Why Tinder and Online Dating don't work

[avillaxParticipant 280]

So I’m pretty sure you all know by now that online dating doesn’t work.

Here are the facts: I’m a good looking guy with the right online profile and pics and I get 0 dates from different dating sites, why is that?

The reason is that every girl who is at least “acceptable looking” gets on average 30 messages per day. They get so many that they don’t bother on visiting the sites or going though them, any message you send them won’t even be read, no matter if you’re a “hunk”.

In Mexico, online super loser ugly women or old single mothers use dating sites since society puts great shame on using these sites since just like in the USA women get too much attention from needy men regardless of how they look and so using dating sites for them is unnecessary. If you find an attractive profile in Mexico it’s probably a fake one to begin with.

In the USA as stated above, too many needy men giving them attention, empowering them with attention, the society is more individualistic so using dating site does come across women’s mind often and you can find a few attractive ones, but after being messaged 30 times per day again your chances of dating them are completely gone.

I never ever got a date from somebody I contacted online in the USA or MEX.

Now it was the turn of Europe, for the first time of my life (and being a good looking man) I got my first online date ever here in Prague, the girl in question was a cute 20 year old Russian. Russians I’ve found out are the most likely women to go out with you from online sites since they are direct, don’t play games and many don’t live in their motherland and since people don’t like them for being Russians then they don’t have social circles and are friendly and open to dating, but they are a rare exception.

Here I have gone on more online dates but mostly in sites where you don’t get to see the women and these turned out to be not so attractive. As far as contacting cute girls online, mostly the same, 0 dates after too much effort.

Now when it comes to Tinder, I had a friend who was getting many dates/banging girls from Tinder, he’s also one of those lucky 20/80 guys who gets all the women in any environment and of course also treats them as disposable things (which women love although they say they don’t, you know women logic)

So I pimped my Tinder profile with awesome shots of me surfing, some handsome shots, some social shots, and in about 2 months I’ve gotten more than 60 matches! How many dates have I actually gotten after that?   1,   1 stupid date out of 60 matches and hours of conversations that led nowhere, worst thing is that I’m using exactly the same lines/ideas that my 20/80 friend is using but he gets dates/laid all the time time and I don’t which seems to have no explanation.

Also if I have 60 matches, the reality is that attractive women get about 600 matches! Not only that, but on my quest to find answers I paid $5 to a “Tinder-Guru” who gave me a guide about what to say etc which in the end also didn’t make a difference but this guy says something that seems to be be screwed up and disturbing, which is:

Us men as logical creatures we use Tinder with the objective of getting a date/getting laid. I mean, after all it is a “Dating app” meant for “Dating”, pretty logical huh?

Well, according to this expert and which is probably true is that women don’t use Tinder with that purpose, for women, the objective of using Tinder is conversation, and the goal is conversation itself (women logic).

So of course his strategy is to keep the conversation going until stupid women realize “wow, I’ve spent many hours talking to this guy, he gets me, I feel a connection, I might allow him to go out with me”

This is of course, probably and sadly true. In the end as a male you have to invest hours of your life having conversation with multiple women with the hopes of she giving you permission to go out with her. Again, it is always women the ones with the power, and after all the effort and realizing that I’m 32 years old then I wonder “Is it really worth it?”, “To invest so many hours of my life sort of begging another human being of the opposite sex to have a human interaction with me?” “Are women really worth this prize?” After pondering on these things it once again made me realize that the purpose of finding a woman was just nonsense.

Why did I use Tinder or online dating on the first place anyways you ask? Well, I work as a freelance translator, work at home, all of my friends are married and their acquaintances are married so it’s not fun to hang out with them anymore nor then can provide single female acquaintances for me to meet, and this is the problem that people who are getting older always face in their social lives so Online dating seemed like the answer, but I guess not. Please coment.

 

[a bananaParticipant 288]

I think this sums it up

[RoyDalParticipant]

That is a good article. It’s nice to see science well done and relevant to our real world.

Yep, that video sums it up alright. If I were into dating, I would use his strategy.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

The online world isn’t that much different than the real world there is only one difference. In the real world you are exposed to more women so your chances are greater, however, you have to deal with women in public – some of which have no problem attempting to humiliate you. So you can go the safe route which takes longer, or the more dangerous route which pays off slightly faster. Everything else you said is a separate topic.

[treelville..miamiParticipant 893]

These self loathing broads know exactly what they are, call them on it and they come flocking like birds.

"The wounds of honor are self inflicted"

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

@ OP: Very plausible explanations there. And the video above adds everything else unsaid to it. Now you know gents, just a few hours ago regarding this subject I found yet another very fresh revealing video by MGTOW Messenger or “Messenger rising”, in which he also made a social experiment on some chat site with as it turned out a cougar type who already hit the wall, very insightful but do check it out yourselves & here it is:

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[BeerParticipant 11832]

My take on online dating – 90% of the people on their are full of s~~~.  Being one of the honest 10% would put you at a huge disadvantage.  It doesn’t matter if you have a 60-80k a year job that you love…other people are business owners, CEO’s, doctors, and lawyers.  Just think about how many girls you stumble upon that claim to be a nurse or a teacher…to me that would mean an RN or an actual school teacher…to women that means a 10 dollar an hour PCT job or some s~~~ wiping butts at a nursing home, or a part time job at a daycare.  How many women do you think post 3 year old pics from before they got fat?  How many do you chat with that give you the impression your social life is pathetic in comparison to theirs, but in reality they probably spend twice as many nights sitting home alone on Netflix as you.  Guys are doing the same type of persona inflation.

So basically your competition is inflated, and your target dating population’s self worth is inflated.  Plus you have to take into account that there are a ton more men than women on those sites.  Basically if you are a 7-8 in real life, that is used to dating 7-8s, don’t expect that online.  The 7-8s think they are all 10s, and they are chasing after guys that are feeding them the best line of s~~~.  Unless you want to settle for 3-4s online dating is going to largely be a waste of time.  You just end up wasting a lot of time sitting in front of a screen chatting with girls you probably aren’t going to be interested in much even if you get the chance to meet them…sure you might get lucky once in a great while but is it really worth the effort?  IMO your really better off joining some co-ed classes or leagues or something, at least people can’t hype themselves up as much when your actually meeting them in real life.

[avillaxParticipant 280]

Well it is funny, here in Czech Republic, for anything there are always more women than men, so it is advantageous but still you have to go through the same world standard s~~~.

For instance, one of my best friends who is a she here in Prague is also on Tinder, and she’s a good girl, also I  saw a girl that my 20/80 friend was dating/banging for a month she was also on Tinder and I had a student from Lithuania who was really cute and she attended one of my meditation classes and never came back but I also saw her on Tinder.

So I came to the conclusion that everyone was on Tinder. The problem is that as I mentioned, women use it for conversation, not for dating, and they still have the upper hand, you have to lure them to accept a date which is too much effort and it makes me question weather it is worth it.

We all know dating dynamics are from the times of Jesus Christ and it doesn’t favor us, women always have the last opinion and the fact that they get approached anywhere is just a nightmare.

This, plus my experience with bad relationships plus seeing many guys being misserable when in a relationship, plus getting to know the crap that women have in their souls is what has driven me to stop chasing them.

It is a vicious cycle taught by society, my parents put lots of pressure on me getting married, they have even asked me if I’m gay, friends make fun of you if you don’t get enough women, my best friend is a 20/80 male that gets lots of pussy and he makes fun of me. In the end, I have to accept that I wasnt born to be a gigolo and that women dont really bring happiness, it’s just marketing.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

This is why you only go after the hookup dude. It is a numbers game, plain and simple, there is no sense in “dating” and going after a “possible lay”, only go after the guaranteed lay/make out. Your game should revolve around getting to the point as quick as possible, which is to hang out at your place, her place, or anywhere where it is understood there is going to be intimacy. If they don’t respond to that, next the bitch.

[avillaxParticipant 280]

No Snake, I was actually doing that, going to the point as fast as possible and it turns out they go cold and stop answering the moment you suggest going out. It’s like they feel pressed or something, because they’re just there for the conversation, and they stop talking as always without any honor or values, so no matter how many times I nexted them, the next one was just the same, it was a waste of time. An invention by men to get something done, in this case dating, once again ruined by women.

By the way, I don’t know if you ever heard about the time women tried to be creative and create their own Tinder version. It’s called Siren and it was supposed to “Keep women in control” as if they weren’t already, and created a stupid feminist apt that had design and implementation bugs that not all the needy men in the world were able to fix. It turned out to be a fiasco, nothing worked, as expected:

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/artist-makes-a-feminist-dating-app-and-calls-it-siren/Content?oid=20548215

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Yeah, but what I am saying is, is do you think it is any different in real life? It’s the same gold diggers, lol. You said they are just there for the conversation..do you think these women aren’t f~~~ing? They are most definitely f~~~ing, brother. You will be hard pressed to f~~~ one that has had less partners than you have.

It goes back to the looks, money, sexual satisfaction. If you cannot offer a woman at least one of those you are absolutely irrelevant to her as far as a mate. She is looking for two out of those three, and her Mr. Right has all three. If you are finding it to be a waste of your time then simply rent a prostitute like I suggested. Whores are the future bro, no man wants to sit here and wine and dine and date these f~~~ing lazy slores. You aren’t going to marry them so wtf is the point of dating them. Do a cost-benefit analysis and then do what makes you happy.

[avillaxParticipant 280]

Yeah that’s also part of the continuation of the story of where I stand now. Like I said, I am good looking and have some really cool profile pics but I discovered the difference between me who can’t convert matches to dates and my 20/80 friend who is f~~~ing a lot through Tinder is that in his profile he states “I’m 6’2” and that’s it, that’s the difference ‘cuz we even use the same lines.

So it means chicks are not really looking for good looking guys, they’re looking for tall guys with big frames or lots of money. I don’t have any of those two things, and even my good looks and my training in the seduction community is not enough to get a constant supply of pussy. I did my calculations and I would require going to clubs 10 times and staying until 5 am and really going with the mindset of getting laid in order to get 1 night stand.

Since I’m living in Prague, here prostitution is pretty much legal and it costs $100 to f~~~ a gorgeous Czech girl. I’m really thinking about it, I’d actually like to hear your experiences with hoes, it just seems to be the best budget-wise, time-wise solution to a problem and boy let me tell you, in the USA making prostitution legal should be the N.1 priority, ‘cuz those ugly whale feminist, self-entitled “women” you have over there are a real headache.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

I have never f~~~ed a prostitute, but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t or am against it. I just find the whole “hunt” for vagina to be somewhat entertaining on a primal level. Yes, it is a waste of time. Playing video games is a waste of time as well. Whatever floats your boat.

The difference this time around is, is that I am not stressing this s~~~ at all. When I was younger, I stressed it because I still had blue pill thoughts like “am I ever going to find a woman to marry, etc.” Today, I am beyond that s~~~ and don’t give a f~~~. If I get thirsty and want to get laid, no pussy cartel is going to stop me. I will fly right over to Vegas or Reno and come back and get on with my life.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Snake wrote:

If you are finding it to be a waste of your time then simply rent a prostitute like I suggested. Whores are the future bro, no man wants to sit here and wine and dine and date these f~~~ing lazy slores. You aren’t going to marry them so wtf is the point of dating them. Do a cost-benefit analysis and then do what makes you happy.

I always thought I’d never f~~~ a prostitute because it was kinda gross how many other dudes they’ve f~~~ed already, but, given what sluts a lot of women have turned into prostitutes are sounding quite a bit more attractive.

[AkibarangerParticipant 37]

Never been with a prostitute either but I’m starting to respect them more to a degree.
Don’t worry, not going to go on a rant, but you have to give it to them, they are honest about what they do and will give you a good time in exchange for money just like any other establishment. If it was any other type of business, I’d say that’s pretty much what you want and if they are delivering what they advertise I say more power to them haha I say three cheers for prostitutes!

[Jackson1888Participant 111]

Well, as a Sexless MGTOW (which I am proud to say is who I am), I can honestly tell you that I personally viewed an online dating site earlier today. I read the original Post and simply found that the thoughts going through his head are the same thoughts I had. And therefore not MGTOW. A MGTOW doesn’t take the time to analyze a women. He basically just says “No Thanks”.

 

That’s the bottom line. I don’t have the time or the energy to put ANY thought into a women. If they are not willing to be my personal slave, do my laundry, cook meals, do the shopping, then they are of no value to me PERIOD. No matter what they look like. If they take my focus away from my work even 5% they are gone…

 

MGTOW

[Jackson1888Participant 111]

Women aint S~~~!  I would rather have sex with a bulldog at this point. I really mean that.

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