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I was warned when I was 17 to go my own way. An acting teacher I had told us that the suburban life of wife, 2 kids and a station wagon was a “wet dream”.
As with most 17 year old’s I didn’t listen.
Two ex-wives, 300,000.00 lighter for custody fights as well as one child torn apart by an abusive mother who won’t be happy if my son has any relationship with me 19 years post divorce. I have learned my lesson.
My ex had post partum depression very severe. She left when my son was 9 months and I raised him alone until age 3 then shared 50/50 with my ex.
It was then that I became an active MRA. As an MRA your directly fighting feminists that are embedded in the government and academia so that fighting feminists starts to define you as only anti-feminist.
But to gain parental rights for men you have to overcome obstacles placed in your way in a fight for dominance over feminists in the eyes of the politicians that make the laws.
Most MRA stuff goes on behind the scenes. There are now lobbyists in most states made up of very knowledgeable and push state legislation to make things like 50/50 physical custody and DNA evidence for determination of parenthood should doubts arise. If you lived with the child you were, and in some states still are, responsible for child support for the entire 18 years. Even though you were lied to. That is changing due to MRA pressure.
When MRA’s began to become organized there was a site called “Mens News Daily” which became the MRA and philosophically anti feminist site.
The first real flexing of the MRA muscle came with the “Boys are Stupid, Throw Rocks at Them controversy in which Glenn Sacks, who I knew personally, created a campaign of MRA’s online to stop the selling of this shirt. Most big retailers stopped selling the shirt and it was outlawed in Canada.
Here is a wiki clearly edited to hell by feminists but it was a major battle for MRA’s and we won easily.
“Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them!” is a slogan on a T-shirt by Florida clothing company David and Goliath which in 2003 became the subject of a campaign by radio-host and fathers’ rights activist Glenn Sacks on the grounds of misandry and the incitement of violence against children. This raised national attention and led to the removal of the shirts from several thousand retail outlets.[1] Sacks’ campaign was criticized as focusing on a trivial issue.
(It wasn’t the particular issue, we we’re say Stop! Hell No Here’s the Line in the Sand!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_are_stupid,_throw_rocks_at_them!_controversyThen MGTOW came out and most MRA found it to be a curiosity and were very interested in what it meant. Most MRA’s supported MGTOW’s and I think they still do. We mainly hear from those who disagree.
My fighting days are over but I’m proud of them.
I see more overlap than differences between MRA’s and MGTOW’s.
Each has it’s place.
From what I know now I wish I had gone my own way since high school but I didn’t listen.
I’m hear and listening now.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
I’m hear and listening now.
You’re speaking and being heard.
Have bookmarked this for later and will contact you about pushing it forward where more eyes will see it. Thanks Puff. You’re a god among men.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.For instance, when I was born, women had been given the right to vote.
Women were given the special privilege of being able to vote without having to earn it by being subject to conscription.
Most MRA stuff goes on behind the scenes. There are now lobbyists in most states made up of very knowledgeable and push state legislation to make things like 50/50 physical custody and DNA evidence for determination of parenthood should doubts arise. If you lived with the child you were, and in some states still are, responsible for child support for the entire 18 years. Even though you were lied to. That is changing due to MRA pressure.
Working in the background, behind the scenes is consistent with MGTOW thought. Thank you for the post it’s good to hear the other side of the debate..
If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.
Anonymous54@ puff. Thanks for your years of fighting the good fight. I dont know how you do it.
Read that statement again gentlemen. That pretty much sums up marriage today. If the goal was to stay married, the law would apply a penalty to the person that wants out. Not hand out cash prizes from the other person and from the government.
It’s not a woman’s goal to stay married. I figured that out ages ago when they would ask “how come you’re not married?” and I would say “Because I don’t believe in divorce”.
This answer actually p~~~es women off. It irritates them.
But why? Wouldn’t she be charmed by that? Wouldn’t she smile think it’s “cute” that I am so hopeful that marriage should be forever or not at all? No, they just get uncomfortable because they know I know they aren’t looking to get married. They are looking to get DIVORCED.
My skin would crawl when they use terms like “starter husband”.. and “good on paper guy”. Right there, she already divorced him before her bulls~~~ wedding.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.The first real flexing of the MRA muscle came with the “Boys are Stupid, Throw Rocks at Them controversy in which Glenn Sacks, who I knew personally, created a campaign of MRA’s online to stop the selling of this shirt. Most big retailers stopped selling the shirt and it was outlawed in Canada
This is my point. A campaign to stop and get WORDS on a shirt outlawed. This is done using force!
If every woman in the world wants to buy and wear this shirt….etc, etc.
That is why I am not MRA.
To me MGTOW is the group that says “here is the way society is and I as an individual chose to not get involved.”
It’s also trys to sound the alarm and assist as possible. Etc. Etc. (Yes, I like etc’s)
Peace brothers
Anonymous42I was warned when I was 17 to go my own way. An acting teacher I had told us that the suburban life of wife, 2 kids and a station wagon was a “wet dream”.
As with most 17 year old’s I didn’t listen.
Two ex-wives, 300,000.00 lighter for custody fights as well as one child torn apart by an abusive mother who won’t be happy if my son has any relationship with me 19 years post divorce. I have learned my lesson.
My ex had post partum depression very severe. She left when my son was 9 months and I raised him alone until age 3 then shared 50/50 with my ex.
It was then that I became an active MRA. As an MRA your directly fighting feminists that are embedded in the government and academia so that fighting feminists starts to define you as only anti-feminist.
But to gain parental rights for men you have to overcome obstacles placed in your way in a fight for dominance over feminists in the eyes of the politicians that make the laws.
Most MRA stuff goes on behind the scenes. There are now lobbyists in most states made up of very knowledgeable and push state legislation to make things like 50/50 physical custody and DNA evidence for determination of parenthood should doubts arise. If you lived with the child you were, and in some states still are, responsible for child support for the entire 18 years. Even though you were lied to. That is changing due to MRA pressure.
When MRA’s began to become organized there was a site called “Mens News Daily” which became the MRA and philosophically anti feminist site.
The first real flexing of the MRA muscle came with the “Boys are Stupid, Throw Rocks at Them controversy in which Glenn Sacks, who I knew personally, created a campaign of MRA’s online to stop the selling of this shirt. Most big retailers stopped selling the shirt and it was outlawed in Canada.
Here is a wiki clearly edited to hell by feminists but it was a major battle for MRA’s and we won easily.
“Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them!” is a slogan on a T-shirt by Florida clothing company David and Goliath which in 2003 became the subject of a campaign by radio-host and fathers’ rights activist Glenn Sacks on the grounds of misandry and the incitement of violence against children. This raised national attention and led to the removal of the shirts from several thousand retail outlets.[1] Sacks’ campaign was criticized as focusing on a trivial issue.
(It wasn’t the particular issue, we we’re say Stop! Hell No Here’s the Line in the Sand!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_are_stupid,_throw_rocks_at_them!_controversyThen MGTOW came out and most MRA found it to be a curiosity and were very interested in what it meant. Most MRA’s supported MGTOW’s and I think they still do. We mainly hear from those who disagree.
My fighting days are over but I’m proud of them.
I see more overlap than differences between MRA’s and MGTOW’s.
Each has it’s place.
From what I know now I wish I had gone my own way since high school but I didn’t listen.
I’m hear and listening now.
Wow Puff, when you were fighting the throw rocks at boys I was rock stone solid MGTOW for 6 years looking at my whole life in front of me completely gynocentric free! It was the year I bought my kickass sled (rev 800 James Bond) by 04 I modified it for handling and traction, Spiked and removed and modified the beaver tail.
Life became SWEET once I decided to spit out the bitterness of women and merrily go my own way!
My best memories in life started after I s~~~canned the illusion that happiness is to be found somewhere in the garbage pile of modern narcissistic, legally lethal, and unaccountable maniac liberated women.
Feminism threw rocks that grew to become boulders in a massive societal landslide.
Anyone stupid enough to get married in this climate of man hatred backed by legal decree is in all reality an idiot surfing boulders in a landslide!
MGTOW peacefully float in a balloon high above the landslide and earthquake, we’re watching multitudes of men get legally shredded as the rocks and dust cover the landscape!
I was warned when I was 17 to go my own way. An acting teacher I had told us that the suburban life of wife, 2 kids and a station wagon was a “wet dream”.
As with most 17 year old’s I didn’t listen.
Two ex-wives, 300,000.00 lighter for custody fights as well as one child torn apart by an abusive mother who won’t be happy if my son has any relationship with me 19 years post divorce. I have learned my lesson.
My ex had post partum depression very severe. She left when my son was 9 months and I raised him alone until age 3 then shared 50/50 with my ex.
It was then that I became an active MRA. As an MRA your directly fighting feminists that are embedded in the government and academia so that fighting feminists starts to define you as only anti-feminist.
But to gain parental rights for men you have to overcome obstacles placed in your way in a fight for dominance over feminists in the eyes of the politicians that make the laws.
Most MRA stuff goes on behind the scenes. There are now lobbyists in most states made up of very knowledgeable and push state legislation to make things like 50/50 physical custody and DNA evidence for determination of parenthood should doubts arise. If you lived with the child you were, and in some states still are, responsible for child support for the entire 18 years. Even though you were lied to. That is changing due to MRA pressure.
When MRA’s began to become organized there was a site called “Mens News Daily” which became the MRA and philosophically anti feminist site.
The first real flexing of the MRA muscle came with the “Boys are Stupid, Throw Rocks at Them controversy in which Glenn Sacks, who I knew personally, created a campaign of MRA’s online to stop the selling of this shirt. Most big retailers stopped selling the shirt and it was outlawed in Canada.
Here is a wiki clearly edited to hell by feminists but it was a major battle for MRA’s and we won easily.
“Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them!” is a slogan on a T-shirt by Florida clothing company David and Goliath which in 2003 became the subject of a campaign by radio-host and fathers’ rights activist Glenn Sacks on the grounds of misandry and the incitement of violence against children. This raised national attention and led to the removal of the shirts from several thousand retail outlets.[1] Sacks’ campaign was criticized as focusing on a trivial issue.
(It wasn’t the particular issue, we we’re say Stop! Hell No Here’s the Line in the Sand!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_are_stupid,_throw_rocks_at_them!_controversyThen MGTOW came out and most MRA found it to be a curiosity and were very interested in what it meant. Most MRA’s supported MGTOW’s and I think they still do. We mainly hear from those who disagree.
My fighting days are over but I’m proud of them.
I see more overlap than differences between MRA’s and MGTOW’s.
Each has it’s place.
From what I know now I wish I had gone my own way since high school but I didn’t listen.
I’m hear and listening now.
I think that we are all proud of what you did, and I understand your sufferences and your fight.
Still, it’ll never work.
It presupposes that marriage can be fair towards men.
That’s biologically impossible: such kind of things are defined by the female of the species, because she need more resources and support for raising the offspring.
And, by the way, “boys are stupid, throw rocks at them” is a good message, it should be widespread, not censored: boys should wake up, otherwise they ARE stupid, and that would be a good way.
How many boys would have avoided marriage thanks to a widespread “boys are stupid, throw rocks at them” t-shirt? Hundreds? Thousands? Perhaps even hundred thousands? Nowadays at least half them wouldn’t have been divorce raped, other 25% wouldn’t be trapped in an horrible situation (“it’s cheaper staying married! I would lost my kids!”).
Marriage is not for men: most men are naturally promiscuos.
OLD Marriage wasn’t good for women: women are serially monogamous, they need to change man about each 7 years.
ACTUAL Marriage is perfect for women: they change man about each 7 years and they have bonuses like half his stuff.
Even if it would work, MRA could manage to return to something similar to the old marriage, hence a bad deal for both sexes, the only difference would be that the stability would be based on M.A.D. instead of morality and religion.
M.A.D. means Mutually Assured Destruction.
Women need to change men when they like (aka about each 7 years).
Men need no duties and responsibilites towards the women: that will never be achieved through laws.SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
Anonymous2I was warned when I was 17 to go my own way. An acting teacher I had told us that the suburban life of wife, 2 kids and a station wagon was a “wet dream”.
As with most 17 year old’s I didn’t listen.
Two ex-wives, 300,000.00 lighter for custody fights as well as one child torn apart by an abusive mother who won’t be happy if my son has any relationship with me 19 years post divorce. I have learned my lesson.
My ex had post partum depression very severe. She left when my son was 9 months and I raised him alone until age 3 then shared 50/50 with my ex.
It was then that I became an active MRA. As an MRA your directly fighting feminists that are embedded in the government and academia so that fighting feminists starts to define you as only anti-feminist.
But to gain parental rights for men you have to overcome obstacles placed in your way in a fight for dominance over feminists in the eyes of the politicians that make the laws.
Most MRA stuff goes on behind the scenes. There are now lobbyists in most states made up of very knowledgeable and push state legislation to make things like 50/50 physical custody and DNA evidence for determination of parenthood should doubts arise. If you lived with the child you were, and in some states still are, responsible for child support for the entire 18 years. Even though you were lied to. That is changing due to MRA pressure.
When MRA’s began to become organized there was a site called “Mens News Daily” which became the MRA and philosophically anti feminist site.
The first real flexing of the MRA muscle came with the “Boys are Stupid, Throw Rocks at Them controversy in which Glenn Sacks, who I knew personally, created a campaign of MRA’s online to stop the selling of this shirt. Most big retailers stopped selling the shirt and it was outlawed in Canada.
Here is a wiki clearly edited to hell by feminists but it was a major battle for MRA’s and we won easily.
“Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them!” is a slogan on a T-shirt by Florida clothing company David and Goliath which in 2003 became the subject of a campaign by radio-host and fathers’ rights activist Glenn Sacks on the grounds of misandry and the incitement of violence against children. This raised national attention and led to the removal of the shirts from several thousand retail outlets.[1] Sacks’ campaign was criticized as focusing on a trivial issue.
(It wasn’t the particular issue, we we’re say Stop! Hell No Here’s the Line in the Sand!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_are_stupid,_throw_rocks_at_them!_controversyThen MGTOW came out and most MRA found it to be a curiosity and were very interested in what it meant. Most MRA’s supported MGTOW’s and I think they still do. We mainly hear from those who disagree.
My fighting days are over but I’m proud of them.
I see more overlap than differences between MRA’s and MGTOW’s.
Each has it’s place.
From what I know now I wish I had gone my own way since high school but I didn’t listen.
I’m hear and listening now.
I can appreciate your efforts to fight against misandry and feminist hypocrisy. I have no beef with MRAs, because anybody who is anti-gynocentrism is an ally in my book, and I think that in-fighting between men is a feminist’s best friend. I just don’t see MRAs making a big impact in the big picture. It comes across more like they are getting on their knees, pleading “Please change the gynocentric system and make things fair! Pretty please!” All the while, women and the government are laughing in their faces. Seriously, how does anyone think a system that relies on men being treated as disposables in order to benefit women and the government will suddenly decide it needs to stop treating men that way. It’s like thinking that you would have gotten rid of slavery in the southern U.S. by continually, politely begging the plantation owners to let their slaves go. Feminists are NOT rational people, and they have no interest in changing a system that benefits women over men in order make things equal. They want more for themselves at the expense of men, and anyone who believes otherwise is a damn fool. You’d have a better chance of convincing the Rothschilds of giving away their fortune to feed the hungry and poor of the world, than you would of getting feminists to fight against gynocentrism.
I agree with Murph. That’s why I think we’re going to see more violence, more publicity, and more public outrage as more and more people speak out about what they all know to be true. We are attacking the problems from all sides now. Thank God for the internet. Solidarity is our most powerful tool.
"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."
I agree with MRAs in wanting equal rights to our children. At least, I think they are for that.
That’s a battle I’ve had to live and it’s f~~~ing bulls~~~ that I’m treated as the second class citizen father or in some cases I’m looked at as a scoundrel.
Other than that, I know that MRAs end game is to get back onto the plantation… No thank you, I’ll pass.
#MANOUT
I’d like to see plantations disappear altogether. I think marriage will become obsolete and in the new order will emerge a world where everyone has their own place in society. That’s a long way off.
"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."
Anonymous3‘MRA’ is probably a stage that some men will have to go through prior to MGTOW, just like I have gone through certain political ideologies and philosophies before arriving at MGTOW. It’s a process of awareness.
However, I don’t have much sympathy with MRAs. Yes, some of their demands are obviously justified and have their place – I do sympathise with men individually – but even then MRA activities are counter-productive in that they just reinforce a gynocentric perspective.
MRAs can also be just as obnoxious, illogical and stupid as feminists. I find I agree with the comment that I think someone made earlier in this thread: that the male equivalent of feminism is not MGTOW, but the Men’s Rights Movement.
MGTOW in the true sense involves walking away. I am only just starting to appreciate this properly, due to some life experiences I have had recently which I may relate on another thread if I have the time. I thought I knew what MGTOW was about, but I didn’t. I think I am now beginning to understand. The point is, MGTOW isn’t something you can fully learn in a book. It’s not a flat pack belief system or ideology. it’s more something you have to reflect on and grow into.
MRAs are the human equivalent of animal welfare societies, and in their more militant form, MRAs also resemble animal rights activists.
MGTOW, on the other hand, is analogous to animal liberation.
The difference is that the ‘human welfare’ and ‘human rights’ people who exist in this context, i.e. MRAs, want men to be f~~~ed over in a way that doesn’t look so unfair, while MGTOWs, being for ‘human liberation’, refuse to play the game in the first place.
MRAs want ‘rights’, which are legal things that have to be granted to you.
MGTOW want liberties, which are things that cannot be granted to you because they pre-exist. You have them if you want them. In so far as MGTOW favour ‘rights’ at all, it is the simple right to exercise what we have had all along. Human liberation, in the true sense, simply means the restoration of ordinary liberties: i.e. a normal life.
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