When White Knights Get Themselves Killed – And make things worse

[Anonymous 12]

On December 15th, 2014 at 09:44am, an Islamic gunman in Sydney, Australia lay siege in a Lindt Cafe (A chocolate shop), taking 18 hostages. The siege ended at 2:44am December 16th when the gunman executed the cafe manager and the Special Operations Group Police (Aussie SWAT) stormed the building, another hostage was killed by a ricocheting bullet.

In the press coverage afterwards there was a lot of criticism about the men in the cafe not doing more, there was an expectation that these men should rush a madman with a gun and save the day even if it meant they might get shot themselves. Of course this would take a great deal of trust and co-ordination among the men as well as luck and a preparedness to die. The Gunman also threatened that he had a bomb attached to his body, one of the main reasons the Police didn’t storm the building earlier, so in effect rushing the Gunman could have resulted in widespread carnage.

5 of the hostages managed to escape 3 of them male as the Gunman drifted in and out of sleep.

So that story and the criticism afterwards made me angry, why are men obliged to put themselves at risk? Sorry for the lengthy lead up to my main point, which is also from Australia.

On 18th June 2007 8:15am, a man was seen arguing with a woman and trying to drag her out of her car. 2 White Knights were nearby and rushed to her aid, the man pulled out a hand gun and shot both of them, hitting one in the head and killing him. He also shot the woman and the other White Knight in the chest. I was at work in Melbourne on this day and the city was shut down, it was like a ghost town while they looked for the man.

This happened in Melbourne’s strip club area, the woman was a stripper, the girlfriend of the gunman who was a bikie. If the 2 White Knights hadn’t rushed in and just alerted the Police he probably never would have reached for his gun, the Police would have stopped them and case closed.

So the price for trying to save a Stripper, a woman who trades on her looks, doesn’t want to do anything constructive with her life except make easy money was dying. The White Knight who was killed was married and had children, so his wife and kids now are minus a father and husband due to him trying to help a stripper. This is not heroism.

The second White Knight who was a Danish tourist was still undergoing treatment and rehabilitation for his injuries 2 years later.

We are not here to put ourselves at risks to protect others and sometimes protecting others makes things worse. I struggle at times with this masculine urge as well but it is not heroic or useful, an exception being if you are saving someone you actually know, love and respect. Someone you know who will do the same for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sydney_hostage_crisis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Melbourne_CBD_shootings

[Helen be DamnedParticipant 480]

Captain Save-a-hoe was shot to death today, saving some hoe. In other news….

"You can keep your soul, I don't want a cell-mate." - Them Crooked Vultures

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

I lived in a world where people used to give a s~~~ about each other. My early years to teens mostly.

As I grew the law and system changed. People divided, thought of themselves and knew not their neighbours.

The last I have seen of my old world was United 93 but that was because it was clear nobody was going to survive so there was noting to lose.

I live in a world where individuals are ‘self’ and everyone else is ‘other’.

I do not like it … but alas I must live it. My nature is kind, caring and empathetic. These things are now my curse. They binde and restrict me. They stop me becoming a ‘self’. I’m still a human.

I reach out to others by stealth and mgtow.

I can feel love and warmth without shame and can give out what my own soul offers.

I stay silent ‘out there’ and have a good mask.

Would I help ….. white knight?

The case with this biker …. I maybe would have first phoned the cops then gone and approached him …. man to man … and told him to not do this in front of witnesses. Talked … buy time.

I wouldn’t try a physical approach though.

[JasonParticipant 282]

I say it all depends on one’s knowledge of the situation (does the guy have any weapons? Does he appear open to rational discourse?) and one’s knowledge of oneself (do I have a weapon? Do I have the training and/or experience to handle this situation?). Blindly rushing in to “save” someone without first taking stock of the situation has as much (often more so) likelihood of leading to tragedy as not.

Like Sun Tzu wrote: “So it is said that if you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.”

I reckon the aforementioned White Knights knew neither themselves nor the “other” (the biker gunman)…

There lies serenity in Chaos. Seek ye the eye of the hurricane.

[LowKeyParticipant 702]

Now if that was the opposite and the guy was being harrassed by the woman, do you think someone would jump in to save the guy?

I do feel terrible for the “white knights” though

Don't let defeat, defeat you; Let defeat be your greatest teacher.

[Anonymous 13]

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Anonymous wrote:

So the price for trying to save a Stripper, a woman who trades on her looks, doesn’t want to do anything constructive with her life except make easy money was dying. The White Knight who was killed was married and had children, so his wife and kids now are minus a father and husband due to him trying to help a stripper. This is not heroism. The second White Knight who was a Danish tourist was still undergoing treatment and rehabilitation for his injuries 2 years later. We are not here to put ourselves at risks to protect others and sometimes protecting others makes things worse. I struggle at times with this masculine urge as well but it is not heroic or useful, an exception being if you are saving someone you actually know, love and respect. Someone you know who will do the same for you.

 

I often place myself in hypothetical situations as I go around in public – where I have to sacrifice my safety to help someone in public.  After being mugged and saving my own life – but only after a brutal beating I sustained – still came out equal a victor – and my service in the Iraqi games – these hypothetical scenarios are never far from my mind.  Unfortunately – I’d probably do this for some narcissistic sloot that manipulates men – has a few kids purposely w/o a dad at home.  Its trained in my brain – but hey, that’s the exploitation of male virtues and the disease of western society’s gynocentric bureaucracy that has become a scourge on humanity.

[Anonymous 5]

People in this time have a addiction to this werid type of “hero being” without really understanding that being one can be dangerous at times. Relating to the post- I guess am getting at it like this: ” don’t expect  anyone to take a bullet for you and before you know bullets can’t hit you” 😉

– Very interesting good post!

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

More proof that men are disposable in the mind of society. F~~~ off, I’m saving myself. Call me a coward or what the f~~~ ever. I want to live, not die a “hero” saving people that I have no idea whether or not they are complete pieces of s~~~.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[Anonymous 11]

The whore c~~~ these stupid White Knights were trying to save would have turned the Australian legal system on them for the slightest reason. No good deed goes unpunished.

[Anonymous 12]

ILiveAgain wrote:

I lived in a world where people used to give a s~~~ about each other. My early years to teens mostly. As I grew the law and system changed. People divided, thought of themselves and knew not their neighbours. The last I have seen of my old world was United 93 but that was because it was clear nobody was going to survive so there was noting to lose. I live in a world where individuals are ‘self’ and everyone else is ‘other’. I do not like it … but alas I must live it. My nature is kind, caring and empathetic. These things are now my curse. They binde and restrict me. They stop me becoming a ‘self’. I’m still a human. I reach out to others by stealth and mgtow. I can feel love and warmth without shame and can give out what my own soul offers. I stay silent ‘out there’ and have a good mask. Would I help ….. white knight? The case with this biker …. I maybe would have first phoned the cops then gone and approached him …. man to man … and told him to not do this in front of witnesses. Talked … buy time. I wouldn’t try a physical approach though.

Anonymous wrote:

Morlock wrote:

So the price for trying to save a Stripper, a woman who trades on her looks, doesn’t want to do anything constructive with her life except make easy money was dying. The White Knight who was killed was married and had children, so his wife and kids now are minus a father and husband due to him trying to help a stripper. This is not heroism. The second White Knight who was a Danish tourist was still undergoing treatment and rehabilitation for his injuries 2 years later. We are not here to put ourselves at risks to protect others and sometimes protecting others makes things worse. I struggle at times with this masculine urge as well but it is not heroic or useful, an exception being if you are saving someone you actually know, love and respect. Someone you know who will do the same for you.

I often place myself in hypothetical situations as I go around in public – where I have to sacrifice my safety to help someone in public. After being mugged and saving my own life – but only after a brutal beating I sustained – still came out equal a victor – and my service in the Iraqi games – these hypothetical scenarios are never far from my mind. Unfortunately – I’d probably do this for some narcissistic sloot that manipulates men – has a few kids purposely w/o a dad at home. Its trained in my brain – but hey, that’s the exploitation of male virtues and the disease of western society’s gynocentric bureaucracy that has become a scourge on humanity. [/quote]

I too was brought up in a world where people helped each other, that world seems to be gone now, I battled against it for a long time but got sick of being used and abused for it.

With the example I referenced I wouldn’t get involved beyond calling the cops, it breaks one of my long standing golden rules – Don’t intervene in domestic disputes. As I believe what will happen is the man will kick your arse and the woman will kick you when you hit the ground for attacking her man.

 

[BeerParticipant 11832]

I wouldn’t get myself involved in s~~~ like that.  Most I’d do is call the cops and sit back from a distance and enjoy the show.  If its a domestic dispute…even if the guy is violent…its not my job to save some bimbo who stays with the guy.  If she’s a stripper, I’m assuming she was at least better than average looking…she could have very easily decided not to be a dumb slut and put effort into getting a decent guy that treats her right…but nah…if she wants to hang with the thug biker its not my problem when he treats her like s~~~.

I go out of my way to make my own life drama free…I’m not about to bring some random person’s drama into it.

[Anonymous 5]

When I see s~~~ like that go down, I just keep on walking. It is not my problem.

[Math RoninParticipant 86]

Men are supposed to sacrifice everything for a woman.

And woman are supposed to sacrifice what exactly?

And men believe this because?

I’ve often wondered where this notion comes from. Mind you, I’m not against a person trying to be a hero: it’s a courageous, selfless act and one’s own choice. But what I wonder is how many of these men are the products of brainwashing and walk right into these horrible situations like the Manchurian Candidate (sans gun)?

Apropos of the title of this post, however doesn’t this go back to what boys are taught at a young age about “chivalry”. Oh I’m sorry, I mean mistaught. I say this because the word “chivalry” originally referred to a code of conduct adhered to by knights  and was not exclusively used to describe a man’s behavior towards a woman the way it is today. In fact, of the 10 rules in the code of chivalry, none refer explicitly to women (the only one that could pertain to women is the law “Thou shalt respect all weakness, and shall constitute thyself the defender of them”).  What seems to have occurred is that the core principle that men because they are stronger and have an obligation to protect the weaker, defenseless female has been morphed into this insane notion that women are these rare delicate little creatures (like an endangered species) we are to protect at all costs, regardless of what their real value is. How did this happen?

 

 

 

[KanyeMGTOWParticipant 5]

Men have gone to two world wars while women stayed behind, i think we’ve earned our right to mind our own business & stay alive in the process.

[EricParticipant 8]

I’m somewhat torn on this issue.

On the one hand, I think that saving a woman from the consequences of her own bad decisions does her as much of an injustice as me. The stripper may have been trying to steal the guy’s car, for all I would have known.

In the case of the café, I would consider risking myself to save others, regardless of gender. I know some MGTOW’s are against military service and, understanding their position, completely respect it. For myself, I grew up in a civilized western culture, and enjoyed the safety and benefit that was paid for in the lives of other citizens.  To not now be willing to risk myself because this society no longer serves my needs, I would consider myself no better than the ethically bipolar women who are driving it toward destruction.

If a woman wants to stand by me and fight, I will die for her in the measure that she would die for me. I will not, however, be commanded by those who are immune to the risk I am expected to embrace. IOW: “Before I salute you, show me your scars”.

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