Why I/We Are Hurt and Angry

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

Just a few hours I read an exchange between @DoingMyOwnThing40 and @ILearn. Both acknowledged that we have opinions and perspectives rooted in our own experience. So I would share some of my own.

Most of can acknowledge that women are fed a s~~~load of twaddle about what their lives are supposed to be like when they become adults. This sets up a false ideal of what their future will hold and that they will be happy. In the time of their indoctrination to the time they get someone to put a ring on it, there is nobody, and I mean nobody educating about one significant aspect of the future lives and marriage to be. Friendship. The concept that you are to spend the rest of your life with someone isn’t a farfetched ideal. I’m sure that most or all of us have read the article about the married couple that’s in their nineties and have been married over 60 years.

How the f~~~ are you going to spend that much time with someone and not be able to get along?

Men are also indoctrinated from an early age about their expectation and what they have to look forward to in a comitted relationship. The problem today for men and women is that they are being raised in single-parent households. The fallout can be seen with the under eighteen crowd that comes here from time to time.

The real problem is that the fantasy life is still promulgated in the media and amongst the peers of tomorrow’s generation. The media and society keeps shoving blue pills down the throats of both young men and women. The difference is that the female blue pills are ladened with self-entitlement that has been supported by very real dividends supplied by divorced fathers and the government.

Young men are promised a happy ever after just as much as young women are. Women renege on promises that they made at the altar and made by society and the media, and the man is left holding the bag. You know. The one with all of the responsibility and none of the benefits.

If just this isn’t enough to give even the densest feminist pause then nothing will.

We just get angrier. Both in degree and numbers. And after the red pill rage passes and the enlightenment of our real value that we hold comes to the fore, then MGTOW and serenity.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

Very true

[Anonymous 18]

Soldier-Medic,

Reading your post I paused to think of what we as MGTOW stand to gain from our opposition to the biased campaign of lies and bigotry to both sexes.

Having been exposed to articles and op-ed on the net along with some gems from the litter box I realized I had internalized or absorbed some of the rhetoric that mgtows hate women.

Reading what you wrote it hit me that the fairytale sold to us (men and women) is love is bliss and everything in between. No one mentions sacrifice, compromise or work to make it work. Friendship is important because I have never held grudge over issues with my close friends long term.

The anomaly is with women behavior and male expectations. And I would say it’s the narrative told to women that is the root cause of the divergence between the two genders. Whether it’s just a naive notion or willful denial, truth is mgtow is here to stay. It’s a treatment for symptoms stemming from the narrative that pits women against men and the system designed so men lose. The narrative is of course feminism.

Before I had my share of experience about how female thoughts and actions are left unchecked by society, I had presumed feminism to be a positive progressive change.

One can’t criticize how women are without realizing how feminism plays the role of puppetmaster. The fight therefore isn’t with one woman in my life that I feel hurt or betrayed me. The fight of mgtow is against the system. The establishment of feminism.

Feminism invented the boogeyman called patriarchy. It’s existence will never die. It will forever live because it’s a host for the parasite that feminism is. Without patriarchy feminism ceases to exist.

I can say for a certainty that what I call blue pill mentality or mangina syndrome today were the same traits that were the foundation of what I considered my biggest assets and prized possessions that any woman would and should value.

And they were things that came naturally to me and I’d bet to most men here. Few generations ago there was a place for such values.

So did women just change to not be receptive of those values? How could one sex evolve without the other? What is natural about such a drastic change in women’s attitude about what they perceive desirable and valuable?

And that’s where feminism enters. It changed women. It changed how they perceive themselves. And how they will forever perceive themselves. As victims. Strength and independence is an illusion. It gave women nothing. Yet it took away what was natural to them.

A modern feminist has lost her place in natural order of things. Feminism has dictated that because they have been victimized by the boogeyman they must always fight. But fight what? There is no real enemy here. Hence they fight those in their innermost circles. Themselves and men that love them.

The result is confusion. Men and women don’t understand each other.

Quite contrary to the commentary on mainstream articles/blogs, most men who are mgtow are standing up against the system. Because I can’t fight for my own good without fighting for a woman’s cause. I could fight for what’s right for both sexes. Feminism allows only unilateral interests and voice.

So we opt out.

But I have no doubts that with each passing decade the trend of women’s happiness will continue on the decline.

Patriarchy has no vulnerabilities. And it never will. Because it’s an idea. And it has gained a very stronghold in women’s psyche. It has forever victimized women. Such is the extent of this deception that women soil themselves to stand against the enemy. What enemy requires it’s victims to further humiliate themselves? An enemy that knows no limits, has no face.

Feminism has exploited every weakness in a woman. And it has given her every bit of reason to despise the weakness.

I am not religious but it is really Satan’s work.

I don’t hate women. Neither does any man who is here. We all hate what feminism has forced women to be.

And if a woman thinks she is not a victim of this deception, ask yourself this: what has feminism taken away from you?

My opinion is that it’s your ability to ever be happy with who you are, with whom you are and replaced it with how strong you can be because the boogeyman wants to keep you down.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

I agree. I wouldn’t expect today’s generation of young men to sign a contract that forces them to take on more responsibilities than women. The contract also taxes their future earnings if the woman decides to flake out on her wedding vows. I find it interesting that the marriage contract is binding when it comes to men—at least 99% of the time—whereas a lot of women get a pardon if they don’t FEEL like being married anymore. I wonder if women would still get excited about white wedding dresses and diamond rings if they knew there was a 50% chance that they’d pay alimony & child support to their divorced husbands.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

“We all hate what feminism has forced women to be.”

Exactly.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[ScandinavianParticipant 590]

FunInTheSun wrote:

“We all hate what feminism has forced women to be.”
Exactly.

I would turn that the other way; “hate that feminism has allowed women to act in their own nature”
In old days female behaviour was kept in control by stronger societal control mechanisms; church and peer pressure. The church is nowhere near it’s glory days and feminism together with increased individualism in general has if not removed peer pressure so at least weakened it and altered the norms.
The result isn’t brain washed females that without feminism would be little princesses. That reasoning is just pussy worship. What we have is women as they are without shackles, in their true natural form.
The reason to be aware of this difference is that in the first case you will delude yourself into thinking they are salvageble, when they are not.

[Anonymous 18]

Scandinavian wrote:

That reasoning is just pussy worship. What we have is women as they are without shackles, in their true natural form.

I could argue this with a few points:

Using feminism as a progressive movement leaders like Obama can declare at a rally that America doesn’t want stay at home moms raising families. That’s hardly allowing women to be in their own true nature. Most women after having kids don’t feel thrilled to work unless they are with their top tier 10 year academia degree careers.

Also provided most women love sex, it’s under certain conditions. And their is greater weight to having some form of emotional value to the sex. Fact they need to get drunk before they open their legs seems like without alcohol she wouldn’t enjoy it with a stranger as much as a man. There are exceptions to the rule.

If the media depicts certain behavior to be commonplace then people will copy it. Gynocentric media has been working pretty hard to sexualize TV shows for 6 year old girls.

My argument was for feminism to work against what evolution had worked out to be suitable between a man and a woman. Granted such change as we see today is possible over a few centuries but what has happened over mere decades is a manufactured changed. Conflict between men and women is just as profitable as conflict between nations. There are parties that profit.

Do you believe that s~~~ like #freebleeding or #p~~~forequality or women having drunk sex with guys is just removing barriers from their natural inclinations?

The false rape accusations stem from the confusion of what sexual liberation is supposed to be. For women it has not evolutionary advantage to be promiscuous. It’s programming.

As I said feminism exploit women’s weaknesses or character flaws. Online dating is one good example.

I won’t say that if I stood to gain money or resources I would turn it down. Most men won’t either.

The society creates opportunities for women to act selfish. Men don’t have such opportunities. Unless it’s wall Street.

I am not excusing women’s behavior but what we had working for hundreds of thousands of years can be falling apart in few decades should raise questions.

It makes a lot more sense if women were made to see men as their enemies.

I am in no rush to marry a woman. But I would be somewhat disingenuous to blame a woman first without blaming the gynocentric establishment.

[ScandinavianParticipant 590]

As for things such as #p~~~forequality; yes, that is female nature in a nutshell to me. A little like seagulls on a landfill; living on what others bring them, while living their lives doing nothing but screaming, sitting around and taking a s~~~ on the people giving them what they want. That is not bitterness, I am done with that part, it is just the way they are, and I nor anyone else can do anything to change that.
The big question is if you are a seagull kind of person, if you think they are adorable or if what you really want is a dog. A seagull will never be a dog, no matter what you have been told, no matter what government says, no matter if you blame the landfill for putting food right out for them to eat so they will show themselves, it is not govt nor the landfill that created the seagull.

You said it yourself, and I agree; “The society creates opportunities for women (…))”.
Opportunities. Not coercion. Women behave like this because they can, because they want to, because this is who they are. You can supress it, you can put incentives for them to change, you can force them to behave in a manner more suitable to you, but on the inside they will be pretty much what you can see today. What you get will not be genuine in any way, not following natural behaviour but rather a trained program. Might be fine for a slave or a servant, but do you really want that in a partner?

[BigvernParticipant 1983]

Wise words as usual Stealthy – young mgtow’s take heed, before you fall into the trap of ‘marriage’.

"What made you think, there'd be a livin' in sheep?, Eat, Work, Eat Work and Sleep" - Mark Knopfler.

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