What will be the fall of the MGTOW community?

[Sessna12Participant 119]

MGTOW IS FIRE

FEMINISM IS GASOLINE

 

Sebastian

"We can no more stop him from marrying than we can stop him from making a well researched decision to poke his eyes out with a stick."
-Sidecar

[mgtow_85Participant 752]

bigboy83 wrote:

Mgtow is not going to fall! It’s not a movement, revolution, there’s not even a leader. How can you go after something that you can’t see? The members can increase or decrease but it will remain in society. I’ll give you analogy, we are like the Russians in World War 1, we drop our weapons and walking away from the fight, the Russian officers (women) are trying to shoot us in the back so we return to the battlefield (plantation). We MGTOW are saying, screw it!

I consider MGTOW to be more like the Polish Resistance from 1939 to 1945.

Germans hated being stationed with the Occupation forces in Poland. There was no telling what might happen to them if they didn’t happen to be in a unit bigger than squad size. The Resistance executed many Gestapo/SS/army units there. They blew up/derailed trains full of reinforcements going to the Russian front, made life a living hell for the Nazis, and they ended up controlling vast areas of the countryside while the Nazis tried to stay in the big cities, and even there, the Germans weren’t guaranteed their safety.

The Resistance didn’t need a field army to kick the Nazis’ asses. They did it in their own way by sabotaging the Occupation in small groups, and did it so many f~~~ing times, the Nazis had to keep large numbers of troops in Poland when they were desperately needed elsewhere.

MGTOW doesn’t need a field army to defeat the feminists. They’re already panicking like Chicken Little and squawking about how the sky is falling and admitting defeat just because a small group of men numbering less than 25 percent of all single men are making them look bad…and staying single…by choosing to do absolutely NOTHING but to live our own lives women-free.

And no government legislation is EVER going to be able to pass into law a paper that says, “all men must marry women or face prison sentences”.

They can badmouth MGTOW all they want, but we have already won, and we are getting stronger.

[RennieParticipant]

If it did it would likely occur within individual communities and caused by the usual suspects(WK/Manginas) going unchallenged. That’s why it’s important to make sure those kind of people don’t take root in a community like this. They are an invasive species that can cause alot of trouble.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Sessna12 wrote:

MGTOW IS FIRE

FEMINISM IS GASOLINE

That’s perfection.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[BlackPillParticipant 319]

Keymaster wrote:

BlackPill wrote:

i am talking about the community as in forums and online discussion

THEY should have themselves deleted. Look at this s~~~: http://time.com/3631350/men-are-idiots-new-study-says/ You hear that? TIME says “Men are idiots”. Women think the same thing. <iframe src=”https://www.youtube.com/embed/8cjuvnVBzlo?feature=oembed” width=”500″ height=”281″ frameborder=”0″ allowfullscreen=””></iframe> They think we’re all f~~~ing stupid too. /video/wendy-williams-teaches-women-to-trap-men-into-fatherhood/ So you and we talk about it, discuss it openly, point out the f~~~ing problem, make SURE they don’t get away with it and educate other men…. so how are WE the problem? We’re not the problem. THEY are the problem. THEY are f~~~ing stupid and wrong. Thinking she is “smarter” is every woman’s hubris. /audio/gold-digger/ “Men are idiots and take idiotic risks?”. Breaking the sound barrier was an “idiotic risk” and MS. Chuck Jeager thought her test pilot husband was a f~~~ing idiot for going up there with a broken rib that day – but he did it anyway. And guess what. Supersonic space flight was born. HE did it. SHE did not . You don’t go underground. You stick your middle finger right in their faces. “Men are idiots” is the ONLY reason women have a f~~~ing toilet to crap in. If it weren’t for men being “idiots” women would still be squatting over a hole in the dark. A convenient detail TIME magazine forgot to mention. All this s~~~ CULTIVATES MGTOW. It’s where MGTOW comes from. They should have EXPECTED it. When a woman holds a microphone up to her arrogant ass face and says “men are idiots”……an army of men should have barged in there, ripped the microphone from their hands, pulled the chairs out from under them, and shut off the lights . Because no woman created the microphone, build those chairs or installed the lights. “Men are idiots” for allowing women to get away with that s~~~. But men are also geniuses for it. Let women sit on their fat asses and pretend they are “smarter”. It’s all they have, really. A fat ass and a totally distorted view of themselves. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1213212/The-ego-epidemic-more-inflated-sense-fabulousness.html They don’t get to have a *problem* with men who discuss this in a forum or online discussion. They CREATED the problem they have a problem with.

I totally agree with you, but even though we know this is the truth, not everyone else does and believes quite the opposite actually.  We are the minorities in this world.  They clearly have laws bent in their favor which gives them more (perceived?) power.  They can probably fukk our s~~~ up just off of pures numbers if they banded and went after us hard.  Yes mgtow is a philosophy, but the internet and the red pill messages did much more for me and provided more information than I could probably draw myself.  It helps spread the message, but I forsee the expression of our thoughts becoming deafened….silenced…..maybe even banned?

If that happens, we need to have “food + water + shelter”  MGTOW posts in real life

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

BlackPill wrote:

While our reputation isn’t my primary concern, it definitely helps spread the message and convert more guys into MGTOWS if it wasn’t constantly tarnished.

Feminists and other gynocentrists attempting to smear MGTOW will drive far more men to MGTOW than it will convince to shy away. MGTOW is a reaction to gynocentric excess, and the more excessive they are, the more men will react by Going Their Own Way. And even if feminists somehow do “tarnish” the MGTOW “reputation”, it won’t accomplish anything, because they will only be tarnishing it in front of other feminists and gynocentrists.

Most MGTOW are MGTOW long before they ever even hear about MGTOW. How can feminism damage the reputation to them of something they’ve never even heard of? These men have developed their own ideas about Going Your Own Way all on their own based on their own astute observation that society women only wants them as a utility and will dispose of them as soon as they’ve been bled dry. They’ve already decided to walk the f~~~ away from all that. Only then do they discover MGTOW, which doesn’t convince them to go their own way, they’re already convinced, but merely lets them know THEY ARE NOT ALONE.

For feminism to smear MGTOW to them they would have to first let them know MGTOW exists, and merely knowing MGTOW exists, knowing that they are not alone in the knowledge they’ve been given a raw deal by our gynocentric society, is enough to being MGTOW to MGTOW. We don’t have to proselytize MGTOW; we merely have to be here when men find their own way here. In other words, for MGTOW there truly is no such thing as bad publicity.

Feminism’s best, most sensible option is ignoring MGTOW, but when was the last time you heard of a feminist being sensible?

As long as feminism and gynocentrism exist, so too will MGTOW. The only thing that will ever end MGTOW is the end of gynocentrism.

[Anonymous 42]

Trying to control men is like trying to hold down helium in a burlap bag! We’re rising at a rate none other than phenomenal! If MGTOW were stocks, I would have purchased all I could on my first day of discovery! I just knew I had to join and help secure it’s future.

When I joined we were a good sapling with strong roots, now we’re a tree giving shade to those men still wandering in the deserts of feminism. Without a doubt this is only the beginning. I thank and commend all the men that made their voices of disgust be heard on a multi continental level.

In the future men will become more and more MGTOW as they abandon the gynocentric bulls~~~!

Can you say
Sequoioideae?(Red Wood)

[MochaParticipant 90]

Keymaster wrote:

There it is ^^. MGTOW is an IDEA. It only takes an idea to change the world, and you can’t *delete* an IDEA.

 

Ideas evolve. That’s what happened to the other MGTOW forum. Ideas drove the community apart. MGTOW will be irrelevant when new, better ideas are found and spread. Ideas evolve.

 

Language also evolves. Feminists love to change the meaning of words, like rape, to fit their agenda. The acronym MGTOW could be hijacked from us. But that won’t destroy the community, per se. Just the fall of the “MGTOW community”.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Mocha wrote:

Ideas evolve. That’s what happened to the other MGTOW forum. Ideas drove the community apart. MGTOW will be irrelevant when new, better ideas are found and spread. Ideas evolve.

MGTOW is not going anywhere.

I might be inclined to agree with you if the MGTOW concept wasn’t already centuries old. The earliest in-print reference we have from a newspaper is 1853 – using the EXACT words “Men Going Their Own Way”. We have 12 more through late 1800s post WWI and WWII and mid 1900’s. These are actual hard copy news cutouts & quotes. At war time, they were considered the “men that refused to fight”…. (and in those days that meant “coward”). Non participants and non-subscribers to social norms and sociological ideals. They were the geniuses who said “NO the world is f~~~ing ROUND you idiots… and the Earth is not the Center of the Universe and I will prove it now”.

• Galileo was a MGTOW in EVERY way.
• You could even argue Jesus Christ was a MGTOW.
• Einstein’s marriage contract (terms) was MGTOW to the core.

The church tried to shut down Galileo, to have him exiled and sentenced to death – while being ordered never to speak about it again.

But was he WRONG????

The Earth is not the center of the Universe. And they are going to have to accept it. Shutting a MGTOW down won’t make the Earth flat again – ever. You understand? MGTOW is not the problem. THEY are the problem. You can’t “change the idea” that the world is round. You can’t change the idea that E-MC2. You can’t change the idea that the Earth is not the center of the universe. It will never evolve. It is there forever. And that’s how it will remain. As long as there are Men…. there will ALWAYS be “Men Going Their Own Way”. MGTOW are much too interested in the pursuit of absolute truth and you cannot obliterate it. It’s impossible.

MGTOW is not going anywhere.

MGTOW 1853

MGTOW 1856

MGTOW 1886

MGTOW 1889

MGTOW 1897

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[MochaParticipant 90]

Clearly, you’re right that it’s hard to improve on an idea as simple and powerful as men going their own way, individualism, freedom, contrarianism, libertarianism, etc.

 

But it’s already happened in the year this forum has been around. We’ve collectively agreed that married men cannot be MGTOW. People in the MGTOW community are already pushing for other refinements. It’s true, the idea that the Earth is round hasn’t changed but our understanding of that idea has become far more detailed and accurate. Think of google maps, or the knowledge of the earth having more than one “moon”, Lagrange points in orbit, satellites hurtling on the edge of space. This is all directly related to our understanding of the Red Pill, Hypergamy, the Sexual Marketplace, Gynocentrism, the wisdom of ancient icons like Medusa (seeing the true face of a woman will turn a man’s heart to stone) or Eve (woman is the cause of man’s troubles), the knowledge of female traitors like Esthar Villar and Ayn Rand. Not to mention the adaptations required to survive changes in social mores, scientific discoveries, and laws like the pick up culture, female birth control and dna testing, and the tender years doctrine and no fault divorce.

 

That is what I meant. Sorry for the wall of text.

 

As for the irrelevance of MGTOW, I mean only our current understanding of MGTOW will become irrelevant. Much like Eratosthenes first measurement of the earth at 39,690 km (1.6% error) is now irrelevant to the current accepted measurement of 40,074.3 km.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Great avatar, by the way. I love seeing it here and there.

“Married men are MGTOW”… “Alexandra Blue is MGTOW”…. “Diana Davidson is MGTOW”… “Paula Shelamb and his live-in skag are MGTOW”….

It’s all comedy.

MGTOW is so simple it its fundamental premise and the premise is unwavering. As soon as you expand on those sentences on our about page, you run into problems… MGTOW VS PIGTOW… AVFM VS MGTOW….. Women can join MGTOW….. Sandman is MGTOW but “you’re all f~~~ing cowards until you stop whining and get over it”…. it’s all a bunch of horses~~~. It’s MEN. GOING. THEIR. OWN. WAY. And it doesn’t mean anything else.

Marriage means sharing your life with your beloved wife – it will never mean MGTOW. There are no “if you have t~~~ you can still join MGTOW” conditions and special exceptions. It’s a t~~~ free zone and it’s not negotiable.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Mocha wrote:

We’ve collectively agreed that married men cannot be MGTOW.

Not because we agreed.

Because that’s what those words mean. It’s Men (not women, not girls, not marrying mangina chumps, not alpacas) Going (not staying, certainly not paying to stay) Their (not women’s, not society’s, not religion’s) Own (not shared with a wife, not shared with society) Way (on a definite path, not hanging around without direction just taking the same old crap).

Getting married is incompatible with Going Your Own Way, by definition. Cohabitating is incompatible with Going Your Own Way, by definition. Trapping yourself with child support or alimony is incompatible with Going Your Own Way, by definition.

Feminists will rape the language, lying about the meanings of words, even simple words like “equality”, to try to make an argument by false semantics where they can’t with facts or reason. Those fools at A Voice For Men Donations are stupid enough to think they can beat feminists at that same game, trying to redefine words to suit themselves.

MGTOW don’t.

MGTOW say exactly what they mean. MGTOW are exactly what it says.

Oh, and for the record, married men can actually Go Their Own Way. By getting divorced.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Keymaster wrote:

Interesting topic! It “feels like”…. is not the same as reality. “Seems”, “feels like”, “I tend to think”… are all speculation.

Do you think we will eventually move even more underground?

Why? We just posted a clip from the mainstream film “City Slickers” on the homepage and compared it EXACTLY to a MGHOW’s lifestyle choice.

Curly made the front page finally! Awesome!

/video/one-thing/

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

MGTOW functions and networks right, there is nothing that can be done to it, because it will be like punching sand.  About the only area I can see there being a problem is different MGTOW ending up dividing over this issue and that and considering something a killer issue to divide over.  But, even then, a MGTOW can go it alone, because a chunk of being MGTOW is going it alone (particularly if there aren’t other options).

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

yeah I posted that notice in another thread informing you a couple of days ago. We finally got a high quality HD version of the scene (the others were really sucky on youtube) but you know we will get around to it eventually. Thanks for that. It definitely deserves to be archived as a great example. Was fascinating to discover the RED (pill) SCARF and BLUE (pill) HAT symbolism in that. Wonder if it had some meaning when they filmed it – or if it’s just a coincidence.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Keymaster wrote:

yeah I posted that notice in another thread informing you a couple of days ago. We finally got a high quality HD version of the scene (the others were really sucky on youtube) but you know we will get around to it eventually. Thanks for that. It definitely deserves to be archived as a great example. Was fascinating to discover the RED (pill) SCARF and BLUE (pill) HAT symbolism in that. Wonder if it had some meaning when they filmed it – or if it’s just a coincidence.

Ahh, so THAT is why you liked it.  RED scarf vs BLUE hat :-).  I didn’t even notice it until you wrote it there.

Actually, outside of what happened in politics in America, Red was usually the color of change, and Blue was safe.  It is possible the creators of the film went with that, with Curly representing the wild west, and Billy Crystal’s character being the norm (city).  So, it is likely redpill vs bluepill also gets its origins from that to.

So, do we do a WWCD T-Shirt thing and so on?  Instead of What Would Jesus Do (good in its own right to ask, from my take), it is What Would Curly Do?  (As a MGTOW thing :-)).

As for now, considering how things are picking up, posted a few days ago is now like page 5 on this forum here.  It gets buried fast.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 42]

Mocha wrote:

We’ve collectively agreed that married men cannot be MGTOW.

Hey Mocha, I disagree, Men planning their escape that are now married are definitely MGTOW, they are awoken the facts and make decisive moves for advantage, position, and eventual escape. All others are gynofused by governmental matrimony and it’s myriad of laws and mandates that empower women to destroy the family, men, and children. It’s a 50 year+ slaughter on this society they continue to ignore at their own demise…

Will feminism ever correct it’s self? No, a false ideology can only produce more molestations than it’s original charter. That’s what we’re witnessing throughout the Western civilizations.

Women have destroyed their own identity, one I have no clue of, I’m not a woman and can’t reprogram one (all give’a’f~~~s exhausted).

When they attempt to lower me to their ever falling standards in the abyss of their mass confusion, it only hardens my resolve to keep my identity and build it up even stronger, I’m like Ur 238 being bombarded in a breeder reactor and transformed to MGTOW Pl 239! They can’t handle me without being burned by their own radiation!  \

 

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Anonymous wrote:

Mocha wrote:

We’ve collectively agreed that married men cannot be MGTOW.

Hey Mocha, I disagree, Men planning their escape that are now married are definitely MGTOW, they are awoken the facts and make decisive moves for advantage, position, and eventual escape. All others are gynofused by governmental matrimony and it’s myriad of laws and mandates that empower women to destroy the family, men, and children. It’s a 50 year+ slaughter on this society they continue to ignore at their own demise… Will feminism ever correct it’s self? No, a false ideology can only produce more molestations than it’s original charter. That’s what we’re witnessing throughout the Western civilizations. Women have destroyed their own identity, one I have no clue of, I’m not a woman and can’t reprogram one (all give’a’f~~~s exhausted). When they attempt to lower me to their ever falling standards in the abyss of their mass confusion, it only hardens my resolve to keep my identity and build it up even stronger, I’m like Ur 238 being bombarded in a breeder reactor and transformed to MGTOW Pl 239! They can’t handle me without being burned by their own radiation! \

Would it be better to say a man who is MGTOW doesn’t marry?  I think that would be a better definition.  Men can find MGTOW, and start working in it while married.  The marriage is likely to end up dying as a result, but it is likely a corpse if he is considering MGTOW.

I should add here, to the thread in general, that the only thing I can see really being a threat to MGTOW would be another label that works better than MGTOW.  In short, something supplants MGTOW as a label that works better.  You see MGTOW gaining traction over the Men’s Rights Movement, because it has worked better.  And you see Neo-Masculinity not going anywhere.

Maybe all of a sudden women get better, and there is a flood of women who are more appropriate for what men want.  BUT, once MGTOW shows ways to be unmarried and single, and men who go it are able to thrive and proper and society has to cope with it as a demographic group, nothing is going to supplant it at all.  A thing about MGTOW is that it is based on NOT doing things mainly, and not doing is easier than trying to do things, like go out and date and so on.  Inaction beats action.  Only thing that beats inaction is an inner drive to do something, and MGTOW does a good job undermining lies on how things can be better for men, all they need to do is try yet another dating site and it will work better.  A MGTOW with a life, isn’t going need to get into the dating area the way the world wants them to.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[ImAMenber12Participant 73]

When the government (i.e. women) destroy MGTOW, men will have no option but to rise up against them. Or just go our own way physically, opt out of society due to the f~~~ed upess levels being too high. We will likely all ghost.

[Anonymous 42]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

Would it be better to say a man who is MGTOW doesn’t marry? I think that would be a better definition. Men can find MGTOW, and start working in it while married. The marriage is likely to end up dying as a result, but it is likely a corpse if he is considering MGTOW.

I think the crux of marriage are the laws that enable women to take advantage of men. A marriage license should not give a woman the right to summons the state for male extermination from the family then enslaving him for support. Women functioned much better when they relied on a man and not the state. There was a time before all these laws controlled men, when men controlled women. We’re light years past those days and likely to never return without a mass die-off and loss of technology.

The world men created has been transformed into man’s worst enemy, Marry a woman, you marry the state!

A mans word means nothing to the state, they can marry you against your will if you’re with a woman long enough! F~~~ that! The gynocentric snowflake state has ruined any kind of reasonable cohabitation, forcing a man to either be celibate, or a f~~~ and dump KING!

The state will have to cease to exist before it’s a danger to MGTOW.

 

 

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