Why it is important to keep the definition of MGTOW as broad as possible

[BazarovParticipant 0]

Hi Guys.

Every concept in existence is a meme. Whenever we think of good, evil, left, right, toilets, or bad luck Brian, what we are doing is bringing to our minds a unit of culture which has been shared with us at a previous point of time.

Here is the definition of a Meme from Wikipedia if you are unaware of it.
The meme, analogous to a gene, was conceived as a “unit of culture” (an idea, belief, pattern of behaviour, etc.) which is “hosted” in the minds of one or more individuals, and which can reproduce itself, thereby jumping from mind to mind. Thus what would otherwise be regarded as one individual influencing another to adopt a belief is seen as an idea-replicator reproducing itself in a new host. As with genetics, particularly under a Dawkinsian interpretation, a meme’s success may be due to its contribution to the effectiveness of its host.

(Here is a comedic sketch from the big bang theory exploring the idea of meme’s) = Because lets face it, comedy explains life better than wikipedia.

What is my point?
and how does this link to the importance of keeping the definition of MGTOW as broad as possible when discussing it?

I theorise that memes are most successfully spread when they are similar to other ideas of significance that are held by most people. When one is exposed to a meme, its rate of acceptance or rejection by the new host is directly related to the already pre-conceived and pre-existing ideals held by that individual.
An example;
If someone values statistical information as a necessary pre-requisite to qualify new concepts as ‘truth’ (i.e to permit new meme to be stored and shared by that said person in their minds) it is necessary for new ideas to relate in some way to the ideals of statistics.

So why keep MGTOW broad in its definitions and goals?
Because the more ambiguous it is in its philosophy (As well as the more inclusive its language), the more likely it is to be listened to and absorbed. By making MGTOW broad in its definition (Broad being its focus on ideals such as autonomy, self-determination, liberty, criticality, and freedom as opposed to specific expectations or restrictions of behaviour) more men will be attracted to investigate the multitude variations of ideas shared upon this webpage which seek to reaffirm the previously listed already well established cultural values above.

Flowery language grows plants! The more plants we gain, the bigger the garden of the manosphere grows. The bigger the garden, the more weight behind it. The heavier it is, the more attention and influence it will have over the rest of society. (What is to be done after this point is for later discussion)
What is important is that we let it grow.
We need more perspectives on what it is like to be a man in the 21st century. We need more social support for the idea that it is alright for men to go their own way. Support for the idea that society is merely a spook in the minds of the masses and must be held to critical accountability. Support for the view that all men have the inalienable right to be free in their choices on lifestyle and preferences of action.

Imagine the possibilities!
If we keep the definition of the word MGTOW broad, it is possible that Men going their own way may mean something in the collective consciousness.

Dr Bazarov.

[Anonymous 1]

Bazarov wrote:

(…) as opposed to specific expectations or restrictions of behaviour (…)

I disagree with this part. I think Mgtow shouldn’t accept ALL kind of behaviors, or else we would become some kind of YOLO philosophy and that would not help anybody. Behaviors that are gynocentric in nature, like marriage for example, should be kept out. I do sympathize with people that got the red pill AFTER marriage, but if that Mgtow start promoting the same institution (marriage) as a viable option for men, then he has no place among us. Not your (female) provider, protector or sperm bank, those are the behaviors Mgtows have to avoid.

Everything else is free game.

Besides, although growth is an interesting thing to happen, Mgtow shouldn’t be a popularity contest either. We shouldn’t aim for agreement at the cost of truth. Discussion is not only necessary, but desirable. That’s how REAL growth is achieved. Let women be ones that praise group thinking and hive mind. We should value individual thinking and the truth, in order to preserve ourselves (men). Those that are ok with that are welcome, if that doesn’t suit ALL men, well, that’s too bad, but, like I said before, we shouldn’t focus on “popularity” if that means sacrificing “quality of life”.

Cheers.

[RoyDalParticipant]

The definition on this site’s front page works for me.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

One idea, looking at evolution and meme theory is to let MGTOW express itself in a lot of ways, and have the way that don’t work die off.  I would say organizing the schools of thought would be of value though.  I say, let it me, and let your personal connections determine what it is for you.  The definition on here is solid though.

I did a video on this for my YouTube channel, and I see a number of schools of thought on MGTOW as follows (based on more thought after the video):

* Avoidance of women to some degree, from outright marriage, to not dating, to not having sex.  I believe Terrence Popp would fit into this school of thought.

* War against Feminism and Gynocentrism. A MGTOW with MRA tendencies would fit into this. Sargon of Akkad I see having this here.  Men here also got into Gamergate.

* Restoration of the male identity and brotherhood.  I see the Mayor of MGTOW fitting in this.  I am sure you can name others.

* Non-conformity, as in a man goes his own way, and doesn’t care what the world thinks, and any system. You can think of myself being here.  With this, I will borrow from a range of schools of thought, what I find acceptable.  It is more not fitting into social norms than rejection of things in and of themselves.  I am around the Christian religion and trying to do MGTOW (it is a challenge).

* Escape from the world, because all systems are corrupt, and the rabbit hole goes even deep.  Some of Turd-Flinging Monkey’s stuff makes me think he fits into that camp.

* MGTOW as an ideology, with a guarding of its definition and expressions, with the idea of men going their own way, with all the tenets of avoiding women in tact also.  For men who have this, which I believe includes Sandman (and others), they are likely to work together with other men and push things.  I believe men who have this, are seeing MGTOW as an ideological system that will end up rising above others, and defeat feminism.  Sandman’s revolution fits into this.

 

Anyone else care to make mention of any I missed?

 

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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