What would happen to yes means yes laws if prostitution were legal?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Assume prostitution were legal, and a man pays to have sex.  At that point, after paying for the sex, could it then be considered rape?  You could show a receipt and there would be consideration for a business transaction involved.

So, light of that, if prostitution were legal, then couldn’t man buy a woman a drink to have sex, be considered a business transaction if she agrees to accept the drink in exchange for sex?

In short, I am curious how yes means yes laws hold up if having sex were legally seen as a business transaction.  Actually, couldn’t a guy then take a woman to court, after paying for sex, if he failed to get any sex from her?

I am just wondering “out loud” as it were.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

The law is intended for social engineering not customer service.

When there is an invoice for cooter, then sex should ensue.

When there is a invoice for bourbon, then you are taking advantage of a chemically altered angel that has not carnal intent, but the desire to promote world bliss through the dissemination of happiness, joy, and universal understanding.

Sheesh!

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

you would have to prove that the agreement (verbal contract) was for sex.  Assuming you could, you would only be entitled to damages.  The cost of the drink, maybe you could get the cost of the evening if you got a hotel room for the transaction, condoms or whatever.  I have a feeling that the pro could back out of the deal at any time though so even if you paid her, she would be able to back out and refund your money.  I never pay until after the deed is done anyway.  It’s the only way to ensure you get what you wanted.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Dating and hiring a high-class prostitute are more alike than they are different. These days, the latter is safer and does not cost any more.

Edit: Dating is cast in the rosy light of the social scene from a Jane Austen novel. This is merely so today’s women can preserve the self-delusion that they are not selling themselves for dinner and drinks. Of course they are selling themselves, and they are so thoughtless they aren’t even using it to build up a retirement fund.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

it matters not what paper you have in your hand. A court can throw it out …. and we all know who runs the courts.

That aside …. and not being negative …. for I think prostitutes are the only honest women left ….

should they try and change or retract the contract …… normally A&E or Homacide will be the judge of the deal. Maybe thats why they are mostly honest.

Who knows.

[Anonymous 12]

Prostitution is legal in Australia and other places. It won’t effect the rape laws at all. The powers that be want women to be whores, they want men to pay for sex. What better way to control the population than to have all sexual activity being paid for and taking place in a controlled environment? Better yet they can finally tax and make money off something that can be done for free.

It also adds to the hatred between the genders, especially the hatred of men that women are nurtured and encouraged to have.

A prostitute still has the right to decline sex with a “John” too, but I believe she should provide a refund as well.

 

[v9wlmn8c1982Participant 83]

Under these new ” yes means yes laws”, what if a man pays a prostitute for sex, they have sex, but he didn’t ask her if she wanted to have sex and she didn’t say yes. Although the intentions are obvious, he would still be considered a rapist because she didn’t say yes.

So even in places where prostitution is legal, men still need to be careful.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

v9wlmn8c1982 wrote:

Under these new ” yes means yes laws”, what if a man pays a prostitute for sex, they have sex, but he didn’t ask her if she wanted to have sex and she didn’t say yes. Although the intentions are obvious, he would still be considered a rapist because she didn’t say yes. So even in places where prostitution is legal, men still need to be careful.

So, in short, you are saying what is going to happen would be the opposite of what I was thinking here?  I was thinking that prostitution being legal would enable sex to be treated as a financial transaction, which would require delivery of services for money rendered, so if a guy paid for X, Y, Z to be done with him, and she failed to, it could be a problem, or at least it can be shown that she paid for this, and was agreeable.  But, you are saying yes means yes laws will mean that even prostitution is going to be broken by the law, and a prostitute, after getting money, could claim the man raped her?   Well, if that is true, it looks like men won’t even have a chance at prostitution as a way out.  There will be no outlet for men to have sex, if this is a case.

So, what happens then if then the men is the one no asking, but women have to ask for it, and yes means yes is that the man would say yes to a a woman.  Is that not even going to happen either?  In short, a woman asks a man to have sex, he agrees, and they even have it caught on camera she asked him.  She then can later on say she didn’t want to and he be charged with rape?

On the other side, couldn’t a man end up charging a woman with rape, if she did things and he later on regretted it?

 

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 0]

Prostitution may be legalized, but it will never be cheap and everywhere like it used to be….. not until feminism is around that is

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Then there’s this. They alreay have your countermeasure countered. See how smart the bugs really are? we underestimate them at our peril. “In Sweden, all that chatting could make the young man a criminal. In the fight to stamp out transactional sex, the Swedes have flipped the prostitution paradigm on its head. Here, prostitution is perfectly legal. Women (or men, for that matter) can sell all the sex they want. It’s only illegal for a man — and it’s almost always a man — to pay for it.” http://www.buzzfeed.com/jinamoore/in-sweden-being-a-prostitute-is-legal-but-paying-one-isnt#.lqx7yYVEX

Well, it is appearing the idea of “pump and dump” is going to end up becoming less and less doable over time.  And with that, the PUA community will drift further and further away from MGTOW, as its own thing.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Mango IngawayParticipant 2264]

RoyDal wrote:

This is merely so today’s women can preserve the self-delusion that they are not selling themselves for dinner and drinks.

Come on Roy, we all know that getting p~~~ drunk in a bar and getting f~~~ed by some also-drunk guy because he bought you 5 martini c~~~tails is the epitome of romantism. /lawl

Also, there are places where prostitution is legal.

Didn’t change s~~~.

It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

go to thailand.  i’m going there next month and have several women lined up for hook-ups.  if those don’t work out, there are tons of other options available.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[Anonymous 12]

Then there’s this. They alreay have your countermeasure countered. See how smart the bugs really are? we underestimate them at our peril.

“In Sweden, all that chatting could make the young man a criminal. In the fight to stamp out transactional sex, the Swedes have flipped the prostitution paradigm on its head. Here, prostitution is perfectly legal. Women (or men, for that matter) can sell all the sex they want. It’s only illegal for a man — and it’s almost always a man — to pay for it.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jinamoore/in-sweden-being-a-prostitute-is-legal-but-paying-one-isnt#.lqx7yYVEX

That’s interesting. In Australia you can walk into certain shops and buy a bong and other drug paraphernalia but you can’t legally buy the dope or drugs to go with it. Seems like the same logic at work in Sweden.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Speaking from an American perspective at least, the way things are, I believe the generally accepted social norms they want out of men is for them to NOT be with prostitutes, only have sex in marriage, not getting divorces, and having kids and raising them up to be decent adults.  All these issues with the laws being seen here, and the blocking one night stands, pump and dump, no prostitutes, divorce as hell (end result is it is financially like you have a wife, but she isn’t there) is to try to push men into being married and being normal, taking away burdens from society and being productive.  They have breaks put out there to reward complying with this.  So, do anything not in this, particularly related to sex, and you are playing with fire.

Anyhow, just my take on it.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 0]

Every human being has the right to use their body according to their will. If a sex worker would want to rent out her body in exchange of money, then fine. Everyone, who is legally employed, has minimum rights and entitlements given by law. And since sex workers don’t work legally, they have no rights. My friend is working in this industry in http://uk.worldescortmap.com/ and it’s harder as it seems.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Anonymous wrote:

Every human being has the right to use their body according to their will. If a sex worker would want to rent out her body in exchange of money, then fine. Everyone, who is legally employed, has minimum rights and entitlements given by law. And since sex workers don’t work legally, they have no rights. My friend is working in this industry in http://uk.worldescortmap.com/ and it’s harder as it seems.

If the legal system is going to screw things up, then that becomes difficult.  If you are doing things that only involve you, you can do a lot.  The moment you becomes involved with anyone else, then it gets very tricky and it no longer only about your body, which is a kicker.  Throw in human trafficking and women being forced into it, and it gets to be a whole big mess.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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