Where have the REAL Men gone?

[Anonymous 18]

The following is a excerpt from http://www.therationalmale.com; it is long but worth its weight in red pills. Helps us understand the toxicity of neofeminism on masculinity on men who fall victims in believing the lies.
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Neofemininity
By Rollo Tomassi

I’ll admit my reluctance to address anything written by Kevin Powell, but as his most recent CNN pandering to the Feminine Imperative was the Twitter topic du jour in the manosphere this week I thought I’d make a perfunctory stab at it. I’m reluctant to do so because in doing a take-down article I’ll only be preaching to the choir and revisiting many well established topics I’ve covered on The Rational Male for years now.

What convinced me was a conversation I had with Mrs. Tomassi while walking my greyhounds this week. She asked me, “What the hell is wrong with boys these days? The all have no b~~~~. It’s like they want to be girls or something.” We’ve had this discussion before. It usually gets brought up after she’s heard some story about the boys at my daughter’s high school or she sees it first-hand at a football game or some other event.

“Pretty soon, everyone is going to be a woman. Look at Bruce Jenner, “Woman of the Year”?! In the next ten years everyone will be a woman.”

I told her I think ten years might be too long.

When I read male-apologetics like Kevin Powell’s tribute to his own feminine ‘transitioning’ and his efforts at identifying and qualifying to be considered a more ‘perfected man’ in the terms set for him by a feminine-primary social order, it’s not hard to believe that social switch is right around the corner.

A Crisis of Manhood

Masculinity in “crisis” is a hot seller for click-bait articles these days. Women embrace the meme because it offers the tacit prospect of wrangling men into a more definitive control by the Feminine Imperative. Like all popular characterization of conventional masculinity, men have a problem and the cure is to become more like women.

Average men, the ones who make it their sexual strategy to better identify with the feminine, get behind the meme because it offers an easy opportunity to present themselves as the ‘evolved’, not-like-other-guys men they’ve been conditioned to believe women will sexually respond to favorably. Embracing this men-as-problem meme also offers them the opportunity to passively compete intrasexually with the conventionally masculine men then would otherwise never engage.

Before I dig into Powell’s article here I think it’s important to revisit my essay about Vulnerability. Powell’s ego is invested in the ‘strength in weakness’ theme his feminine conditioning has taught him is ennobling and as you read through his pleas for a more feminine-perfected social order he’ll return to it often.

From Vulnerability:

For the greater part of men’s upbringing and socialization they are taught that a conventional masculine identity is in fact a fundamentally male weakness that only women have a unique ‘cure’ for. It’s a widely accepted manosphere fact that over the past 60 or so years, conventional masculinity has become a point of ridicule, an anachronism, and every media form from then to now has made a concerted effort to parody and disqualify that masculinity. Men are portrayed as buffoons for attempting to accomplish female-specific roles, but also as “ridiculous men” for playing the conventional ‘macho’ role of masculinity. In both instances, the problems their inadequate maleness creates are only solved by the application of uniquely female talents and intuition.

Perhaps more damaging though is the effort the Feminine Imperative has made in convincing generations of men that masculinity and its expressions (of any kind) is an act, a front, not the real man behind the mask of masculinity that’s already been predetermined by his feminine-primary upbringing.

Women who lack any living experience of the male condition have the calculated temerity to define for men what they should consider manhood – from a feminine-primary context. This is why men’s preconception of vulnerability being a sign of strength is fundamentally flawed. Their concept of vulnerability stems from a feminine pretext.

Masculinity and vulnerability are defined by a female-correct concept of what should best serve the Feminine Imperative. That feminine defined masculinity (tough-guy ridiculousness) feeds the need for defining vulnerability as a strength – roll over, show your belly and capitulate to that feminine definition of masculinity – and the cycle perpetuates itself.

[…]Men are ridiculous posers. Men are socialized to wear masks to hide what the Feminine Imperative has decided is their true natures (they’re really girls wearing boy masks). Men’s problems extend from their inability to properly emote like women, and once they are raised better (by women and men who comply with the Feminine Imperative) they can cease being “tough” and get along better with women. That’s the real strength that comes from men’s feminized concept of vulnerability – compliance with the Feminine Imperative.

[…]It’s indictment of the definers of what masculinity ought to be that they still characterize modern masculinity (based on the ‘feels’) as being problematic when for generations our feminine-primary social order has conditioned men to associate that masculinity in as feminine-beneficial a context as women would want.

They still rely on an outdated formula which presumes the male experience is inferior, a sham, in comparison to the female experience, and then presumes to know what the male experience really is and offers feminine-primary solutions for it.

It’s important to understand the machinations in which the Feminine Imperative will define masculinity for men. In order to maintain social preeminence the Feminine Imperative must keep men perpetually confused about what masculinity really is. This is precisely why the “crisis” of masculinity will, deliberately, never be solved to the satisfaction of the imperative. To solve the ‘crisis’ would be to deny the Feminine Imperative a method of ever changing, fluid control over men.

Tail Chasing

Thus we get inquisitive articles or mandatory gatherings to discuss “what is manhood?” In a state of feminine social primacy men discussing new definitions of masculinity is always a proposition of men chasing their own tails, but the ambiguity of that question is a calculated one.

Men are encouraged to continually attempt to answer “what is manhood?”, but the touchy-feely equalist appropriate answer is never one defined by the men asking it; the answer is always provided to them and this is always “whatever serves women the best”. Their confused state is a deliberate perpetual one.

As I stated in Vulnerability the narrative of the Feminine Imperative about masculinity is one that’s based falsehoods. If men define masculinity for themselves, and that definition serves men’s exclusive interests it is equated with posing or a front men falsely wear to mask the real masculinity that feminine primacy has ordained as legitimate.

So even when men collectively compare notes and prioritize their needs and their sexual strategy in the context of a legitimate definition of masculinity, the social narrative of feminism and feminine primacy readily disqualifies it as a being a macho bravado worn by men to cover their real vulnerable sensitive feminine-corrected egos provided for them by the imperative.

One of the ways of determining whether the propaganda you’ve dropped from the planes is sinking into the general populace is that your language, your narrative and your public relations material is willfully being professed by the people you hope to conquer. To say Powell is a Vichy Male wouldn’t do his obliviousness to being so credit. Powell is a testament to the degree to which feminine-primary, feminine-correct thought has saturated into men confused about their own masculinity, and the feminine correct definitions of it he’s ready to evangelize.

Neofemininity

Powell’s ego-investment in his feminine-defined masculinity is glaringly apparent. To attack his belief is to attack his personality, but it’s important to note that his evangelizing reveals his obliviousness to his Blue Pill conditioning. Powell isn’t making a case for a ‘healthier masculinity’; he’s advocating for men adopting a neo-femininity in place of conventional masculinity. Powell is essentially advocating men become more perfected women and renaming that state “masculinity”.

I knew the guys were not comfortable with these mandatory gatherings, so I started each with a simple question:
What is a man?

Sighs of relief and phrases such as “leader,” “protector,” “caretaker,” “responsible,” “head of the house” fell from their mouths. Each session, I told them that they had just described my single mother and most women I’ve encountered in my life. These young men would grow quiet.

Powell kicks things off here with the blank-slate “men and women are functional equals” I described in Hypergamy Knows Best. This is the same “women are just as good at fathering as any man could be” rationale that reinforces men’s superfluousness with women. However, in doing so he sets the stage for defining masculinity in neo-feminine terms.

I grew up as most heterosexual boys did: I played every sport possible. I learned early on the rite-of-passage of seeing girls as sexual objects, as playthings, as anything except my equal. I fought because boys were taught to fight, be rough, antagonistic, to never show weakness, not even to cry, at least not in public. I digested every kind of pop cultural icon one could name, on television, in movies, in books, in my beloved hip-hop culture, who represented the mighty male figure that armies of us were instructed we must become.

This behavior led to catastrophic results for me. I had no clue how to express a balance of emotions for many years: It was either thunderous silence or raw explosions of rage. I did not know how to give love to myself or women and girls, and by the time I got to college, I merely did what other young males on my campus did: I had sex as casually as I slipped on my jeans and sneakers, and often did not give much thought to the woman on the receiving end. And I eventually pushed a girlfriend, post-college, into a bathroom door as we were arguing, the culmination of years of backward and very warped definitions of manhood imprisoned in pain and trauma.

Powell attempts to frame his case for a neo-feminine definition of masculinity in what are now very clichéd, very expected personal vignettes. It follows the Script.

We have the ostensibly ‘tough’ boy who grew up to be so thanks to a comically stereotypically male acculturation that taught him how to adapt and survive in his environment, but all of which stunted his capacity to balance his emotions. Emotional expression and an overemphasis on understanding emotion (in favor of reason) in men is the hallmark of a social narrative that prioritizes the feminine as the correct social context.

The story continues as expected. The kid who had no positive model of masculinity presented to him has an epiphany, renounces his unhealthy masculinity and adopts a non-toxic feminine-defined ‘healthy masculinity’ that prioritizes women under the auspices of “equality”. Most of his corrupted upbringing of course being the fallout from not having his superfluous father around to instruct him. My guess is Mom wasn’t quite the ‘equal’ of being the man he hoped to equate her with earlier.

Just as the feminist movement in America has challenged male domination in every form, a men’s movement is needed now more than ever before. The movement must be inclusive of males of all ages and backgrounds, rooted in peace, love and healthy definitions of manhood that include viewing women and girls as our equals. It should be a movement that is not in opposition to women, not trying to return to the days of “the rugged man,” but one that makes room for every kind of man possible (including men on the LGBTQ spectrum), where we can be vulnerable, emotionally available, truly free.

This is the crux of Powell’s misinformation. The ideal ‘masculinity’ in Powell’s estimate isn’t one of rugged individualism, but rather one that is more feminine-corrected; one in which a believes that society has progressed to a point where his personal vulnerabilities and emotionalism will not only be appreciated, but a source of intersexual attraction. His ideal simply amounts to a common plea for men to identify with women so thoroughly that they answer the question “what is a man?” with “a better woman.”

That Powell subscribes to egalitarian equalism is a given here, but what he needs to truly grasp is that men and women are not, and never have been functional equals. It’s ironic that he should describe his single mother ‘as a man’ and then go on to tell the story of his misspent masculine youth – he makes the case for necessary complentarianism without even realizing it. While I do agree about the necessity of understanding individuals other than ourselves, Powell never makes the connection that it is men upon whom the onus of understanding women always falls. You will never read deep soul searching testimonials like this from women who look to redefine femininity in ways that better accommodate the emotional health of men.

Caricatures of Masculinity

I undertook this post today because of a story I heard on NPR recently. It was about a tribe of Native Americans (I believe in Montana) who were struggling to preserve their indigenous language. The problem was that most of its native speakers were dying out and there were less than six tribe members who still used the language.

During the late 1800s there was a program instituted by the government that made great, often cruel, efforts to assimilate these Indian children into western society. That meant forbidding them from speaking their native tongue and adopting an American social identity. Being young, the kids had little choice and not the same sense of ethnic belonging to really understand why their parents would resist this assimilation.

I think a similar dynamic has been in effect in western culture with regard to masculinity for over sixty years. It’s come full circle now to the point where ‘men’ like Powell only know the caricatured, ridiculous portrayals of conventional masculinity when they need a convenient straw man to blow down. It’s like Indian children seeing the grotesque cartoon parodies of people of their ethnicity in the movies or media; after the laughter and denigration they come to a point of self-loathing where they gladly embrace the new racial identity that’s prepared for them.

The point of Powell’s article was a plea to more thoroughly assimilate young men into a neo-feminine definition of masculinity. He believes that a re-education of boys would help avert more mass shootings by these same young men. So invested is he in this narrative that the question of whether doubling-down on the re-education in feminine primacy already in place might in fact be the associative cause of these shootings, men’s 4-times higher rate of suicide or PTSD. This isn’t even an afterthought for him.

To Powell the only cure resides with women. To become more like women is masculinity to him. We will denigrate and admonish the overt sexualization of young girls, but when young boys wish to ‘transition’ into being girls themselves we praise them for it, we celebrate it. Feminine primacy consolidates power by replicating itself in men.

The primary reason I went to the effort of writing the Red Pill Parenting series was to help men stave off the total, ethnocidal-like destruction of any semblance of conventional masculinity by men like Powell bent on replacing it with ‘perfected’, male-embodied femininity. The problem isn’t one of boys adopting toxic masculinity, it’s the institutionalized gender-loathing re-education that Powell so desperately endorses. Neofemininity will be the realm of boys and men in tomorrow’s idealism.

[OldBillParticipant]

While the subject matter bears repeating, it’s just another riff on Adam Carolla’s 2010 book “In Fifty Years We’ll All Be Chicks”.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Anonymous 1]

I just scan through the text. Couldn’t find anything of interest, to be honest.

The problem is not only Feminism, or the “feminization” of men (and the “masculinization” of women). The problem, as far as I can tell, is one of RESPONSABILITY. The real question is this: Are women to be considered RESPONSIBLE for their AGENCY, rather then delegate that responsability to men? Are men’s LIVES to have an intrinsic WORTH, as women’s lives have?

I am getting tired of all this discourse of what a real men is, or isn’t. It is not a woman’s place to decide what a men is, or isn’t. And it is not a men’s responsability to care for a woman that doesn’t even want him, and only stays for his money/resources while banging the neighbor, or to any woman at all! Women are grown ups, time to behave as such!

I see a lot of “alphas” trying to shame men for not:

a) being up to a woman’s unrealistic high standarts

b) conforming to a woman’s unbelivable low standards

F~~~ these guys and f~~~ women.

The more I see/learn, the more I realize that civilization as we know and thrive today was only possible due to the “betas”. We are the ones that built the technologies, created order, cared for others. And yet, the so called betas are the ones that pussy beggars and women take a part and more than willing to sacrifice.

I am no alpha, neither I am a beta. I am me. And if this civilization needs me sacrificing my needs, emotions and LIFE to function, then I will gladly watch it crumble.

Just a little rant.

Cheers.

[MetalRay3Participant 31]

I agree that it is a lesson in personal responsiblity for ones actions. What us men and people in general need to realy do is take a step back and ask themselves. Why am I letting other people change me into something I am not? Do I have to look at them when I go to the mirror every morning? If not, then should I not care what people thing or wish me to change?

These questions are so simple to answer yet are too often not asked.

[GrumpyParticipant]

I went for a nap, I’m willing to bet a lot of other “real men” took naps too.
Now…. I want a sandwich

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Anonymous 18]

Anonymous wrote:

The problem is not only Feminism, or the “feminization” of men (and the “masculinization” of women). The problem, as far as I can tell, is one of RESPONSABILITY. The real question is this: Are women to be considered RESPONSIBLE for their AGENCY, rather then delegate that responsability to men? Are men’s LIVES to have an intrinsic WORTH, as women’s lives have?

I think the premise of the article is misunderstood here.

What you are arguing for is more in realms of MRAs’ struggle to level the playing field.

What the article does is shed light on the current feminine ideology that defines what men ought to be. And men like the guy quoted in the article believe that.

We can’t quite stand for our own rights or demand equality if the identity itself is under crisis. If women define manhood to be valid only if it obliges to feels and vulnerabilities and if men act like women, then what good is any greater accountability or responsibility to women? If we just lost the fundamental right to let men define what masculinity is.

It’s the double standards : men oppressed us, we want the right to be free from patriarchy. But now men are lesser beings unless they incorporate feminine feelings in their context of masculinity.

When I step out of the game I care less for the perks the other group has, I care more for what’s left and is being taken away to the group I belong to.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

What do women want?

Who cares ?

Mad Men

I agree … and I don’t much care what manginas want either ….. nor blue pill & white knights.

Go fk themselves.

[SkeptiskParticipant 3679]

Question:

“WHERE HAVE THE REAL MEN GONE?”

Answer:

“Is this a trick question?”

"Expecting to find a decent woman on a dating site is like dumpster diving and expecting to come out with a gourmet meal." Won'tGetFooledAgain

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Skeptisk wrote:

“WHERE HAVE THE REAL MEN GONE?”

Answer:

“Is this a trick question?”

Send anyone who asks that stupid question here…..

/good-man-locator/

Answer provided by MGTOW. Bitches can now buy themselves a sybian machine and STFU.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 29]

Where have they gone ?
Off the radar at a rough guess.

[EskimospyParticipant 841]

Ask not where the “real'” men have gone, but why.

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

I hope to hell I never become a “real man”. To a woman, a real man is someone who will be her beast of burden. Women don’t consider MGTOW to be real men because MGTOW generally ignore them and are not easily manipulated by them.
If I ever become a real man, could one of you please shoot me? Thanks.

[UnbelievableyetnotParticipant 512]

“It should be a movement that is not in opposition to women, ”

By “women”, he means “feminism”. He wants a mens movement that “checks their privilege” everytime it says something in the gender rights debate, that will not campaign for anything without approval of their feminist masters,. One that agrees that men are oppressive, all potential rapists, are toxic incomplete women, and should let “the voices of women” be the center of, and control of this mens movements beliefs and policies, which will all come down to “men cause all of their own problems and should be free to be more emotional and feminine”. Thats their one issue. The only issue you hear coming from feminists. As to discuss mens issues is oppressive and “unsafe” to them. So the movement will be full of articles on how men can be better men by HELPING WOMEN – just like that “Good Men project” that only emasculated male feminists visit.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Being a “real” man shouldn’t be defined by anyone. If you have a penis you can consider yourself a man. Period.

What ever you do next is what a real man should do, if you decide to let others define you then you are a weak man but still a man. You are responsible for your own decisions just like any other animal on the planet.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Anonymous 5]

1. The pussifcation of men by feminism.

2. The acceptance of gay rights.

3. Men walking away because of societies hatred towards them.

If females were not so f~~~ing dumb they would realize they are the reason men have left. LOL at females who believe they all deserve a tall, dark, handsome doctor with a 10 inch dick, house and is rich.

That is not reality. These c~~~s are delusional beyond belief. Their EGO’s are insanely high. I would argue that females have bigger ego’s then men simply because they feel they can do anything just because “they have a vagina and every man wants to f~~~ it”.

[Anonymous 11]

Where have the REAL Men gone? – More MGTOWs by the day you pussy begging idiots.

[chirParticipant]

I call bulls~~~ on the “neo-femininity” comment about what is a man. None of the statements “protector”, “caretaker” and so on ever entered my mind.

What is a man?
Explorer
Risk-Taker
Knowledge-seeker

Those three things are why we have math, writing, and technological progression.
Men are predominantly the ones who do those three things. If it wasnt for men willing to put their lives on the line we would all be living in grass huts.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

Translation: Where have all the pet wallets gone?

[EskimospyParticipant 841]

If one asks where have the real men gone we could always respond with two follow up questions: What would you consider a real man and what makes you think he wants anything to do with you?

[atlasParticipant 285]

I call bulls~~~ on the “neo-femininity” comment about what is a man. None of the statements “protector”, “caretaker” and so on ever entered my mind.

What is a man?
Explorer
Risk-Taker
Knowledge-seeker

Those three things are why we have math, writing, and technological progression.

chir, absolutely agree, nail on the head.

“We are on strike, we, the men of the mind. We are on strike against self-immolation. We are on strike against the creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. We are on strike against the dogma that the pursuit of one's happiness is evil. We are on strike against the doctrine that life is guilt.”

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