Why are there MGTOW traitors and deserters?

[The ApprenticeParticipant 59]

Just about all my role models out there have turned out to be hypocrites, why?

Examples:

Sandman: a source of MGTOW videos. Ends up getting a girlfriend and flip flops on MGTOW from what I understand.
Stefan Molyneux discussing about how marriage and divorce can ruin you. Status: Married…
Tom Leykis: Has a radio show talking about things relevant to MGTOW. Apparently from reading YouTube comments he is married/divorced x4??
Joe Rogan who hosts podcasts discussing similar things. Status? Married…

I’m p~~~ed off. My guess is that they are like those characters in movies or shows who act all tough and brave. They are the loudest, meanest looking people but when a real confrontation occurs, they are the first to run. I should note that the thing that p~~~es me off the most is that they are fully aware of what they are getting themselves into. They are informed and yet they turn their backs on MGTOW. What??

[Anonymous 12]

I don’t think you have to be unmarried to be MGTOW or single or avoid all contact with women.

I also think that a married man can talk about how divorce can ruin a man, in fact they may know better than anyone else.

That stuff aside I think you will always get people in any form of ideology who flip flop or do things that seem contradictory to the cause they support. You will also get people walking away. Look at Feminism there is a rising number of women walking away from it, it’s just the way things go, people change their minds, form new opinions. Can’t do much about that but there is always someone new to take their place and that is what matters.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Tom Leykis has been married 4 times.  First time he divorce his wife because she wanted children and he didn’t.  Second one cheated on him.  Third, he married to p~~~ off the 2nd ex.  Four wife he divorce her because she got him arrested on false domestic abuse charges.

 

Sandman is a douche, his monk of MGTOW video p~~~ed people off.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[griffinParticipant 189]

Other than Sandman I don’t think any of those men ever claimed to be specifically mgtow and they haven’t “run” from anything as far as I can tell. They offer their opinions on a bunch of different topics and as always, it’s up to you to decide if any of that information is worth using or not…chastising them for not being mgtow enough for you seems hardly relevant to the real issues of the day.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Bill Burr: rants about marriage, ends up getting married. My guess is they haven’t had enough of women’s s~~~, or they are too worried about public image.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

griffin wrote:

Other than Sandman I don’t think any of those men ever claimed to be specifically mgtow and they haven’t “run” from anything as far as I can tell. They offer their opinions on a bunch of different topics and as always, it’s up to you to decide if any of that information is worth using or not…chastising them for not being mgtow enough for you seems hardly relevant to the real issues of the day.

Dude, please, Tom Leykis has had multiple shows where he downs marriage and “why settle down”.

[UptownjesusParticipant 95]

Easy answer: pussy. It’s a tough drug to resist. Eventually you get that itch, and you fall off the wagon. It’s not something we do because we expect it to end well (and it never will). It’s a compulsion.

#pancaketittyshaming

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Uptownjesus wrote:

Easy answer: pussy. It’s a tough drug to resist. Eventually you get that itch, and you fall off the wagon. It’s not something we do because we expect it to end well (and it never will). It’s a compulsion.

That doesn’t make any sense. These men can get plenty of pussy, there is no need to marry these broads.

[griffinParticipant 189]

@snake,

Admittedly i haven’t listened to much of Leykis, but i am aware he’s against marriage and settling down…Has he ever confirmed mgtow status though? If so I am unaware…there is many a man living a mgtow lifestyle yet not claiming to be mgtow.

If discounting anything Rogan or Molyneux have to say based on the fact they have wives then I’m afraid that’s where we part company. An attitude such as that is starting to sound a little too “cultish” for my tastes.

 

[The ApprenticeParticipant 59]

griffin wrote:

@snake, Admittedly i haven’t listened to much of Leykis, but i am aware he’s against marriage and settling down…Has he ever confirmed mgtow status though? If so I am unaware…there is many a man living a mgtow lifestyle yet not claiming to be mgtow. If discounting anything Rogan or Molyneux have to say based on the fact they have wives then I’m afraid that’s where we part company. An attitude such as that is starting to sound a little too “cultish” for my tastes.

No I’m not discounting anything they are saying but their character is greatly diminished if they are saying “Don’t marry, this and that could happen to you!” and then they go and get married. Though if they are married before they become “enlightened”, then that’s another thing.

[TravisParticipant 84]

Burr and Rogen are entertainers, so not everything they say is autobiographical.

Also, sometimes people follow a particular philosophy that makes them feel better about their current situation. When their situation changes, their philosophy does also.

Best advice my dad gave me, "Don't get married. Don't have kids."

[The ApprenticeParticipant 59]

Uptownjesus wrote:

Easy answer: pussy. It’s a tough drug to resist. Eventually you get that itch, and you fall off the wagon. It’s not something we do because we expect it to end well (and it never will). It’s a compulsion.

I think you have a good point.

Snake wrote:

Uptownjesus wrote:

Easy answer: pussy. It’s a tough drug to resist. Eventually you get that itch, and you fall off the wagon. It’s not something we do because we expect it to end well (and it never will). It’s a compulsion.

That doesn’t make any sense. These men can get plenty of pussy, there is no need to marry these broads.

I don’t think anything ever makes sense in this world. Especially when it comes to relations~~~s. I’m starting to think they figure that they have found, “the one” or that “unicorn” which woos them into settling down. Perhaps they think this is the one woman they can have a meaningful relationship with. Then after a few months you have divorce #4 on your hands…. lol

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[griffinParticipant 189]

The Apprentice wrote:

No I’m not discounting anything they are saying but their character is greatly diminished if they are saying “Don’t marry, this and that could happen to you!” and then they go and get married. Though if they are married before they become “enlightened”, then that’s another thing.

Well I’m fairly sure both Rogan and Molyneux have both been married for some time,  before they started their podcasts…I can’t speak for Rogan but I’ve listened to enough of Stephan to not having recalled him ever stating not to marry. Stephan’s take has always been make sure you find a woman of virtue if you are going to get married….now obviously that’s a whole other debate getting into Nawalt territory and not the point of this thread. Stephan certainly seems to be sympathetic to mgtow philosophy and understands mgtows postition but I’ve never heard him claim to be mgtow himself….but i’d think it’s safe to say he drives a lot of traffic our way.

[The ApprenticeParticipant 59]

griffin wrote:

The Apprentice wrote:

No I’m not discounting anything they are saying but their character is greatly diminished if they are saying “Don’t marry, this and that could happen to you!” and then they go and get married. Though if they are married before they become “enlightened”, then that’s another thing.

Well I’m fairly sure both Rogan and Molyneux have both been married for some time, before they started their podcasts…I can’t speak for Rogan but I’ve listened to enough of Stephan to not having recalled him ever stating not to marry. Stephan’s take has always been make sure you find a woman of virtue if you are going to get married….now obviously that’s a whole other debate getting into Nawalt territory and not the point of this thread. Stephan certainly seems to be sympathetic to mgtow philosophy and understands mgtows postition but I’ve never heard him claim to be mgtow himself….but i’d think it’s safe to say he drives a lot of traffic our way.

All right, then those were bad examples. I didn’t intend for the examples to be the focus of this topic, rather, why are there those that are educated about MGTOW, say they are GTOW but then get married?

[TheGouliatParticipant 20]

If you take anyone who does things like Bill Burr, he earns Money with it. he dont have to believe what he is saying. Its his JOB. To earn money, as a comedian, you to build an image and use the Jokes that work. Accept that.

 

All those you mentioned before are making Money of it. Start seperating the Actor from their work. The Work they make Public can be a great Job, but, the Person who made it dont have to be great too only because he/she did something great.

 

As long as you dont know someone in Person for some time, you cannot say he/she is this or that.

 

In addition, most MGTOWs are coming from bad expierience. the MGTOW Community then serves as a Therapy to settle their hate/frustration/whatever and as soon as they got rid of it, they go on.

[jack reacherParticipant 751]

For some reason I think Burr got married just to fuel his comedy routine. He cant joke forever about broads without being in a relationship every now and then. though his latest special had less edge than the previous one, I am hoping he returns to form soon.

[experiencedParticipant]

Jack Reacher,”…though his latest special had less edge than the previous one, I am hoping he returns to form soon.”

See this left and right. Guys a champ. Marries or just relations~~~s, BAM he’s “out of the zone.”

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[WolfParticipant 890]

Let’s not forget that there are four levels of MGTOW. I consider myself to be level 1 and 1/2. While I am absolutely opposed to getting married, I am not opposed to dating women or possibly being in a relationship with one.

The thing I love about MGTOW: it teaches men to understand women. If we can understand them, then that helps us to protect ourselves from their s~~~.

Accordingly, I’m all for dating a fun woman – perhaps even commit to her – but I won’t tolerate any of the typical manipulation that women pull.

[Elgos_GrimParticipant 254]

Let’s not forget that there are four levels of MGTOW

Let’s not do that.

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