Who's really getting screwed ?

[Anonymous 1]

Since the dawn of time women have known that they have something men need. I have not the slightest doubt that the best cave dwelling hunter got laid regularly. Yes, some of the time that need is sex, but not always. Sometimes it is just simple companionship.

Men, most men, are willing to do, and pay anything, to have that companionship. If a guy is lonely and wants to talk with a female, it is common for him to go to bars that specialize in providing that kind of companionship. Back when I was a teen, those female were called “B-girls” or “B-drinkers.” A guy would go to the bar, see a female he liked, and wave her over. She would sit with him as long as he kept buying her drinks, (at a grossly inflated price).

Time/drink

is/was usually 15-20 minutes.

Some poor lonely bastards, even spend significant amounts of cash to talk with a female on the phone. That is getting horribly desparate. We all see TV commercials on TV advertising for such services. I have not done it myself but I think it costs $3-5/minute to talk with a female who is supposed to be extremely hot, but is actually old, ugly and fat.

The next step up for desparate men is to get a massage. Obviously the prices for such services are also quite high. Sometimes there is a “happy ending”, often not, if so, the price goes way up.

Then there are the “escorts”. The escort will charge several hundred dollars /hour just to have dinner with the guy. Naturally, more costs a lot more.

And so it goes. Straight out prostitution can cost as little as $25 for a quick blow job from a grungy street walker, who is often an addict. But if he wants a good looking female the price often goes through the roof. $250/hour is normal but if he wants/needs something more, like a girlfriend experience, the cost can be $2,500 per evening. What was it that President Trump paid Stormy Daniels for a week-end ? $150,000 ?

No matter what circumstances, when a man has contact with a female, even a straight date, he pays for the privilege of her company. I have been on many hundred dates, and I can count on one hand the number of times SHE paid for dinner.

Men, all men, straight or gay like sex. Gay men get together. just for the shear pleasure of the sex act. When it is over, neither partner feels that anyone owes anything to anyone. That is not normally true for females. She may go to bed with him , but she believes , with every fiber of her being, that he “owes” her something. Not necessarily money, but certainly more dates and more “free stuff”.

Keep an eye on the evening news. most of the time when we see a news story about a guy kills his GF or Ex, it is very often that she has recently left him. That is because he needs her much more than she needs him.

Yes, buddies, she has our number, and she makes us pay through the nose.

Who is REALLY the victim ?

[Handsome VicParticipant 1613]

Not me. I’ve got better things to do than talk to random women on the phone or pay $hundreds for a dinner date.

Nothing women say is that interesting anyway. Mostly, they bitch and complain.

Those women are just being agreeable because they are being paid. It doesn’t work that way in real life.

Money stops, their agreeableness stops. Whether hooker, date, or wife.

A MGTOW guy can live a happy life without that s~~~.

I'm going my own way. Maybe I'll see you there.

[Anonymous 18]

Listening to a woman on date for longer than 5 minutes and falling halfway a 20 storey building- the thought always crosses a man’s mind:

why did I do it?

[Anonymous 1]

Oh, I was not referring to MGTOW guys. I was referring to the vast majority of men in the entire world.
It’s about the money. it always has been; always will be.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22502]

Anonymous wrote:

Since the dawn of time women have known that they have something men need. I have not the slightest doubt that the best cave dwelling hunter got laid regularly. Yes, some of the time that need is sex, but not always. Sometimes it is just simple companionship.
Men, most men, are willing to do, and pay anything, to have that companionship. If a guy is lonely and wants to talk with a female, it is common for him to go to bars that specialize in providing that kind of companionship. Back when I was a teen, those female were called “B-girls” or “B-drinkers.” A guy would go to the bar, see a female he liked, and wave her over. She would sit with him as long as he kept buying her drinks, (at a grossly inflated price).

Time/drink

is/was usually 15-20 minutes.
Some poor lonely bastards, even spend significant amounts of cash to talk with a female on the phone. That is getting horribly desparate. We all see TV commercials on TV advertising for such services. I have not done it myself but I think it costs $3-5/minute to talk with a female who is supposed to be extremely hot, but is actually old, ugly and fat.
The next step up for desparate men is to get a massage. Obviously the prices for such services are also quite high. Sometimes there is a “happy ending”, often not, if so, the price goes way up.
Then there are the “escorts”. The escort will charge several hundred dollars /hour just to have dinner with the guy. Naturally, more costs a lot more.
And so it goes. Straight out prostitution can cost as little as $25 for a quick blow job from a grungy street walker, who is often an addict. But if he wants a good looking female the price often goes through the roof. $250/hour is normal but if he wants/needs something more, like a girlfriend experience, the cost can be $2,500 per evening. What was it that President Trump paid Stormy Daniels for a week-end ? $150,000 ?
No matter what circumstances, when a man has contact with a female, even a straight date, he pays for the privilege of her company. I have been on many hundred dates, and I can count on one hand the number of times SHE paid for dinner.
Men, all men, straight or gay like sex. Gay men get together. just for the shear pleasure of the sex act. When it is over, neither partner feels that anyone owes anything to anyone. That is not normally true for females. She may go to bed with him , but she believes , with every fiber of her being, that he “owes” her something. Not necessarily money, but certainly more dates and more “free stuff”.
Keep an eye on the evening news. most of the time when we see a news story about a guy kills his GF or Ex, it is very often that she has recently left him. That is because he needs her much more than she needs him.
Yes, buddies, she has our number, and she makes us pay through the nose.
Who is REALLY the victim ?

Men like the idea of sex. The actual sex men have often is not nearly as good as what they thought it was going to be, in their mind. Then dump all rhe female reality baggage on top of that, and almost none of the sex is truly worth the s~~~ that comes with it. Hooker sex or otherwise.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[ShineParticipant 1696]

I wouldn’t necessarily say get a massage is desperation.

It can perform stress release, trigger point realease and soften tense muscles.

The sad part is how many terrible massues there are who try to just upsell a hand job for a tip.

Like ordering a beer and getting a lemonade.

There are of course the skilled artisans who could provide a great massage and get you over the edge simply with a little tease and moving of energy.

Nowadays I prefer yoga, gives a workout and that just has a cracker of a massage feeling. Cheaper, better and more satisfying.

"Society is to blame" Denton

[Anonymous 1]

I am mostly interested in what is a at the psychological core of men’s need for females. Why do men need women, more than the reverse.

[Anonymous 18]

Validation. Stems from our definition of affection and unconditional love we receive by our mothers as babies.
Society hijacks neurochemical pathways where validation can ONLY come from female supplication.
Brotherly love among men and competition at work (when not benefitting a woman) is deemed ineligible for validation because ‘gay’, ‘insecure’, ‘poor team player’, ‘antisocial’.

However, the moment a man shifts his focus on women to seek validation – he has lost his destination and more importantly himself.

[Anonymous 1]

Validation. hmm That seems to make a great deal of sense. I’ll have to chew on that for awhile. I think Thorndyke is on to something here.

[ShineParticipant 1696]

Companionship is the other thing that keeps men on the plantation.

I learnt to be independent and completely at peace in solitude that my default mode is to monk hard. Train, eat, sleep.

If I let friends in they are either good people worth a little of my time, or people with common interests who I hang out with.

I think self sufficiency helps keep one focused.

"Society is to blame" Denton

[Anonymous 1]

We all can think of hundreds of men, thousands of men, who are self sufficient, yet, in the end, most willingly line up to have the ring put in their noses. Once that ring is in place we are lead around like cattle.

Of course, it all depends upon how we define “self sufficiency”.

I’m still chewing on Thorndyke’s idea of validation. If he is right, and I think he very may well be correct, there is a “psychological attachment” with a good and loving mother, that can only be obtained again via another female (for MOST men).

Females may get that psychological attachment from other females. Hence they don’t need us, the same way we need them.

This may explain why the suicide rate for divorced men is vastly greater than divorced females.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Validation. hmm That seems to make a great deal of sense.

Of course it’s validation. As a young man, I felt the need for validation from a woman before I even knew what the word ‘validation’ meant.

Societal pressure, even from other guys, is another factor. Many people would think (and still do) that there’s something ‘wrong’ with a guy who isn’t latched to some t~~~…

[Anonymous 1]

Autolite, Yes, you are, of course correct. However, IMO societal pressure plays a much smaller role than our own internal (psychological) needs. Just think of the millions of guys, right this minute, who are in bars drinking and looking for females.

The more I think about it, it seems that “validation” is our Achilles heel. Remove the need for validation, and we would be free.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Remove the need for validation, and we would be free.

That’s what we all learned day one in MGTOW 101 class…

[Anonymous 1]

Ok. It may be old hat for most of the guys here, but it’s a new concept for me.
I’d very much like to discuss “validation” and specifically what that means to different men.
What does validation mean to you ?
When a man seeks validation from a female, what SPECIFICALLY is he looking for ?

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