When/Where did this concept of Romantic Love originate from?

[Jack HarperParticipant 2863]

Question for any MGTOW more versed in history and literature. I know it’s been well covered that marriage was originally more a business arrangement and the concept of “romantic love” as portrayed in media is a relatively new “construct” within the last few centuries. And I’ve heard (and agree) that the notion of romantic love is itself based on the male perspective because we are; in fact, capable of unconditional love? But when and where did this originate? Who is to blame for this clusterf~~~ that has laid good men low for centuries and hidden away the true nature of women?

[Anonymous 42]

It originated when man lost his domain over the family about 150 years ago. All hell broke loose and the genie was let out the bottle!

I think back then it was a sense of duty more so than love.

They pump the s~~~ out of love on TV, it’s not even remotely based in reality!

Turn off the TV if you wanna get real!

[Anonymous 18]

Perhaps it is more biological than social. The cohabitation, interdependence of men and women forged evolutionary changes/adaptations. Mostly complementary from a biological perspective; however with recent ‘fempower’ social narratives, biology is relegated to politically incorrect corners.

The concept of love is a designation for male interpretation. Women do not possess the hardware to feel love; only the software to express it on a rather superficial level.

Women have subsequently brought it out in daylight and assigned categorical tasks (fancy dinners, gifts, forgiving her misgivings) as indications of ‘love’ because it is immensely beneficial to her well-being. Hence why she will ‘love’ a decent, well-to-do man yet have sex with everyone else but him.

How you may look at this is in analogy to how parasites have evolved to infect a certain type of tissue in a living thing. Certain receptors (like for HIV infecting white cells) at molecular levels facilitate parasitic growth.

Men came before love. Love is a by-product normalized to exploit the pre-existing hardware men possessed – i.e. to give and to care for in return for a place of respect in given society/culture.

In our fem-centric society ‘love’ takes precedence. Love is pro-female and anti-male. Strictly the romantic/sexual love between a man and a woman. Dog love is exempt.

In a true patriarchy free sex in the dating market would be a sign of a woman’s worth and virtue-as a sex object- no more, no less. Her sexual utility would be normalized and celebrated.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

It originated when the first blue-pill mangina caught a whiff of the gina–and lost his mind!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I wouldn’t pretend to know, but I know my Shakespeare ( and especially Romeo and Juliet ) very well, and that takes “romantic love” as far as suicide. Which is WAY too far. James Cameron also did it in Titanic.

Shakespeare also wrote “Taming of the Shrew”.
Many more modern films follow those formulas.

• West Side Story (1962) + many remakes of R&J since then
• “My Fair Lady” is the 1964 version of “Taming of the Shrew”

But “My Fair Lady” is not about “true love” at all. Phantom of the Opera is a sort of “Beauty and the Beast “….. and in both stories, the “lover” (beta) doesn’t actually win her affections. Same with “Gone With The Wind”. The man who “loves” her gets slapped and she can’t stand the sight of him.

“Romantic Love” stories don’t matter as much as the Gina Tingle stories. The Romantic love stuff is stupid monkey s~~~, but you can learn a lot from the couples who appeared to really hate each other.

• Mr. And Mrs. Smith.
• Sam and Dianne from “Cheers”
• Han Solo and Princess Leia
• Maddy and David from Moonlighting
• Rex Harrison & Audrey Hepburn.
• Shrek and Fiona
• Harry met Sally.

None of those are “romantic love”.
In fact, they spit in the face of it and wanted to kill each other.

So in my opinion “romantic love” stories are a FARCE and a MASK – to please and appease women – and to falsely brainwash men into thinking they need to serenade wine and dine to get the girls. When nothing could be further from the truth.

Women love it, because “romance” is just imagined bulls~~~ in her head where some moron pulls the most wasteful, costly, theatrical and stupid stunt. Look at every one of women’s donkey-s~~~ love stories. Their chick movies, their f~~~ing romance books, their dickless emo music — every single story has some schlub pouring endless amounts of unrequited attention onto some bitch until she’s so overwhelmed by it, the decision to put out is made for her. That’s every woman’s fantasy life — to let a man’s attention wash over her like the tide until she drowns in it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[VirgilParticipant 970]

This is a difficult thing to know for sure.

I think it is safe to say it goes back a while. I would argue that it is not as far as renaissance era or age of enlightenment. As that was a time of significant change, both in political and scientific knowledge.

If you go back far enough, to Roman Era. Marriage was used as a way to improve a political standing. Or in some cases to unite/rein in unruly conquered lands by marrying the daughter of the conquered ruler. But this practice continued for a while, citing England and France.

I would reference the works of Shakespeare though as either being an outlier or possibly a notion of the beginning, but it may not have been widespread until later in history. First example would probably be Romeo and Juliet (written 1594-1596), as that is probably the equivalent to what you asked about.

Well KM, you got to it first, had to type and date check Shakespeare…

Hope that someday I may lead others the path I have learned. As Virgil led Dante through Hell.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Tristan and Iseult dates from the 11th century.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Virgil wrote:

Well KM, you got to it first, had to type and date check Shakespeare…

Apparently, Shakespeare said there are only 7 stories / plots in world literature, and every “love” story is just a rehash & remake of that. Love stories are just the same regurgitated s~~~ over and over again.

It’s also curious that Disney pulls and re-releases their tittles every 7 years. By the time you’re 21, you have probably watched Aladdin and the Little Mermaid when you were 4, 11 and 18 …… which will have subconscious effect on how you perceive “romantic love” – even before you meet (or kissed) the girl.

Before a boy is 18, he has already been brainwashed by Disney to think he needs to be “nervous” around a pretty girl before she has even opened her mouth. And little baby women think they can behave like spoiled bitch Princess Jasmines who need to be “impressed”.

Sound familiar?

It’s quite shocking.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

By the time you’re 21, you have probably watched Aladdin when you were 4, 11 and 18 …… which will have subconscious effect on how you perceive “romantic love” – even before you meet the girl.

Of course, they start the indoctrination early.

[Anonymous 5]

In my opinion the question stems from the mass amount of men who will and always be attuned to providing (or attempting) for females. In history many great men have gone there own way. Now it’s on the public net and the knowledge is available. To know it is all a choice is very alluring to some.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

When/Where did this concept of Romantic Love originate from?

Kudos for a real good question. ++100
David and Bathsheba maybe. Who knows.
Why do men perpetuate romantic love when it’s like a fish falling in love with a 3 barbed lure. Songs by men over and over again that continue this bulls~~~ and woman sit back and think, “Sure asshole if you want to believe that drivel go for it; it serves me well”.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[Jack HarperParticipant 2863]

FrostByte wrote:

When/Where did this concept of Romantic Love originate from?

Kudos for a real good question. ++100
David and Bathsheba maybe. Who knows.
Why do men perpetuate romantic love when it’s like a fish falling in love with a 3 barbed lure. Songs by men over and over again that continue this bulls~~~ and woman sit back and think, “Sure asshole if you want to believe that drivel go for it; it serves me well”.

Yeah you know that’s another thing I was thinking about the other day while listening to the radio. I think Stardusk actually mentioned it too in one of his older videos; that most popular songs by men are love songs most popular songs by women are about themselves or some ex who wronged her or something. Tells you a lot right there.

[AFTParticipant 2722]

I just read this yesterday from one of the posts my sister made elsewhere.

https://bryanreeves.com/choose-her-everyday-or-leave-her

I thought it fit in well here.

Basically love as it is between man and woman, seems to be a one way street, or two way if you count abuse as the reward for providing your EVERYTHING, for lack of a better term, attention, resources, protection, affection etc etc etc.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Jack Harper wrote:

Yeah you know that’s another thing I was thinking about the other day while listening to the radio. I think Stardusk actually mentioned it too in one of his older videos; that most popular songs by men are love songs most popular songs by women are about themselves or some ex who wronged her or something. Tells you a lot right there.

Oh that’s a REAL tell-tale sign. MUSIC.
Keep your ears open and listen to the “love song” junk women put out.

Men write the timeless love songs.
Women write demanding hateful bitch songs.

• Micheal Buble sings “you raise me up”
• Chicago sings “You’re the Inspiration”
• Journey sing “I’m forever yours – faithfully”.
• Prince sings “I would die for you”.
• Justina Beaver sings “Die in your arms”.
• Chris’ De Burg sang the love song of the last century(!)…… “Lady in Red”.

• Madonna sings “Material Girl” and throws out a necklace some guy gives her.
• Beyonce writes “Put a ring on it” – or else, ya goddam bastard.
• Taylor Swift says “We’re never ever getting back together”.
• Maegan Trainwreck sings”Dear future husband” with a list of stupid demands for her fugly ass.
• Shania Twain sings “That don’t impress me much”.
• Whitney Houston’s “greatest love of all” is about HERSELF.
• Janet Jackson sings “what have you done for ME lately”.

It’s remarkable.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

Jack Harper wrote:

Yeah you know that’s another thing I was thinking about the other day while listening to the radio. I think Stardusk actually mentioned it too in one of his older videos; that most popular songs by men are love songs most popular songs by women are about themselves or some ex who wronged her or something. Tells you a lot right there.

Oh that’s a REAL tell-tale sign. MUSIC.
Keep your ears open and listen to the “love song” junk women put out.

Men write the timeless love songs.
Women write demanding hateful bitch songs.

• Micheal Buble sings “you raise me up”
• Chicago sings “You’re the Inspiration”
• Journey sing “I’m forever yours – faithfully”.
• Prince sings “I would die for you”.
• Justina Beaver sings “Die in your arms”.
• Chris’ De Burg sang the love song of the last century(!)…… “Lady in Red”.

• Madonna sings “Material Girl” and throws out a necklace some guy gives her.
• Beyonce writes “Put a ring on it” – or else, ya goddam bastard.
• Taylor Swift says “We’re never ever getting back together”.
• Maegan Trainwreck sings”Dear future husband” with a list of stupid demands for her fugly ass.
• Shania Twain sings “That don’t impress me much”.
• Whitney Houston’s “greatest love of all” is about HERSELF.
• Janet Jackson signs “what have you done for ME lately”.

It’s remarkable.

That is a very good point.
“There is meanness in all the arts which ladies sometimes condescend to employ for captivation. Whatever bears affinity to cunning is despicable.” Mr. Darcy “Pride and Prejudice”

Even when a song by a woman isn’t a girl power anthem, and is a semblance of a love song, when you actually listen to the lyrics the love is really for the women herself, and what the man does for her, or how he makes her feel. It is never about who the man really is inside.

That is how you know a man (Cameron Crowe) wrote the blue pill movie “Jerry Maguire”. Even blue pill men understand that love is the selfless act of caring for another, equal or greater than you care for yourself, not just loving someone for what you can get from them, or how they make you feel. That is something that would short circuit a woman’s hypergamic urges.
“I love him! I love him for the man he wants to be. And I love him for the man he almost is. ” Renee Zellweger gushes. YEAH, right Cameron. Said no woman ever.

A woman would be incapable of even imagining such a sentiment. It would have been something on the order of “OMG, he makes me feel like a princess! He really understands me.” The emphasis being on his utility to her, not on who he is.

Romantic love was born from men. Women are simply not capable of it, and only use it as a tool. They dangle it as a shiny lure, but the second they find something better it simply disappears, and you realize it never even truly existed.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Personally,
I believe it would have originated in the early medieval time frame along with “Chivalry” and could be properly referenced as originating as “Courtly Love”. Over the last few centuries the concept and meaning of both have been bastardized and misused to such an extent that most people do not know the actual premise or use of either.
IIRC
“Romantic Love” is the commoners/serfs/slaves imitation of “Courtly Love”. As people more learned than I have stated before, the “rules” of love change constantly solely to appease women, and force men to conform to whatever the ideal version for any particular woman at any given time.

Keymaster wrote:

every single story has some schlub pouring endless amounts of unrequited attention onto some bitch until she’s so overwhelmed by it, the decision to put out is made for her.

KM nailed it.
This is what the whole love industry is about. HER…. and it is fully reinforced by one single word in every story.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unrequited

Ironically (for me at least) is the constant quoting of John 15:13 to reinforce the cost of love, as I see it as the metric that a lot of women use to measure the payment the desire.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[GrumpyParticipant]

Personally,
I believe it would have originated in the early medieval time frame along with “Chivalry” and could be properly referenced as originating as “Courtly Love”. Over the last few centuries the concept and meaning of both have been bastardized and misused to such an extent that most people do not know the actual premise or use of either.
IIRC
“Romantic Love” is the commoners/serfs/slaves imitation of “Courtly Love”. As people more learned than I have stated before, the “rules” of love change constantly solely to appease women, and force men to conform to whatever the ideal version for any particular woman at any given time.

Keymaster wrote:

every single story has some schlub pouring endless amounts of unrequited attention onto some bitch until she’s so overwhelmed by it, the decision to put out is made for her.

KM nailed it.
This is what the whole love industry is about. HER…. and it is fully reinforced by one single word in every story.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unrequited

Ironically (for me at least) is the constant quoting of John 15:13 to reinforce the cost of love, as I see it as the metric that a lot of women use to measure the payment they desire.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[GrumpyParticipant]

how the hell did I double post that??

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Jim01Participant 6678]

Keymaster wrote:

Virgil wrote:

Well KM, you got to it first, had to type and date check Shakespeare…

Apparently, Shakespeare said there are only 7 stories / plots in world literature, and every “love” story is just a rehash & remake of that. Love stories are just the same regurgitated s~~~ over and over again.

It’s also curious that Disney pulls and re-releases their tittles every 7 years. By the time you’re 21, you have probably watched Aladdin and the Little Mermaid when you were 4, 11 and 18 …… which will have subconscious effect on how you perceive “romantic love” – even before you meet (or kissed) the girl.

Before a boy is 18, he has already been brainwashed by Disney to think he needs to be “nervous” around a pretty girl before she has even opened her mouth. And little baby women think they can behave like spoiled bitch Princess Jasmines who need to be “impressed”.

Sound familiar?

It’s quite shocking.

great post

it is funny looking back on my blue pill days how I was a bit like that. I have often wondered where it came from but it is posts like yours that make me realise it was through brainwashing via films/TV

it really is quite shocking when you think about it

[Jim01Participant 6678]

Also Keymaster with the Maegan Trainwreck name – couldn’t stop laughing lol

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