Why are women very indirect a lot of the time?

[CasualGuy227Participant 170]

I was wondering if any one knew the answer to this its been going through my head quite a lot.

 

But wen women want something for some god only know reason the cannot be simple and direct about what they want and simply ask for it ?

I mean I was out doing a little shopping with some friends of mine and and I noticed one of my male friends girlfriend who was with us was hitting about some furniture that she wanted her boyfriend and started to hint at how lovely some things are or how nice they would be in the house.

 

Any one got any ideas on this ?

 

– Casual Guy

[iamblichusParticipant 34]

S~~~-testing a man to see if he cares.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Go to your nearest lunatic asylum and ask one of the patients what they want.

You will find the same result.

I spent many years trying to understand this thought pattern they have.

All answers led to insanity ☺

[CasualGuy227Participant 170]

ILiveAgain wrote:

All answers led to insanity

 

Hhaha those seem like very wise words 🙂

[cicer0Participant 46]

It’s straight out manipulation.

Vagina: “Oh this would look lovely at your place”

Mangina: “really? do you think so?”

Vagina: “Oh yes. That horrible chair would look much better out in the garage. If you had a lounge like this I would stay over at your place a lot more often”

Mangina: “I wonder if they’ll deliver it today?”

6 months later

Vagina: “What are you doing sitting on my lounge? Your s~~~ is in the garage! Get out of my space!”

If a woman said up fron that she wanted to take over your life and bend it to her will then there would be a severe shortage of mangina’s. Hence the indirect route.

 

[Anonymous 12]

I believe it is because they honestly just don’t know. They actually enjoy talking in circles. Here is a classic example from a previous girlfriend.

Her: “I’m Hungry, I want something to eat”

Me: “Ok what do you feel like”

Her:”I don’t know”

Me: “I’m going to make a sandwich”

Her: “No, I don’t that”

Me: Makes sandwich comes back.

Her: “Oh that looks good, I didn’t know you were going to put those things in it”.

Case closed, no logic will solve this problem.

 

 

[MOWsince95Participant 1446]

Anonymous wrote:

Case closed, no logic will solve this problem.

I have logic that solves it:

.          Her: “I’m Hungry, I want something to eat”

.          Me: “So be an adult, figure out what you want and go get it or make it yourself.”

Problem solved.  And no I am not kidding.

If you are MGTOW when you are young you have no heart.
If you're not MGTOW when you are 20 you have no brain.

[treelville..miamiParticipant 893]

Because women are deceptive, they lie about anything and everything down to her appearances and personality traits.
Women push the boundaries to see just how much you are willing to spend for her pussy, this behavior essentially makes her a prostitue, therefore, she tries to be indirect about it.

"The wounds of honor are self inflicted"

[GrumpyParticipant]

Being direct,  means taking personal responsibility for your thoughts, actions, and words.  Accountability is a huge part of responsibility, (at least is used to be). Being indirect allows a person to transfer responsibility to another, while maintaining a power position in the decision making process. Allowing the indirect person the ability to claim “rewards” for a satisfactory outcome, and lay “fault” (or punishment) for an unsatisfactory outcome.

example:

Her: “Do you want to have some fun”

Me: “Sure, what did you have in mind?”

Her: “Oh… I don’t know, you think of something”

Me: “OK, I have an idea…..”

I knew full well she wanted to have sex, then go spend money on more useless s~~~. She just wouldn’t come out and say it, nor initiate it. I went for a 6 hour ride on my motorcycle. Needless to say I was single again when I got back . 🙂

S~~~ tests are for kids, I am an ADULT.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[experiencedParticipant]

“Why are women very indirect a lot of the time?”  Because their goal is not communication but manipulation.

Also, they NEVER stop negotiating from the perspective of what’s theirs is theirs and what’s yours is negotiable.

They see a man at a distance, “What can he provide me how much of?”  then once they’ve got him, it’s non stop extraction while reaching for the next branch guy higher. The extraction via manipulation.  Don’t want this branch’s man to bail before they’ve got the next sucker.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5106]

Simple answer: VALIDATION

I am rapidly approaching 50, and I have only learned one thing about women: they need 24/7 validation.

The “indirect” game can be for a few things:

1) To force you to validate her immediately.

2) To test you, and see if you fall into her training – validating her by falling into her lead.

3) To see how much of a lapdog you are, and sit there trying to decipher and anticipate her needs – validating her that you are interested, and are willing to go through mental gymnastics.

4) To see if she can have you brainwashed into always making plans to wine and dine her – validating her idea that she is a princess.

With all female tactics, the end game is almost always the same: Validation

Sovereignty above all else.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Who cares.

Zero f~~~s given.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

As much as I hate the movie “The Notebook,” this is pretty accurate:

[Anonymous 13]

When will men stop wondering so they can grow as men?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I would like to thank @UtopianLobotomy for making me edit – and withdraw – my entire response. Owe you a beer. Im kicking myself for wasting time I don’t have composing that one. He actually proved my point and I fell for it! I’m sitting there for 5 minutes explaining how woman use dissimulation to confuse & distract men and the reason they do it, is so that you will keep talking and caring about them. Trying to “figure them out”. It’s bulls~~~.

Don’t make that mistake, and stop beginning questions with “why are women”.
…. because the answer to any question like that, is is always: WHO CARES.

Mystery solved.

•••••

PS @MegaChris I saw that clip from the notebook online a few days ago for the first time. I actually said to the screen: “who cares” buddy. You’re cured. Stop driving yourself crazy, and stop giving a s~~~ – when she won’t even answer you. The reason she won’t answer you, is so that you will keep thinking about her. Never let a bitch – who won’t even answer a direct question – live in your head rent free.

I had that exact conversation with an EX once. I wanted her to ring her f~~~ing neck so badly because she stood there like a stupid lump of useless s~~~ not answering me either. I got so mad , she left to go for a walk (downtown at night by herself) so that I could calm the f~~~ down. If she had any sense, she would have packed her s~~~ and left. But you know why she came back an hour later? To f~~~ing p~~~ me off AGAIN.

It doesn’t even bother her that it bothers you. In a perverse way, she actually LIKED it.

By not answering a direct question and knowing how much it irritates, she is enjoying watching you p~~~ed off. To a woman this means you “care about her”. If she actually answered him, he could now make a decision. There are too many examples of how women would rather be beaten or yelled at than totally ignored. But she won’t answer you because “she wants you to think of it and want it yourself. “If you loved her, you would know”. I s~~~ you not. Women actually think like that.

: “why are women”….. ?

: Who cares.

Don’t any of you guys ever let me answer a question like that with more than those two words again.
For the next 10 minutes, my MGTOW card is revoked.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

Never let a bitch – who won’t even answer a direct question – live in your head rent free.

A few minutes ago, I put down an old Harry Dresden novel. Dresden is the unwilling host to a demon-parasite who resides in his mind. Later in the series, he expels her (the demon is a female), but in this book she is a major cause of conflict in his life.

BTW, the Harry Dresden series is one of the very few I never burned out on. It is authored by Jim Butcher. Look it up; it’s a treat.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[PokeParticipant 10]

First of all, women are completely ruled by their emotions, period. There is no getting around this. That is why women make no sense to men. This is why in my opinion a woman should have never been permitted the vote, to be in positions of authority or decision making unless they are caring for small children in a nursery and even then, a man must be in the position of making the decisions because a man can be objective whereas a woman cannot due to her emotions clouding her judgement. We have all seen it.

Below is an Excerpt from the book: The Way of the Superior Man
By David Deida
Chapter 16:
Women Are Not Liars
“Keeping your word” is a masculine trait, in men or women. A person with a feminine essence may not keep her word, yet it is not exactly “lying” In the feminine reality, words and facts take a second place to emotions and the shifting moods of relationship. When she says, “I hate you,” or “I’ll never move to Texas,” or “I don’t want to go to the movies,” it is often more a reflection of a transient feeling-wave than a well considered stance with respect to events and experience. On the other hand, the masculine means what it says. A man’s word is his honor. The feminine says what it feels. A woman’s word is her true expression in the moment.

Women are not liars, although they often seem that way to men. This is why a man must ultimately be responsible for making his own decisions, based on the deepest truth he can fathom. Otherwise, if he bends his course of truth to compromise for his woman’s current and changing expressions, he will probably end up blaming her.

This may only come close to the iceburg of your question, but I hope it helps. It helped me gain a much needed understanding and has helped me at least know how different men and women really are. Men must take charge of their lives and especially if there is a woman in their lives.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5106]

@poke

“Otherwise, if he bends his course of truth to compromise for his woman’s current and changing expressions, he will probably end up blaming her.”

You make some fantastic observations. In my quest to unlock the female mind, I need to understand how I react to their bulls~~~ – staying calm is the only way to objectively observe them.  When I feel they are doing this s~~~ on purpose, I have to remember that they are incapable of anything else.

“Bending = Blaming” this is an ah-hah moment for me.  Yes, I think this has happened to me for much of my adult life.  The inevitable result of slow insidious bending, forced by the female, will eventually lead to resentment on our part. We have been so pussy trained, that they slowly chip away at us, we aren’t even aware of how deep they have their claws in until we crack.

I am trying formulate a few personal “rules” for dealing with the female mind.  I already am firmly rooted in my “24/7 Validation Needs” theory when observing their genetically narcissistic behavior. I am going to add your Bending = Blaming concept when observing my own hostile reactions to female manipulation.

Sovereignty above all else.

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