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Converting an adult to a religion is alot harder since you have to convince them that their worldview is wrong but kids have not developed their worldview so you can instill the message into them.
I don’t really think you have to convince them their worldview is wrong…I agree with a lot of the core concepts of what religion used to stand for…I just don’t believe in the almighty being in the sky or the money making behemoth most organized religions have turned into. But in general I agree, I think once a person goes atheist its a hell of a lot harder to get them to believe in what they already put on the same level as Santa Clause than it is to convince a kid or convert someone from another religion.
The religious crowd hates us because were not doing what society has stated to us since we are born, Be a good DRONE, do as your told.
1. Go to school.
2. Get a Job.
3. Get a girlfriend.
4. Buy a house.
5. Have a family.
But US MGTOWS are saying to hell with step 3,4,5 as they have no control over us, and how our money is spent. With the a wife they know money will go into the church. (this is why they shame us)
The religious hate MGTOW as they avoid marriage at all costs.
Because they want couples to have large family’s, and the church loves big family’s as it puts more money into the church. (This is why Marriage is the most important thing to the church. It gets them to make steady income of MONEY, with the more attending the more they make)
But I know some religious women and they are worse than most women.Us men didn't start the battle of the sexes, but we're clearly going to win it via the simple tactic of just leaving the battlefield in contempt."
Anonymous42I think if Jesus came back today he’d be kicking over church pews instead of flipping over merchant’s tables!
I actually just started a video serie called “Accusations against MGTOW” which deals with alot of the points raised in this thread.
www.commentsandcriticisms.tk
In thinking about this and trying to come up with a theory on the reason for the hate of mgtow, let’s rule out what we can be confident is not the reason. If you are hated by someone who’s never seen you, it can’t be your appearance they hate you for. If it’s occurring over the internet, then they’ve never been exposed to your behavior, so it can’t be that. If you’ve never been in their physical presence, it can’t be anything you’ve done to them.
Basically, if all they have to identify you with is an idea, expressed over the internet, then that’s all they have to lock on to hate you for, so let’s focus on that.
Holding just for the sake of this discussion that westernized women see relationships with men as an opportunity to gain something, mgtow even when just expressed as an idea on the internet, represents a loss of whatever that gain would have been. This idea spread to one man is the potential loss of whatever could be gotten from that one man. Spread to many men, this idea is the loss of what could be gotten from many men. Either way, it’s a loss.
There are predictable stages to the reaction to loss: Denial, bargaining, anger and acceptance. Which of these you, as a mgtow are getting from a particular female depends on which stage she is in. First, you may be ignored, discounted or ridiculed. This is denial in the mind of a female who’s been told and believes you can’t be without a female, and will do whatever it takes to have one. Moving on from there, you will be shamed as loser, can’t get a woman, etc. This shaming is thinly veiled attempt to get you to come back and try harder. They’ve acknowledged you walking away, but are trying to find a way to get you to return (bargaining). If you really were a loser, what would they care if you walked away?
This is also the source of the complaint, “where have all the good men gone…?”. This acknowledges that there are good men somewhere, and that they want one. And this statement is predicated on the assumption that when that good man can be located, she will have one. The question, of course, translates to “where have all the useful men gone who will make themselves available to produce resources to be extracted…?”. It’s all bargaining in an attempt to get back what has been lost.
The hate comes from the anger at the next stage. You walk away and don’t respond by returning to try harder. They’ve acknowledged you walking away and have recognized that the attempts to get you to return have failed. No more ‘good men’ can be located. At this point, the absence of what you would have produced and provided is being felt. The loss is becoming real. It may be a little frightening as there is no back up plan for replacing what you produced. The loss of the service of people historically guaranteed to sweat, bleed and die to make sure your needs are met is not a subtle one. Who’s going to do that now? Panic appears in the distance, smiles and waves a friendly hello…
But I don’t think that’s where the real hate comes from.
In order to ‘lose’ something, you must first ‘have’ it. No one will wake up tomorrow with hate as a result of not having millions of dollars. They didn’t have it today or yesterday either. But a person who hit the lottery a while back and had the chance to take and feel ownership of millions will wake up tomorrow with rage and hate if they find that what they once had has now been taken from them. And no one is more dangerous than a person born rich facing the possibility of poverty.
I might not even notice someone walking away from me. But I notice if they take something with them that was mine. And that is the source of the hate IMHO. It is not so much that they (haters) are losing what they expected to get from you. It is that what they expected to get from you (sweat, blood, money, attention, loyalty, resources etc) was something they believed they already owned. Failure to deliver something that was expected creates disappointment, but taking something from someone they already owned creates the rage and hate.
To me, the hate of the idea of mgtow results from that perception that something they owned is being taken from them. It’s a tell-tale sign of the way they think of you. In their minds, they already own you. To illustrate: a rancher does not feel rage and hate from the birth of a stillborn calf. But he will rage, hate and expend great energy to destroy a thief (or an idea) who leads a calf away from the herd he owns…
If my theory is accurate, the most intense hate should not come from really beautiful women. They know they’ll find a ‘good man’ to produce for them sooner or later. And, it won’t come from the hideous, obese-since-childhood women. They always knew they never had a chance, and that there was never anyone waiting to produce for them. The most intense hate should come from those in the middle, when they are just starting to impact on the wall, who would have had a shot a generation or two ago, but not anymore. There are no ‘good men’ for them, but they’ve always believed there would be. If my theory is correct, that’s where the most intense hate should come from…
(PS: When you see a post wall woman go quiet, become lesbian or start adopting cats, that’s acceptance.) 🙂
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Anonymous12MGTOW is a threat because in society men are expected to be of service to females whether it be as dates, fathers, husbands, care takers, breadwinners, lovers, defenders or anything else.
So if men pull away from women then women have to start fending for themselves, of course what they will do is force through laws to make it easier for themselves but they still won’t have men.
MGTOW also can’t be shamed or manipulated, that is also a threat to them, we can’t be lured into strip clubs to spend all our money or shamed into getting married or chasing women, we don’t care. Simple as that.
Mgtow is hated especially among the religious crowd and women who view mgtow as the enemy.
The the religious crowd hm? You mean those who appear to “lead” the “religious crowd” don’t you?
They hate us because it’s the spirit of god that moves freely among us without the loud mouth misdirection of clucking and chattering women. We’re closer to GOD and that’s what p~~~es them off!
Jealousy! They worship pussy, we worship the truth!They take all of what a man’s supposed to do for a woman and make it the pinnacle and directives for all achievements, at the same time they ignore and stricken from the message all that a woman’s supposed to do as a woman in serving the man.
God will not allow it, that’s why we’re so happy and they’re so angry and miserable.
Women were created to serve men, not the other way around! MGTOW have adapted to the ways of self-serve forced upon us!
Now women are utterly lost and don’t know what to do, that’s why we see so much organized insanity! They put the horse behind the carriage then feverishly pushed the carriage backwards crushing the horse.This is why the site is so valuable…posts like this. So much win here. The real question is how to get back to what once was? I fear that it’s likely to be a war that brings us there , and the nut jobs coming out of the middle east will likely be our opponent.
Women are always complaining about how terrible men are. Complaining about how men always mistreat them, harass them, catcall them, and so on.
MGTOW are the only men guaranteed to never do any of those things, we’re the only men guaranteed to leave women alone 100%. We’re the only men guaranteed to never bother women. You’d think that the women would love us…
MGTOW is beyond left and right. We are hated by the left and the right.
The left hates us because we are “sexist”. We know that men and women are different. We talk about the difference between men and women. We say the words “bitch” and “c~~~” because we just do. We don’t try to tear apart “sexist” stories. We think that “absurdly proportioned” female characters are just fine. We think that the “distressed damsel” archetype is no big deal. We think that “cute clumsy moe girls” are not degrading at all. We prefer women who worship men and act cute. We don’t think that “strong women” deserve respect.
The right hates us because we don’t want kids. We defend porn and masturbation. We don’t want to get married. We don’t care about “racial purity”. We engage in extramarital sex.
Both sides hate us because we don’t want to fix the world. We’d rather sit back and watch it burn.
MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot
I’d be willing to bet that more men hate MGTOW than women.
I’d be willing to bet that more men hate MGTOW than women.
MGTOW means less competition of the wimmmin… Maybe many men confuse MGTOW with PUA-types.
"Expecting to find a decent woman on a dating site is like dumpster diving and expecting to come out with a gourmet meal." Won'tGetFooledAgain
I think most women are not used to being said “No”. They don’t understand. People fear what they don’t understand.
MGTOW is the manifestation of a singe word “No” -> negative. Hence, it gets a lot of negative feedback. Anything built around a negative mindset is gonna get negative feedback.
Feminism was hardcore negative. Hence it has mutated into a social cancer.
But what’s different with MGTOW is that even though its built around a negative mindset, it helps men achieve positive results in life; it spreads the message of self-sustainability, self-improvement, self-esteem etc. etc. in short its positive values outweigh whatever negative vaues it propagates. That is why it’ll never fail.A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
The douchebags at RoK also have some pretty dumb things to say about us.
“Aside from avoiding women (in actuality being rejected by them), VGTOWs indulge in every vice available to them, from Cheetos to video games to masturbation. Their lifestyles are the very opposite of self-control.”
First of all, not all of us are virgins.
Second, real friends don’t bully each other over virginity. Some of my friends are adult virgins. I treat them with respect and dignity because they’re fun and great.
The MGTOW movement allows men to embrace their “childish” imagination. MGTOWs also develop a strong sense of friendship. PUAs will never understand that. You can never experience true friendship if every moment of your life is a p~~~ing contest. You shouldn’t try to “out-macho” a guy if he is your friend.“The ‘migtow’ aversion to interacting with women also has a less pleasant parallel to radical feminism. In the 1970’s, extremist feminists such as Andrea Dworkin argued for ‘political lesbianism,’ where feminists only had relationships with other women, regardless of their sexual orientation. Dworkin’s logic was that since men were oppressing women, feminists who dated men were literally fraternizing with the enemy.”
Yeah … some women don’t want to spend time with men. Who the f~~~ cares? That doesn’t effect me.
We agree with radical feminists one one thing? Who cares? We are a mirror of radical feminism? Whatever. So what?
“Despite their claims that ‘there’s no difference between the left and the right,’ ‘migtows’ almost never attack the misandrist, feminist left, even though it’s the left who holds all the power in the West.”
What the f~~~ is this s~~~?
“Their impotent rage against anything deemed ‘TradCon’—even though ‘TradCons’ have virtually no influence in society—indicates that ‘migtows’ are just as opposed to the natural order of humanity as the average pierced-lipped, easily ‘triggered’ Tumblrina.”
Tradcons have no influence in society? What are you smoking?
“‘Migtows’ are the social justice warriors of the manosphere: hysterical, intolerant of criticism, and driven entirely by emotion. Their vision of masculinity is one in which men turn inward, refusing to accomplish anything of value or engage with the world beyond crying on the Internet. MGTOW is no place for men who are proud of being men.”
Brotherhood has value. Have you ever got together with the broz and played video games?
Being a bro is awesome. I love getting together with the guys and acting like a 14 year old. We swear. We shout. We tell jokes about titties. It’s all good.
You’ll never experience that if you devote your life to “self-control” and treat every other man as a competitor.
MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot
Easy. When you decide that you have had enough, that you aren’t going to be a slave providing grist for the mill, other people’s paychecks take a cut. It doesn’t take much for one man to support himself. Tax man gets a cut, corporation can’t work you as hard and can’t control you, economy loses some consumption, a woman doesn’t get a man – has to survive on their own….
It is always about the money.
VGTOW ? I didn’t realize a virgin could be a MGTOW. The “M” in MGTOW stands for Men right?
Easy. When you decide that you have had enough, that you aren’t going to be a slave providing grist for the mill, other people’s paychecks take a cut. It doesn’t take much for one man to support himself. Tax man gets a cut, corporation can’t work you as hard and can’t control you, economy loses some consumption, a woman doesn’t get a man – has to survive on their own….
It is always about the money.
Agree there are big savings by not having a women’s hand on your wallet. However between taxes inflation and Real Estate – you’re still a slave.
Slaves on their masters plantations received free food, housing, medical care, parties (a happy slave is a productive slave and that’s why your manager forces you to go to the companies holiday parties), child support, soap, candles, and retirement.
Most plantation slaves basic housing and survival needs were met, given the standard of the time period. The return on investment per slave, according to Peter Schiff was around 10%. Today, the government steals 25% -50% of your money through taxes. That’s 2.5 – 5x what a plantation slave produced.
It would be one thing if my taxes went to improving my community and those less fortunate. But the facts are the money goes to pure s~~~. Every penny is spent on interest on the 20 trillion $ national debt to fund this house of cards. Just like credit card minimum payments.
Then you have your Landlord or Bank. These are also your slave masters. The typical renter spends 33% of his after tax income on rent or mortgage. In metro areas it’s easily 50% or more. Both commit to a lifetime of renter slavery or 30-40 years of mortgage slavery for what is essentially 4 walls and a roof. The materials cost and labor alone is a mere fraction of the rent or mortgage.
At the same time median incomes have decreased since 1999, while housing prices have exploded and rent continues to go up.
When it’s all said and done you keep a mere 25% of your labor or less. And that’s before your first divorce.
It’s only a matter of time before they discover that extra MGTOW singles money in the system and raise tax brackets on singles with no kids.
They don’t want you to have any money. They just want you to die with $0.00.
@ Michael
It is exactly like that. I try to pay as little attention to the whole system as possible. No or little (news) consumption (neither TV nor newspapers) .I dont vote and I no longer talk about social and economic problems that I can not change. Countercyclical behavior is poison for the system of exploitation. I hardly buy things hyped and heavily advertised. Consuming senseless products is the adrenaline of the system, therefore, women are also addressed as intensively by advertising.
I think Varum had it the closest. It is not about hatred, but about the fact that women both fear and resent us. Which depends on how well they get what they want, or decide what they need from us.
It comes down to the fact that Women do not know how to be human beings anymore, but men do. That makes us a big unknown to many of them, so women take that insecurity of knowledge and turn it around into the practice of hating and criticizing what they cannot understand. Such attacks make them feel empowered, and leaves them with some sense of accomplishment – yet they cannot explain what they have accomplished, nor understand how totally anti-social their femcentric practices actually are.
I see the MGTOW movement as more about re-educating women about what it is to be a responsible human being, regardless of their gender. The little princesses that fear this kind of responsibility seek to blame us for their inabilities, by making up irrational logic that the other girlies then trumpet.
Some women have grown up and can be human, but they are far from the majority. If you want a woman who has some sense of their humanity then look at old-fashioned tomboy girls. The kind who grow up just being one of the boys in how they think and see the world. These women are less likely to have been accepted into the cult of idol that most women subscribe too. That is why frankly most women learn not to think for themselves. They are too busy following the herd.
But as the others said… if a woman hates you then you must be doing something right. Just don’t be so arrogant as to think you are always right. Humility is a male virtue too, that has fallen out of favor in some circles.
Hatred as practice by women is merely a side-effect, and not the root problem. It is a symptom of the disease that femcentrism has birthed – and that they are so proud of having pro-created.
"Women have become so full of hatred that they are blind to reason and humanity. That which they practice will be the end of humanity, long before any war that men may fight.." "Women are predators by nature. Why else do you think they are so quick to gang up and go after a man they hate for showing any sign of weakness?"
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