Why Do Some People Choose To Have a Baby…

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

…under the WORST POSSIBLE CIRCUMSTANCES?! I have been asking this question my entire adult life, and I can’t come up with a reasonable answer. Although I understand that all human beings have the right to have a baby, I just don’t understand why they would want to get married and start a family during periods of extreme poverty, unemployment, a war, a drought/famine, while living under a brutal dictatorship, while living in a refugee camp, etc.

I find it interesting that there are some places in the world where a man’s only possessions are his clothes, a small wood shack, or a tent, and yet he’s an eligible bachelor whereas, here, in the USA, if you make less than $30,000 a year, many women will not consider marrying you. And for some women, you either have to be an arrogant millionaire, or a thug who’s never held a job or made any positive contribution to society in order for them to enthusiastically commit to a long term relationship. I can’t win in either case.

If the reason for getting/getting someone pregnant is loneliness: my advice would be to get a pet until you’re financially stable. If the reason is family tradition, rebel against it if there’s a chance for you to live independently. To me, the daily drama of a bad relationship isn’t worth it to please my parents. If you love babies, get paid to babysit other people’s kids. But please don’t just have a baby and then complain to the world about your dire circumstances or demand that people who’ve made personal sacrifices to obtain their wealth get taxed more for your sake.

Since we live in a world of limited resources, it would behoove people to create some sort of a stable life BEFORE considering marriage and starting a family. I don’t mind giving government subsidies and grants to people living in poverty as long as they have some sort of plan to UPGRADE THEIR LIVES (instead of living based on whatever free stuff they can get) by getting a job or doing some occupational training. I don’t want to get taxed so some able-bodied person can sit on a couch and watch TV all day because of an unplanned pregnancy.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[Enjoy The DeclineParticipant 1719]

That’s the thing. I have been reading up that in the United States at least, a lot of guys have to be in their 30’s to finally get their sh*t together and then settle down. It could be that they have to pay their debts before they can get married and have even more debt with having a family. I guess people want to have children because biologically, it is the thing to do and it is also their personal meaning in life to procreate. Where I live at least though, the government actually pays you a lot of money to pop out a lot of children alone which means that it can actually be possible to earn a living as a single mother through just governmental aide and maybe even a small part time job alone. Heck, if you are a single mother having 4 children, you can make up to 28000 dollars canadian with just governmental assistance alone. I guess they are doing this though to get the people where I live to encourage them to procreate since without this assistance, the population would decrease gradually in the next few years.

"Question everything" - Albert Einstein

[Anonymous 6]

Dude you just summed up the black community. These women would be living in the worst conditions possible, worst crime infested areas, living in government subsidized housing and still having kids. Multiple generations of the same family will be living all under one roof and in one neighborhood. They know that the more kids they have the more money the government will give them. So they will get child support from each child’s father, welfare, housing, free cell phones, and maybe alimony IF they got married. If your only worth is in your sexuality, then your really not worth s~~~. They get baby envy when they see one of their friends having a kid, nevermind how bad of a situation the chick is in. Nevermind the thug who is the father that has nothing going for him. Her friends are only concerned with the baby, and maternity photos for Facebook.

The s~~~ is sick man. I would say that women need to make a certain amount of money per year before they can have a kid. But you shouldn’t have to tell people that. You shouldn’t have to tell people that they need to be financially stable before making a decision such as a kid. But they don’t wanna hear that. So they will continue to have kids in the worst conditions and complain when they get killed in these crime ridden neighborhoods.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

Anonymous wrote:

They get baby envy when they see one of their friends having a kid, nevermind how bad of a situation the chick is in. Nevermind the thug who is the father that has nothing going for him.

What’s happening in the black American community could spread across the USA. You’ll see the same scenario with whites and Latinos living in poverty, having babies, and using welfare or some kind of government subsidy in addition to a minimum wage salary. Impoverished black neighborhoods are horrible places to raise a child, but then again, it’s hard to guarantee safety these days. People are getting shot at school—in wealthy neighborhoods! When I was a child, NOBODY ever got shot at school. It didn’t matter what your socioeconomic background was—schools were safety zones. It’s true that if you live in an upper middle class community, you’re less likely to be a victim of violence, but s~~~ still happens everywhere.

Jobs are hard to find for many people these days and I have a feeling that more women are just going to give up on life, get pregnant, and collect a government check instead of continuing to look for work. Asian Americans seem to have their act together. It’s rare to see any of them on a welfare program—although it does happen with new immigrants. As soon as they arrive here, they go hardcore: they find a job, save money, start a business, and send their kids to college. Their minds are locked into that program! And teenage pregnancy is almost non-existent. Imagine how different our society would be if we all stopped fooling around and got serious about our future well-being. The next generation would live in a safer, more prosperous nation!

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

FunInTheSun wrote:

many women will not consider marrying you

FunInTheSun wrote:

in order for them to enthusiastically commit to a long term relationship. I can’t win in either case.

Actually – by not getting married you’re financially ahead of >50% of guys that *do* get married. Because that 50% will divorce & get bank-raped. So maybe you earn $30k, but it’s all yours. Good luck earning $100k as a married guy & keeping that cash. I can speak from that level of experience, having visited both sides of that spectrum (30k/yr single vs. 100k/yr married).

TFM has a great video on exactly this topic:

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9550]

Why do you some people choose to have a baby? Because they don’t know what they’re getting themselves into. If kids weren’t so loud, yelling, screaming poop factories that want everything they want at my expense, I wouldn’t have such intolerance for them.

https://themanszone.webs.com/

[DarkRyuParticipant 2354]

ResidentEvil7 wrote:

Why do you some people choose to have a baby? Because they don’t know what they’re getting themselves into. If kids weren’t so loud, yelling, screaming poop factories that want everything they want at my expense, I wouldn’t have such intolerance for them.

THIS. I f~~~ing HATE kids! If I had to take care of a kid, I’d probably just check out of life. Being $250,000 behind every other smart dude that kept his dick out of crazy would suck ASS! Add to that the fact that you probably married a bitch before knocking her up in order to get that kid, and you’re more like $1,000,000 behind ever other smart dude.

[SolidusXParticipant 854]

I quite enjoy free time, money, freedom, sleeping in, no one annoying me, being able to pick up and go wherever I want, and a stress free life…. then have a kid. I see a lot of t~~~s where I live and on POF all want kids, I feel bad for dudes. Most dudes would never admit to their girlfriend or wife they really do not want a kid if there is a choice. I say though guys do have a choice and it’s simple… get fixed!

Knowledge is power..... Don't waste your brain on bullshit

[RennieParticipant]

I saw how much of a PITA they can be lately. Always getting into stuff and breaking things. They have to be watched constantly. Complete nuisances. No thanks!

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

FunInTheSun wrote:

Although I understand that all human beings have the right to have a baby

Procreation is not a human “right” but more a human “choice”. Those idiot single mum’s chose to get knocked up with over 15 forms of birth control the “Ooops” baby is bulls~~~! Yes men love their kids when they’re here,but if you were to get them alone far far far away from the mother and ask them do they regret this choice, I believe most would say yes. Women want kids….Men want to f~~~!

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9550]

Like I said I can’t stand kids. They’re a real pain in the ass by all means! I can’t even stand it when I’m at a store or restaurant, and I have to hear one screaming and crying like they just had their lollipops taken away. Screaming and crying in public; experience ruined. And yes, they’re always breaking things, blaming, saying unintelligent bulls~~~, getting bad grades in school, some are bullies, you need to be constantly watched over (right Cincinnati Zoo parents?!!), they’re too expensive and what do you get for it? Some are mouthy, rowdy, bitchy, special needs. Not like I was anything to brag about when I was an autistic kid, but when you deal with someone else’s kid in public, I just questions if that’s the kid of life you want for yourself.

I f~~~ing HATE kids as much as bugs in the summer time buzzing around me!

https://themanszone.webs.com/

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

DarkRyu wrote:

I f~~~ing HATE kids! I

Do you ever find yourself standing in line at the supermarket, department store, post office, etc., and listening to some unruly child crying loudly and having a temper tantrum? And the parents are either trying to ignore the kid or they’re yelling at the kid. I often say to myself, “At least I don’t have to go home with them and listen to that drama all day. Man, I wish this line would move faster!”

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9550]

FunInTheSun wrote:

DarkRyu wrote:

I f~~~ing HATE kids! I

Do you ever find yourself standing in line at the supermarket, department store, post office, etc., and listening to some unruly child crying loudly and having a temper tantrum? And the parents are either trying to ignore the kid or they’re yelling at the kid. I often say to myself, “At least I don’t have to go home with them and listen to that drama all day. Man, I wish this line would move faster!”

Too many times. At restaurants a kid is throwing a tantrum and the parents ignore it, hoping the kid will shut himself up, but all it does is agitate the people all around. I have no tolerance for kids who throw tantrums at public places. That’s why I always bring my headphones, because I rather hear KMFDM scream in my ear and not some screaming BRAT!

https://themanszone.webs.com/

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