Why Feminists Still Talk about the Wage Gap

[MonkeyMindParticipant 5340]

Turd Flinging Monkey put out a good video on Equal Opportunity Vs Equal Outcomes.

We all know that feminists have beeen cooking the books when it comes to stastistics on the wage gap, but what’s more confusing is why they keep talking about it when the wage gap has not only been fixed when you look at the stastiscics properly, women are now out earning men in the lower age brackets.

It’s a play on words and feminists are attempting to change the meaning of a common word that has a lot of public support into something else so they can hoodwink people into jumping into supporting something that they don’t fully understand because they haven’t read the small print.

Equal opportunities as most people understand it is that in a free market, everbody regardless of race or gender should have an equal opportunity to succeed so long as they are the best person for the job and work hard. I support this and i think this is a fair way of allowing people in society to compete in a free market.

However, what feminists aren’t telling the wider public is that they’re not looking for equality, but instead, they want a system of equal outcomes. This means if you put a number of people on a racetrack. The least able will be placed closer to the finish line so that everybody finishes the race at the same time.

So everybody gets the same wage despite the most able workers doing the most of the donkey work. This in itself creates inequality (for mostly men) because now the hardest workers are being penalised for basically being better and more hard working than the other people around them.

I can’t see this working at all, once the hardest working people realise that they’re getting no reward for their labour, they’ll slack off and do f~~~ all. because that’s what everybody else is doing. Eventually the whole system will collapse the same way it did in communist Russia.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22584]

The wage gap is simple, except for the top one percent (and the small percentage of dangerous jobs), most workers in the workforce are women. With most men being shutout of the workforce. Therefore, women are going to average out to have less pay than men because there are way more of women in the workforce than men.

This is simple math based on the law of averages.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Because math is hard.

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[RoyDalParticipant]

I think this wage gap thing is intended to allow corporation to cap all wages. So in this view is right or left wing? neither. It’s fascist. The worst of both worlds.

Yep. It serves the corporations and it serves the politicians as a phony issue to run against at election time.

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[Anonymous 26]

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[bigboy83Participant 11312]

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[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

there’s very few women in engineering degrees………….too much with Bachelor’s of Arts………

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[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

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[FrankOneParticipant 1442]

Faust For Science wrote:

The wage gap is simple, except for the top one percent (and the small percentage of dangerous jobs), most workers in the workforce are women. With most men being shutout of the workforce. Therefore, women are going to average out to have less pay than men because there are way more of women in the workforce than men.

This is simple math based on the law of averages.

I’d disagree on this. Nobody is ‘shutting out’ men from the workforce. Now, I work in manufacturing, and heavy industry (Chemical), a combination that means, virtually NO women except in clerical positions. Not due to discrimination, but due to women NOT WANTING to work for such companies.

Most workers in the workforce, at least in the United States, are definitely NOT women.

Department of Labor statistics: http://www.dol.gov/wb/stats/recentfacts.htm — 57.2% of working age women work, vs 69.7% of working age men — so a significant difference in labor participation rates by gender. Even this statistic, requires further interpretation; the gap in terms of number of HOURS per week spent on market labor, is even greater, because only 74% of the employed women work full time vs 86.9% of men. So 57.2% x 74% = 42% of women working full time vs 69.7 x 0.869 = 60.6% men working full time.

A question arises then, whether we have a ‘work gap’ in America, with Men being overworked. Maybe the government should give out special subsidies for men to stay home with kids and take care of aging parents? You know, equality of outcome. I’m joking, of course.

It is true with women earning more degrees, they are at parity in the professional fields with men (as far as employment participation). They certainly are not at parity in terms of labor participation, because they don’t work as much, despite living longer.

As for the wage gap itself, it’s been debunked repeatedly, just read Forbes or any other mainstream publication.

Why does the Department of Labor even have a ‘Women’s Bureau’? It doesn’t have a ‘Men’s Bureau’!

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

@frank One. I’m in chemical manufacturing too.

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[DethklokParticipant 153]

Today’s students are taught by liberal schools that everyone is a victim, except for successful white men. Regarding the wage gap, never mind that women work less hours, less desirable jobs, and are less likely to pick up and change their life over it. They’d rather work as a receptionist than a construction worker. They demand more money. It’s pretty dangerous when all of these young minds disregard all facts and logic, and just know entitlement.

But then again, it’s some older ones too. Go to Walmart where all of the older women cashiers are complaining that they are not the store manager. They have no customer service skills, no sense of urgency, no skills whatsoever. Remember that big lawsuit against Walmart a few years back? No one could prove systematic discrimination. If only there was a case against lack of skill, the women would have lost.

[DybbukParticipant 182]

It’s a zero sum game now where women seek wealth and power at the expense of men, and this wage gap thing is just one way that women are taking advantage of their cultural hegemony to press that agenda. Most sensible and informed people who have studied the issue understand that there’s not really a wage gap. But feminists can get away with continuing the Big Lie because everyone is too cowed to call B.S. on it. There’s too much to lose and not much to gain from speaking the truth, especially for politicians and mainstream media personalities.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22584]

FrankOne wrote:

Nobody is ‘shutting out’ men from the workforce.

Sure we men are being shutout from the workforce.

Boys are shut out from academic resources while in school and college by anti-male gynocentrism. I could give you my personal horror stories on this. It is one thing to take crap from the student body, but I also had to deal with the faculty intentionally sabotaging my education.

And even if a man can make it through all that, and get a college degree, they are in debt and trying to get a job is very hard, due to women being in the human resources department, the department that hires people. Also, this is the department that sees who get promotions and benefits. And the women in the HR department take bribes, favor, and kickbacks from other women in the company for helping them get ahead of men.

Also, the requirements set to high for white men and slow low for everyone else. Affirmative action requires that some minorities and women are hired. But, a white man cannot even get a job flipping hamburgers without a college degree. That is just plain f~~~ed up.

The deck is stacked to high against us, in the favor of everyone else, that it just isn’t worth playing. I am checking out and not looking back.

[HitmanParticipant]

they talk about the wage gap because ” victimhood ” is a strong tool to manipulate public opinion .any group of “victims ” gets sympathy for their cause . why would they let something that dosen’t exist continue ? it’s one of their nuclear bombs ..even if no longer true ..it SOUNDS really bad , unfair ..and gains them support from those who don’t know the truth .

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Claiming that men are preventing them from earning their own money gives them the moral authority, in their minds, to claim men’s resources as their own through taxation which they pay less of, and social programs which they receive more of.

If the “wage gap” we’re to go away, there would be no excuse for them to not be responsible for paying their own way and this is exactly what they do NOT want. Women do not want equality, they want to be seen as an oppressed class because it gives them the “right” to get something for nothing.

[FrankOneParticipant 1442]

Dybbuk wrote:

It’s a zero sum game now where women seek wealth and power at the expense of men, and this wage gap thing is just one way that women are taking advantage of their cultural hegemony to press that agenda. Most sensible and informed people who have studied the issue understand that there’s not really a wage gap. But feminists can get away with continuing the Big Lie because everyone is too cowed to call B.S. on it. There’s too much to lose and not much to gain from speaking the truth, especially for politicians and mainstream media personalities.

It wouldn’t be a zero sum game if everyone sought pay based upon merit. And of course, zero sum game assumes an economy can’t GROW and create more jobs.

Actually, it’s quite interesting. I work in a male-dominated workplace. The hourly guys (with high school educations; fewer years of exposure to government schools), were discussing the ‘wage gap’ and one of them called BS, noting that he, while well-paid relative to, say, retail workers, had to work outdoors, in all weather, long shifts at night, on weekends, and holidays, in a dirty, noisy environment, with constant overtime every week. I chimed in saying that if the wage gap were true, the company would fire my ass and my male colleagues and replace us with women with the same skills, thereby saving 20%, since the purported wage gap is supposedly for women with identical skills. I then brought up the ‘death gap’ of workplace fatalities, and how nobody in the media had any concerns about it because… male disposability. The other hourly guys laughed their asses off, and agreed but the other college-educated man in the room disagreed, but couldn’t support his case on why the company didn’t want to save money by hiring all women. It was a facsinating point of antecdotal evidence of how the education system brainwashes youth (this man was 15 years my junior).

Faust for Science: I still disagree about the workforce being mostly comprised of women (see my earlier post), which was another point you made in your first post.

I graduated about 15 years ago; since that time, typical tuitions for 4-year institutions have increased at around 250% the overall inflation rate. This ‘education inflation’ is described everywhere http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Articles/Education_Inflation.asp and is, of course, caused by readily available government loans that allowed institutions to raise tuitions without losing students. The answer isn’t to forgive student debt; it’s to end government grants and loans and allow market forces and private lenders to prevail. And innovation. If a student works one year grading papers, acting as a teaching assistant, etc, give them 2 years of free tuition.

The reason fast food chains can demand a college education is because of a poor job market. It has nothing to do with discrimination against white men. I work with almost all men, but we don’t discriminate; we have black men too!

The reality is, there’s a huge gender ‘work gap’ worldwide; in almost all countries, men do significantly more hours of work outside the home than women.

[The Moth Attracted to the FlameParticipant 2982]

Sadly, feminists can’t give a good answer for why all women aren’t holding jobs if this is the case. That’s the thing that blows my mind with these people. If this is the case, companies can save money by hiring only women. But they don’t. Because that’s not what they’re about.

[FrankOneParticipant 1442]

Survivor: I was having trouble finding a statistic comprising percentage of workers that are men vs women. I did find one. http://www.census.gov/newsroom/pdf/women_workforce_slides.pdf — in US, full time workforce is about 56% male. I would argue i t is more than this, on the grounds that many men are self-employed. Figure above is from 2009. If you have 2015 data, please post it.

In reading this report it should also be noted that full time men work more HOURS than full time women on average, which of course, is part of the explanation for the pay gap.

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