Why Do We Let Them Rule us?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I have just seen the MGTOW manifesto of making “men men, women women, and smaller government” rise again.  Unfortunately, tradcons, PUAs and MRAs have tried this stuff and it doesn’t work.  The reality why it doesn’t, as I see it, is found in a principle of MGTOW.  The principle is that you have control over yourself, and just yourself.  You can go your own way and get success with it.  From this, one can then also conclude that one isn’t able to impact the world much.  A reason why MGTOW is MGTOW, and away from MRA (some MGTOW can be MRA) is that attempts to try to change the world will end up being pointless.  You can get enough to agree to do anything, and if you attempt to use force, end result is you will be turned criminal and be shut down.

I see these belling the cat posts sometime, where someone thinks they can band a bunch of MGTOW together to change the world.  The SJWs think like that and waste their time on tumblr thinking they can change the world.  Well, you aren’t going to, nor is too many others.  You can do things on your own, and bargain better.  Maybe you get enough power, you can get hypergamy to work for you and find one woman who is attractive enough, who hasn’t hit the wall yet, who will submit to your rule personally, because you have the power.

As for myself, I have my own things to tend to.  You can go off and do your crusade.  I only want what works for me, and relate only with those who have benefit for me.  I don’t live in a fantasyland presuming some sort of crusade of large numbers will change anything.  I did Occupy, and a Ron Paul campaign, and a number of others, to realize that such were a waste of time.  I am even debating what to do with my YouTube channel now, and how to do videos.

I guess I could go to the real short here: Just because I am a man, it is folly to presume that there are any other men out there that give a flying iota about my interests.  Being part of a collective called “men” and presuming that such means that they will end up collectively doing squat and I will benefit, is a sure way for me to waste a lot of time, money, thoughts, emotional energy and more, that don’t benefit me.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

Dude how about we just get the f~~~ away from them?No need for anyone to serve anyone if you’re single you have more than the capability to look after yourself.You sound like a woman projecting “what we really want” on to MGTOW.

And maybe you are..

[Binary LogicParticipant 2351]

Pretty much brother. Utilize the “Hands-off” approach and watch the house of cards they built come tumbling down on them. In the mean time you could sit back and laugh while you put the final touches on that chimney on your house of bricks and mortar..

Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...

[Anonymous 9]

Governor Megachris% wrote:

gllahone84 wrote:

Dude you’re a racist. That confederate s~~~ is so alienating, and to proudly display that as a profile image speaks volumes.

Actually, when it comes to that, we should take things like this into consideration: It’s not any more racist than we make it out to be. If it has to do with any forms of “slavery,” we should keep in mind not even 2% of people owned slaves. Sorry to go off track here, but had to point that out. I’d not fly this flag myself as I’m not a Democrat (and this was the flag of the Southern Democrats), and I know there ARE obnoxious anti-black folks out there flying this flag as well, but I think he’s likely using the picture to “defend the flag.” Now, is this guy a racist? I wouldn’t know for sure, but the flag image has become a stereotype more than anything. As long as this guy isn’t a…

 

It has more to do with white supremacy and oppression. Funny how you bring up slavery as if that’s the only thing the flag stood for.

What are you proving by showing a few black people holding the flag? Does that make it any less of a symbol of oppression, or are you saying they’re racist too?

You have to excuse their lack of knowledge, or it could be a form of shock value.

But it doesn’t help support your defense at all for why people embrace the flag in 2015, when the modern day flying of such flag is in response to the gains of the Civil Rights movement. For Ludacris, sadly there aren’t many conscious entertainers today, and those who happen to be politically/socially conscious are censored for the most part. Nice try in bringing unaware entertainers into the conversation, when you have hate groups who use the flag as nothing more than the same reason the swastika was used in Germany. If you’re mindful of the message that it sends to people of color then you wouldn’t support it, and the southern heritage excuse is so dated that it’s a matter of ignorance for those who happily put it on display. However, if you are mindful of the message, and continue on as if it’s a matter of Southern Heritage then you’d be mistaken in not being taken for a racist by a person of color.

As far as being a Democrat, that doesn’t absolve anyone from harboring racist ideologies. To be truthful, Democrats prior to the Southern strategy enacted after the Civil Rights movement had more of a racist agenda in their policies than Republicans.

I live in the south, and I know what that flag represents. You’re not going to tell me it’s not a symbol of oppression when it clearly is.

I don’t care about some rapper wearing the flag on their clothing, or a handful of black people holding it up.

Why would someone be defending a flag of traitors to the United States?

What was so good about the southern heritage?

Not to derail either, but let’s be serious here. If you’re wearing a shirt with that symbol, and you’re riding around in your pickup truck with it flying high that let’s me know where you stand.

A longing for an overt system of oppression which continues in more covert means today.

[Anonymous 13]

I’m surprised you didn’t get more thumbs up for this.

I’m with you on this one.

You see, I believe men are attached to their offspring, some evolutionary psychology is wrong – men didn’t share their women – and would not raise another man’s child unless they were a very close friend or brother – and women didn’t prance around in the snow, while pregnant – or raising up a toddler/infant, and hunt big game and build shelters either.

 

I believe there has been A LOT of brainwashing going on, for the ultra elite patriarchs, to make us dependent in a forced matriarchy to destroy any real form of capitalism.

 

You are absolutely right.

 

I don’t know about the rest of the guys on here, but I LOVE my kids, and I WILL help them get off to a good start in life or be damned.  I WILL RAISE MY KIDS.

 

F~~~ all this women s~~~ and relations~~~, it boils down to policy – and social accepted norms by brainwashed single mother raised sheep.  I mean women are a problem, but one that men allowed and ALLOW to happen.  Our children should be our concern, as it was historically.

 

I understand a lot of you don’t have kids on here, but for me A WOMAN DOES RULE ME – BY PROXY through my/our kids.  I made a bad mistake, but I choose to raise my little mini mes.  I’m fighting the courts owned by the elitists – set up by white knights and manginas for women – propagated by the ultra elite to make society more malleable to totalitarianism.  So…yeah, you make sense brother, you make sense.

[13-JzzalParticipant 134]

Anonymous wrote:

This is completely sincere

People usually don’t start by saying “I am honest/sincere”  unless they aren’t actually sincere. Exceptions exist but liars use this more often than others.

First red flag.

Anonymous wrote:

Why don’t we simply physically take control and make them serve us, be our wives again, raise our families and bring our society back to where it should be.

MGTOW was never about violence or dominating women. I abhore violence and have no respect for people who resort to it for any other purpose than self defence (Defending others is fine too under certain circumstances) If women aren’t worthy of raising our children forcing them to behave differently wouldn’t change that. Besides, I have no interest in going back to being a provider/work horse. What you are talking about is not what society should be but what you THINK it should be.

Second red flag.

Anonymous wrote:

White Americans, Europeans, Japanese would all see their birthrates start to climb again and it would foster a much healthier culture.

Wow that sounds a little racist. This… your profile picture…. One could almost think you are assuming we are bunch of right wing extremists. This seems familiar.

Oh right. The BBC hitpiece.

Third red flag.

I am done with this guy. Litter Box worthy imo.

Maybe @keymaster should take a look at this.

[Anonymous 9]

I knew it from the profile image, and then you have him talking about increasing the birthrate of White Americans, Europeans, and Japanese.

MGTOW is not about harboring racist viewpoints; especially when the United States, and Europe are populated by people of all ethnicities.

I’m pretty sure he has the freedom to have a profile picture of his choosing, but MGTOW and racist beliefs are not compatible.

This is about awakening to feminism, and safe-guarding ourselves from the treachery of most women.

 

[Anonymous 11]

The Confederate flag issue is a simply a ruse by the elites to get and keep people fighting. Anything in the controlled media is there for the reason to serve the purpose of the elites.

I remember a time when it was just a plain Confederate flag with no controversy. I’ve seen pickup trucks loaded with blacks and whites together with Confederate flags attached to them. They all seemed like friends to me.

Yes, it’s used as a symbol by hate groups. Yes, it’s also a symbol of Southern heritage to some people. It’s also the perfect device to stir hatred which is why I will not display it.

What better symbol to use to divide and conquer than leveraging a Confederate flag. Rise above it and ignore.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

It’s questionable that you would open by saying “This is completely sincere”.

(It’s like those people who begin a sentence with “I’m not gonna lie……” which is just like saying they are about to lie to you.)

Why don’t we simply physically take control and make them serve us, be our wives again

Why would you want to MAKE anyone be your wife? The only relationship with a woman worth having is the kind where she KNOWS she can LEAVE – any time she wants. By insisting on this, you ensure that every minute she is with you is because she WANTS to be.

A wife is not a BENEFIT to you. It’s a burden. A legal anchor around your neck. Why would you want to MAKE that happen? Why would you want to know every day she is there it’s because you MADE her do it. Even when she cooks and cleans and sucks your c~~~ to completion , and empties your b~~~~ before you leave the house…. where’s the BENEFIT???? It’s not even commensurate exchange! For your 60 hours a week in labour??!

Marriage benefits WOMEN. It always has.
It benefits her CHILDREN too. HER children.

They aren’t even “yours” by law since they can be taken away on a whim. And even if you could “make” it so that they can’t be taken away on whim, they are not a benefit to you. You benefit THEM. Understand? You propose making something happen that’s not even a benefit to you.

You’re going to imply MAKING her be your burden and responsibility in every goddam way… and even when she’s not, she’s STILL your responsibility to support?

It’s understandable that you would want someone to love and someone to give to (because that’s what love is) but not having it there is not exactly a “loss”. It’s a loss for THEM. They lose out in not having a father.

“IM GOING TO FORCE YOU TO BE MY BENEFICIARY NOW!!!!!!!”

Stupid!

This is completely sincere

No. It’s a complete JOKE.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

Im very close to pressing the “T~~~” button for keymaster to come and verify this source. Gentlemen once again try to read over post and not be so quick to reply because the fem-bots are on to MGTOW. My brain cant register this post for some reason. Fuq it im hitting the T~~~ button!!!!

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I would like a response first. I would the OP to answer my questions. They never can, these control freak people. They come in and say s~~~ like “LETS CHAIN WOMEN TO THE KITCHEN SINK!!!!!” and when you ask “why?”, the sound of crickets chirping usually follows.

There isn’t a single f~~~ing reason why any thinking man would want to *MAKE* a woman his wife against her own will. Not one.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

Keymaster wrote:

I would like a response first. I would the OP to answer my questions. They never can, these control freak people. They come in and say s~~~ like “LETS CHAIN WOMEN TO THE KITCHEN SINK!!!!!” and when you ask “why?”, the sound of crickets chirping usually follows. There isn’t a single f~~~ing reason why any man would want to *MAKE* a woman his wife against her own will. Not one.

Theories:

1. Sharia Law supporter (male).

2. Easily exposed covert 3rd wave Feminist (an idiot).

3. Male idiot.

[RobinParticipant 17]

People only rule you if you let them.

The whole point of MGTOW is that you are turning your back on any kind of domination or manipulation by women and, instead, forging relationships on your terms.

[Anonymous 3]

I am with KM. The very last thing I want to do is live with a contentious woman that hates me. You can never force a woman to do anything she doesn’t want to do.

Now there are times when you have to physically control women. They are children and sometimes they want to do stupid things that will harm themselves. You have to stop that, being that as a man you are to protect them, that includes from themselves. This is where I have the biggest issue with modern society and the state, which has zero business legislating children above or “equal” to men. It is a joke. Anybody that knows women and is being objective can easily tell you they never mature beyond a child state.

This is the reason why women are so unhappy and have created so many issues in the West. They simply can not take care of themselves. They make horrible decisions and have zero idea what they’re doing. The government, which is run mostly by women, of course can not help.

First the father, then the husband. This is the natural order. A woman must be subject to a man’s order in life. They absolutely can not handle any other situation.

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

I’m sorry I just can’t…

Anonymous wrote:

Nice try in bringing unaware entertainers into the conversation, when you have hate groups who use the flag as nothing more than the same reason the swastika was used in Germany.

“Unaware” entertainers, so you know their mindset when they decide to use the flag?

Your argument fails horribly.

Anonymous wrote:

If you’re mindful of the message that it sends to people of color then you wouldn’t support it, and the southern heritage excuse is so dated that it’s a matter of ignorance for those who happily put it on display.

Wrong. You’re again assuming the level of intelligence of people who decided to fight for the South. Robert E. Lee lived in that huge ass house directly across from the White House(?) or U.S Capitol Building(?)  and Abraham Lincoln desperately wanted him to general for the North, Abraham Lincoln must have been stupid for asking an idiot to general for him.

Anonymous wrote:

However, if you are mindful of the message, and continue on as if it’s a matter of Southern Heritage then you’d be mistaken in not being taken for a racist by a person of color.

You can be called a racist for just disagreeing with any of Obama’s policies. Honestly, the race card can be played and has been played concerning everything. No one cares about the race card anymore. So the people that have respect for ancestors that died in the Civil War and fly the flag shouldn’t because someone might “judge” them? What a pitiful mindset and way to live. Any MGTOWer isn’t going to avoid wearing a MGTOW shirt because some feminist might label him a sexist, misogynist pig.

Anonymous wrote:

I live in the south, and I know what that flag represents. You’re not going to tell me it’s not a symbol of oppression when it clearly is.

I live in the South too, there are many reasons why people fly this flag. While I personally do not, because I’m not a flag guy, I did have relatives that died on both sides.

• Had ancestors that died in the Civil War.
• People fly this on their river homes so they won’t get robbed by idiots (blacks or whites) because it shows you’re packing heat.
• People also fly this to fit in, even if they don’t believe in it. Especially in various areas along rivers.
• A flag doesn’t oppress people, that’s absolutely f~~~ing retarded. That’s like saying if I look at a candy bar, I’ll feel fat.

Just because YOU can’t imagine a different use for the flag beyond racism doesn’t mean there isn’t one. That’s the kind of close-minded behavior that resembles racists, you’re just putting yourself on the opposite side of the coin. Well done.

 

[Anonymous 12]

Anonymous wrote:

Dude you’re a racist. That confederate s~~~ is so alienating, and to proudly display that as a profile image speaks volumes.

I’m not even American and I know that the American Civil War wasn’t fought over slavery. I mean the very idea that men would kill each other for the right to own slaves is pretty stupid.

I love that flag as well and sick to death of Politically Correct bulls~~~ that tells me I am racist just because I am a proud white man.

By the way the first slave owner in America was a black man and when Lincoln freed the slaves he only freed the ones in the South.

 

 

[Anonymous 11]

MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To Give wrote:

Im very close to pressing the “T~~~” button for keymaster to come and verify this source. Gentlemen once again try to read over post and not be so quick to reply because the fem-bots are on to MGTOW.

Do it MM. Even if it’s a he, he’s still a T~~~. Men and women working in better balance than what we have today created this society. Note it has not come back to retort to anything. It could very well be Tuna or a Mangina. Maybe even David Futrelle himself.
Throw out a Confederate flag avatar that disgraces the Gadsen Flag too and preach about crap. Very classy.

Come on dumbass. We’re on pins and needles here waiting for more of your stupidity.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

The very last thing I want to do is live with a contentious woman that hates me.

Well put.

She would HAVE to hate you, because knowing what’s in it for you …. a woman would have to hate you to allow you to go through with a wedding. No man should ever marry a woman who HATES him enough to actually let him o through with it.

She knows it’s not in your best interest. It’s only in HERS.

“MAKE a woman be your wife?” that’s not a challenge at all! I could have been married 6 times already. Easily more if I wanted to. Making a woman go through with a wedding is easy. Now try and keep her off another c~~~. Why even bother? The best way to handle that is to let the other keep her.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 13]

Someone must not understand violence is a part of life.  Ass whoopings are a necessity for children these days – unfortunatley…

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

Ass whoopings are a necessity for children these days

There’s a fine line between discipline and “abuse”. Have you read one of those police reports that women fill out when they claim “abuse”? Some of the items on there:

• “Has he ever raised his voice at you?”
• “Has he ever called you something other than your name”

…. and wait for it….

• “Has he ever withheld money or credit cards from you?”.

Yes really. Don’t give a t~~~ your money and credit cards, and that’s “domestic abuse” now. The people who need ass whoopings as a form of *discipline* are not children. It’s the f~~~ing childish morons who thought that s~~~ up. They are more out of control and infantile than any 6 year old I ever met. And I actually TAUGHT / coached 6 year olds (part time). They were EASY to discipline. Never needed to raise my voice or lift a finger to them in 5 years.

Can’t say the same about an adult woman.
Women have made me raise my voice and say “GET THE F~~~ OUT” more times than I care to remember.

No child ever did that.

So “Make her stay”??? The OP must be f~~~ing joking. A woman would click a “report abuse” button on a website simply because she read something someone else in another city typed on a webpage that she didn’t agree with. You can’t GET any more childish than that.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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