understand that it is in order to help future men see the light, however once we’ve seen it, surely it is more beneficial to focus on ourselves.

It is sort of like I was a slave my whole life, and now I’ve taken my freedom, the last thing I want to do is think about slavery.  Sure its important to highlight all the risks and problems to guys especially the younger less worldly guys, to let them know what land mines lay ahead, but once we are free, it is just as important hearing about what men are doing with their freedom.  That is what I meant by focussing on my future goals, it helps me take my mind off the blue pill illusion, of a fantasy woman.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[RoyDalParticipant]

KeyMaster mentions the movie Divorce Corp. Here is its IMDb link. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2636456/

I’ve never married and never will, but I do plan to watch this movie. Thanks for the tip, KeyMaster!

UPDATE: Here’s a half-hour interview with the filmmaker.

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