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I suppose I’m asking this more to further my understanding of MGTOW (and by extension, myself) since I’m relatively new.
In spite of how welcoming I’ve found other MGTOW to be, I still see a lot of guys who more or less preserve MGTOW in a certain type of confined space. There are unwritten rules on the wall. We have people discussing how the MGTOW collective should operate, or what direction it should take (hell, maybe I’m doing that right now). More recently, I keep coming across these little issues some MGTOW YouTubers have with each other, and it seems as if people are taking sides. X person isn’t “talking about the right things” or Y person is trying to “monetize MGTOW”. It seems like multiple people are scrambling to steer the proverbial ship.
Well, my question is … why? What’s the point exactly? Why even have a ship? Does that not, essentially, go against the very idea of MGTOW at its core? Clearly, we’re here because we feel frustrated, angry, betrayed, bored, or manipulated, or a host of other things. We’re sick of paths being drawn for us and we want to pave our own. Or f~~~ the path, we’ll go off-road; it’s more fun that way. Perhaps I’m just wrong and I have yet to really delve into MGTOW properly, but I get the impression that the concept of being collective could essentially be the downfall of MGTOW itself. <span style=”line-height: 1.5;”>Based solely on how I see MGTOW talk about </span><em style=”line-height: 1.5;”>other<span style=”line-height: 1.5;”> MGTOW, it seems as if we’re dangerously edging closer and closer to being back to where a lot of us started; following a predetermined path, or being reluctant supporters of some bigger cause. </span><span style=”line-height: 1.5;”>Or perhaps it’s just a YouTube thing.</span>
I don’t know, maybe I’m just being too “meta”. It’s something that’s been on my mind as I scour the net for MGTOW material.
Look man. Whenever there is a place for people to go in which people can express themselves about an aspect of their lives, or a topic that is socially relevant, there is always going to be those that want to say something like “look, this is the way it’s supposed to be”.
The Chinese, after their revolution, would argue about, or demonstrate who is more “Red”.
Same thing here. MGTOW, Men Going Their Own Way. Their own way in the absence of women. Not collectively, or in an organized fashion. There is no General screaming “Onward you pack or screaming turtles, onward!” But, within any social trend, someone wants to be a General. You know the guy. He has a long row of stars and the ridiculous rows of medals on his chest.
I come here to learn, and perhaps, impart some of my own wisdom that has been hard-won through experience.
Best advice is to ignore the generals. They want to you go their way, and not your own.
"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.
Anonymous1I think these “gatherings” of Mgtows philoshphys, or taking sides as you put it, reflects the need of men to find some type of bond with other people. Humans are social creatures, we need some sort of external feedback one way or another. The thing is, man is used to get this feedback from females, and they are used to take advantage of that for their own purposes, without any consideration for the cost for the male. These “picking sides” are just like minded people gathering together for the moment. Although I really don’t think on biological determinism terms, in which dictates human are bond to do the same pattern of behaviours no matter what because “biology”, I am not going so far as to say that biology has no influence on our behaviour whatsoever, and like it or not, I think humans are “programmed” to seek some sort of social interaction. It is just that nowadays females are so toxic that bonding with them in a deeper level is not worth it, and some of us realized that bonding with them, the way we did in the past anyways, were NEVER worth it (for the individual). But knowing that don’t eliminates our need for some sort of social interaction, and since we tend to assossiate better with people of same opinions, voila, we have “taking sides” happening on Mgtow.
That is my take anyway on what it is happening on youtube, at least partially. Don’t take me too seriously though, I am not a scientist, just a man stating his opinion.
Cheers.
It is just that nowadays females are so toxic that bonding with them in a deeper level is not worth it, and some of us realized that bonding with them, the way we did in the past anyways, were NEVER worth it (for the individual). But knowing that don’t eliminates our need for some sort of social interaction, and since we tend to assossiate better with people of same opinions, voila, we have “taking sides” happening on Mgtow.
I agree on a certain level with you. In some way I really want to say “Yeah! What he said”.
But I tend to think that men are competitive creatures. I know that I can be. The anonymity of the internet allows us to say what we want to say.
Men are men. We will post a guidon in the hopes that we can rally others, and sally forth.
“C’mon. This is bulls~~~. Let’s give them what for!”
“No! You’re not doing it right. This is what we need to do!”
Not to detract from your point, but I believe that this to be true also.
"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.
Hey man, most excellent post, and welcome! I am also new here. (Just over a week or so)
I have started looking at videos, (Messenger Rising, I enjoy alot) as well as other men’s posts.‘The journey of a thousand miles’ begins with one step…
What that first step for each and every man varies like the sands on the beach.However, many of us seem to have one thing in common…the modern woman that is toxic.
For those that are, is why many of us found that first step.Whether by choice or forced to.
So, the rest of the journey, for each man, is like a road map.There are tons of streets, roads, hwys, and so on…which route we choose is based upon what “our own way” means to each man.
At least, that’s what it means to me.Many of us have come from the same first step, or close…meaning, we were in a raw deal, to put it mildly.
Seeing that I can only speak for myself, on why I am, I will attempt to respond on a personal level to your post.Why do we have a “community”? To me, it is to raise awareness, on how precarious and volatile, to say the absolute least, the position us men are in on every level.
Of course, this is a long list here…some have been spared some of the pain, by not marrying, others have had their live’s spared & not ending it in suicide, and so on.
Well, my question is … why? What’s the point exactly? Why even have a ship?
For myself, I was so isolated and emotionally rekt, I barely survived my 2 divorces, and the contemplation of suicide was on my mind more than I care to admit.
Suffice to say, being a stay at home dad for my daughter (who is now 17) made this an extremely difficult “hat” to wear.Trying to raise her, comfort, support, nurture and teach her values & responsibility, etc. while being broken, shamed, degraded, and so on…was a nightmare for me to endure. Isolation, and thinking nobody else was living this hell, could not have been any further from the truth, but I only recently, realized the magnitude of that.
I spent many nights, for many years, being alone. Not having anyone to talk to, about such things. All those things we read here. Divorces, abusive & entitled spoiled wives, and so forth.
I am 46 now. Many years, of not having a voice. Not knowing how many other men were on the same sinking ship.
Being here, ended that misery, of no longer feeling alone and isolated.Even if nobody here agrees with any of my personal opinions, or what MGTOW even means to me, I am more than fine with that.
Why? Because for me, that’s what it is all about. What it means to me, personally. That is key.If only one post I have made, or will make, helps a man, and saves his life, on any level…then my reasons for being here are complete.
What are my reasons? The two main ones are, the one I just mentioned, and the flip side of that coin…to get any help offered by others here.Me going my own way is to opt out of the game, so to speak. We all wear different hats. Some more than others. If my “books” that I so often post, bring nothing to the table for everyone here, except 1 person, then so be it.
Of course, I am not thrilled with that, (if it were to be the case, or is) but that one man is worth it to me. Obviously, my goal is the exact opposite, to help as many of my brothers as much as I possibly can.
Perhaps I’m just wrong and I have yet to really delve into MGTOW properly, but I get the impression that the concept of being collective could essentially be the downfall of MGTOW itself.
To me, us being a “collective” is the uprising of MGTOW, but I respect your view, but disagree.
Us men have been divided & conquered for far too long.It is the only haven of sorts that I know of, that we have. I can no more accept not being involved here, than I can accept being a 2nd class citizen in my own country. A slave, indentured servant, a sperm donor, and walking atm is just not my cup of tea. Just hell NO!
MGTOW, it seems as if we’re dangerously edging closer and closer to being back to where a lot of us started; following a predetermined path, or being reluctant supporters of some bigger cause.
Perhaps we are coming from opposite ends of the spectrum here, regarding our points of view.
If you stand firm on this, then lets agree to disagree here.The only way I can subscribe to that point of view, would be, if many men here were saying,
“Oh, screw this s~~~! It’s not really all that bad, I am gonna go get married and show them they are wrong.”
NOPE! Even if every man here, declared that, I would still be here on this site…awaiting their return.I don’t need to go around that block again, to learn that which I already have paid dearly to know.
Me being MGTOW, simply means, I have opted for doing my own thing, my own way, and not being a woman’s slave….
In a nutshell.
The day MGTOW has a “leader” or Board of whatever it will cease to be MGTOW.
Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!WHY DO WE HAVE A “COMMUNITY”?
The very first email that ever came in to our site was from a guy who asked “If MGTOW is about “going your own way”…. why should I join a GROUP?”
We explained it’s not a “group” or anything like a school of fish, and we would never presume (or tell you) you should do anything – including “joining”. Joining just permits you to connect with other individuals on our website. It’s a technicality and has no other meaning or agenda behind it. The strength and power of you saying “no” and going YOUR way…. and me saying “no” and going MY way…. is what makes it effective.
Whos gonna take care of that s~~~ that needs to be done if neither of us do it?
There is nothing for us to agree on – except that: Not doing it.It doesn’t need a “group” to survive, thrive, function or be successful. It doesn’t even need active (key word) organization, consolidation, agreement, meetings, conferences, organized events or any of that.
If we were a community, the success would depend on all of our willingness to participate together.
But the non-participation is what it’s all about.“15 reasons to date a single mother!!”
“Im not dating a single mother.”
“No captain save-a-ho here.”
“Not my sperm. Not my concern.”
“LOL f~~~ you.”
“NO.”Thats’ why it works. There is nothing else to agree upon or actively organize or DO.
We are only unified in ONE principal. The Manifestation of one word: “NO”.The day MGTOW has a “leader” or Board of whatever it will cease to be MGTOW.
No you won’t. You will still be MGTOW. They won’t be. They would eliminate themselves just by virtue of taking that kind of action.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.If we were a community, the success would depend on all of our willingness to participate together.
But the non-participation is what it’s all about.My bad,
Why do we have a “community”? To me, it is to raise awareness, on how precarious and volatile, to say the absolute least, the position us men are in on every level.
Did not mean to misrepresent.
I’m on this site BECAUSE it’s not a “community”.
Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!
Anonymous11Aww…Come on please install me as Supreme Most Exalted Commander of MGTOW. I like impossible tasks like herding cats.
We really are and always will be in the minority. Just knowing I’m not alone really helps. I only have one MGHOW friend in my personal life. The rest of my friends are pussy addict cheating whore chasers, ruined by divorce, pussy beggars or else hen pecked. My seven months of spreading mayhem here have turbo charged my ever growing red pill powers. I am most thankful for that.
The only woman I can accept as my partner is a unicorn. I’m thinking she was taken from me via feticide somewhere between 1973 and 1980.
The only woman I can accept as my partner is a unicorn.
I just listened to this MIND BLOWING analysis of the NAWALT argument totally deconstructed to a level no one has ever gone before.
/channel/groundwork-for-the-metaphysics-of-mgtow/?v=4bSMaTFbIXs
And speaking of your “NAWALT unicorn” let me get back to you in a week or so….
We may be able to help you find one. I’ll say no more.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous11Thanks Key, great share.
NAWALT utterly destroyed burnt to the ground and salted over.
Women are truly a spectrum disorder. I’ll define a unicorn as a 24 sigma occurrence on the Bell Curve Distribution so maybe a couple hundred in all of North America and Europe combined max. The c~~~ to unicorn ratio is not in our favor.
So good luck with your project 😉
Interesting perspectives here.
I guess it works most efficiently as a launchpad rather than a club or a gathering.
I cosign with Key on many of his points.
The only woman I can accept as my partner is a unicorn.
I just listened to this MIND BLOWING analysis of the NAWALT argument totally deconstructed to a level no one has ever gone before.
/channel/groundwork-for-the-metaphysics-of-mgtow/?v=4bSMaTFbIXs
And speaking of your “NAWALT unicorn” let me get back to you in a week or so….
We may be able to help you find one. I’ll say no more.Thanks for clip, KM. Very informative.
Notice how if you talk to weemin about some other guy’s misery, she’ll say “Hell hath no fury like the scorn of a woman” but when you tell her what your ex did, she’ll go “NAWALT” and I’ll go “bulls~~~.”
Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!There was a man who was stranded on a desert island for many, many years. One day, while strolling along the beach, he spotted a ship in the distance. This had never happened in all the time he was on the island, so he was very excited about the chance of being rescued.
Immediately, he built a fire on the beach and generated as much smoke as possible. It worked! Soon, the ship was heading his way. When the ship was close enough to the island, a dinghy was dispatched to investigate the situation. The man on the island was overjoyed with the chance to be rescued and met his saviors as they landed.
After some preliminary conversation the man in charge asked the man on the island how he had survived for so many years.
The man replied by telling of his exploits for food and how he was able to make a fine house to live in. In fact, the man said, “You can see my home from here. It’s up there on the ridge.”
He pointed the men in the direction of his home. They looked up and saw three buildings. They inquired about the building next to the man’s house and he replied, “That’s my
churchversion of MGTOW – I go there toworship on Sundaysexpress my opinions.”When asked about the third building, the man replied, “That’s where I used to MGTOW
go to church.”The only woman I can accept as my partner is a unicorn.
I just listened to this MIND BLOWING analysis of the NAWALT argument totally deconstructed to a level no one has ever gone before.
/channel/groundwork-for-the-metaphysics-of-mgtow/?v=4bSMaTFbIXs
And speaking of your “NAWALT unicorn” let me get back to you in a week or so….
We may be able to help you find one. I’ll say no more.That just blew my mind.
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