When White Knights get themselves dead & make things worse.

[Anonymous 12]

On December 15th, 2014 at 09:44am, an Islamic gunman in Sydney, Australia lay siege in a Lindt Cafe (A chocolate shop), taking 18 hostages. The siege ended at 2:44am December 16th when the gunman executed the cafe manager and the Special Operations Group Police (Aussie SWAT) stormed the building, another hostage was killed by a ricocheting bullet.

In the press coverage afterwards there was a lot of criticism about the men in the cafe not doing more, there was an expectation that these men should rush a madman with a gun and save the day even if it meant they might get shot themselves. Of course this would take a great deal of trust and co-ordination among the men as well as luck and a preparedness to die. The Gunman also threatened that he had a bomb attached to his body, one of the main reasons the Police didn’t storm the building earlier, so in effect rushing the Gunman could have resulted in widespread carnage.

5 of the hostages managed to escape 3 of them male as the Gunman drifted in and out of sleep.

So that story and the criticism afterwards made me angry, why are men obliged to put themselves at risk? Sorry for the lengthy lead up to my main point, which is also from Australia.

On 18th June 2007 8:15am, a man was seen arguing with a woman and trying to drag her out of her car. 2 White Knights were nearby and rushed to her aid, the man pulled out a hand gun and shot both of them, hitting one in the head and killing him. He also shot the woman and the other White Knight in the chest. I was at work in Melbourne on this day and the city was shut down, it was like a ghost town while they looked for the man.

This happened in Melbourne’s strip club area, the woman was a stripper, the girlfriend of the gunman who was a bikie. If the 2 White Knights hadn’t rushed in and just alerted the Police he probably never would have reached for his gun, the Police would have stopped them and case closed.

So the price for trying to save a Stripper, a woman who trades on her looks, doesn’t want to do anything constructive with her life except make easy money was dying. The White Knight who was killed was married and had children, so his wife and kids now are minus a father and husband due to him trying to help a stripper. This is not heroism.

The second White Knight who was a Danish tourist was still undergoing treatment and rehabilitation for his injuries 2 years later.

We are not here to put ourselves at risks to protect others and sometimes protecting others makes things worse. I struggle at times with this masculine urge as well but it is not heroic or useful, an exception being if you are saving someone you actually know, love and respect. Someone you know who will do the same for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sydney_hostage_crisis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Melbourne_CBD_shootings

[Anonymous 3]

The only good White Knight is a dead one. F~~~ em.

[ShinyParticipant 2307]

The Sydney Morning Herald ran a feminist reply to the criticism of those men, saying, in brief, “we don’t need men to look out for us”.

And yet, when no-one comes to their aid, it’s a different song entirely…

[sidecarParticipant 35871]

I am not my brother’s keeper.

And I sure as f~~~ ain’t my sister’s keeper.

[Anonymous 12]

Shiny wrote:

The <em class=”d4pbbc-italic”>Sydney Morning Herald ran a feminist reply to the criticism of those men, saying, in brief, “we don’t need men to look out for us”. And yet, when no-one comes to their aid, it’s a different song entirely…

Exactly right. I responded in the papers at the time to a lot of the stories criticizing the men for not being White Knights in the Sydney Lindt Siege, a lot of the commentators were saying “What if it were your mother or daughter and no one helped?!”

My response was “What if your son/father/brother ran to someone’s aid and got killed?” that seemed to shut them up. Usual idiotic hypocrites.

 

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

I lived in a world where people used to give a s~~~ about each other. My early years to teens mostly.

As I grew the law and system changed. People divided, thought of themselves and knew not their neighbours.

The last I have seen of my old world was United 93 but that was because it was clear nobody was going to survive so there was noting to lose.

I live in a world where individuals are ‘self’ and everyone else is ‘other’.

I do not like it … but alas I must live it. My nature is kind, caring and empathetic. These things are now my curse. They binde and restrict me. They stop me becoming a ‘self’. I’m still a human.

I reach out to others by stealth and mgtow.

I can feel love and warmth without shame and can give out what my own soul offers.

I stay silent ‘out there’ and have a good mask.

Would I help ….. white knight?

The case with this biker …. I maybe would have first phoned the cops then gone and approached him …. man to man … and told him to not do this in front of witnesses. Talked … buy time.

I wouldn’t try a physical approach though.

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