What is the real value of MONEY?

[stopmockingmanParticipant 441]

MONEY has shaped this entire world, despite the humans in it.
The ultimate control of your entire being, is money.
Without money, you are not a player in this world.
WOW, how true that is.
That means YOU are MONEY.
Become money, cling to it, use it wisely, do not share it.
Wise Words, from the Master.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Money is a lot more convenient than bartering ever could have been. It really is an instrument we used to shape our world.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Money is nothing more than a symbolic representation of the value a person creates and the time they spend creating it.

If someone other than you is collecting the vast majority of your value or time, I can see how you would be angered by this situation but it has nothting to do with money, rather with your choices regarding self-education, employment and the dispensation of your time and energies.

If you want more money, you can take one of the following ethical actions:

1) Work more hours to produce a larger amount of value to exchange for money
2) Improve the value you produce so that you can earn more money per hour or work fewer hours for the same amount of money
3) Spend less of your money on things you do not want or which do not bring you personal enjoyment
4) Create opportunities for other people to create value and retain a portion of the value they create for yourself

Or one of the following unethical actions:

1) Misrepresent the value you create in order to cheat others out of their value
2) Misappropriate the value that other people produce for yourself
3) Cajole or coerce other people into giving you money for value you have not created

Or you may take one of the following ineffective actions:

1) Complain about not having money
2) Get angry at people who take any of the abovementioned steps
3) Blame money for your inability or lack of will to produce value

[BigDParticipant 3024]

Are we talking money or currency? There is a difference.

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

BigD wrote:

Are we talking money or currency? There is a difference.

I think we are talking money in general, be it sea shells, tobacco, gold, currency or other instruments.
I have had numerous discussions throughout my life with people who blame money as the reason for their problems, and I always asked them: ‘Do you think that your problems would go away if all the money in the world magically disappeared tomorrow?’
Needless to say, they never answered since they couldn’t reconcile the thought in their own head. Of course not. Money is just a tool. A very important tool, but a tool.
Personally I think it was humanity’s greatest invention.

See Francisco’s monologue on money from Atlas Shrugged:
Money

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

BigD wrote:

Are we talking money or currency? There is a difference.

Using the commonly accepted definitions, currency is simply a physical (or virtual) representation of money. The difference between them is that the money value (purchasing power) of currency can be changed through inflation and deflation whereas the underlying money value of the commodity, product or service one is using the currency to pay for) remains unchanged.

In this regard, gold can be both currency and money, based on the assumption that the purchasing power of gold remains constant (though I disagree as there are mining output factors as well as decorative and functional demands for gold that do change it’s supply and value). It would be more realistic to say that a pound of flour is money, though crop yields and changes to milling facilities may effect it’s value as well. To tell the truth, there is no product or service that maintains constant value so truly I would say there is no such thing as money. Both money (the value of things) and currency (the representational form of that value) can be created and destroyed by actions, beliefs and changing conditions beyond human control.

It’s been my experience that people who have a problem with the concept of money are not, themselves, producing very much value in the world.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

I see money as opportunity. The more money you have the more opportunities you have. Balance that with the opportunity cost of spending the money. If you have money, you can spend it on anything you want, but as soon as you spend it, the cost is everything else you could have spent it on but chose not to. I guess I really was meant to be an accountant!!

Suddenly the phrase “You can’t have your cake and eat it too” makes perfect sense………..

Order the good wine

[stopmockingmanParticipant 441]

We are talking money.
The real value of it is that YOU EARNED IT! YOU are money, money is YOU. Women know that.
Please realize this- at 20 years of age, you have about 1000 paychecks coming to you, payable biweekly.
At age 40, there are 400 paychecks left to go, approximately.
SOBBERING, isn’t it? You have a finite time to gather money.
Money is a tool, like a saw is a tool, a tool used properly gets things done.
Question is what needs to be done?
Pick the one suitable to you below-
(a) Married- it goes to her, the children, her dreams, her wishes and her desires, many narcissistic and selfish. You play second fiddle to what she wants.
(b) MGTOW- hey, the sky is the limit. INDULGE your most precious and important dreams!

I use to worry about money, because I had no control over wifey spending it.
Now, I control it, and life is so much better.

[BigDParticipant 3024]

stopmockingman wrote:

We are talking money.The real value of it is that YOU EARNED IT! YOU are money, money is YOU. Women know that.Please realize this- at 20 years of age, you have about 1000 paychecks coming to you, payable biweekly.At age 40, there are 400 paychecks left to go, approximately.SOBBERING, isn’t it? You have a finite time to gather money.Money is a tool, like a saw is a tool, a tool used properly gets things done.Question is what needs to be done?Pick the one suitable to you below-(a) Married- it goes to her, the children, her dreams, her wishes and her desires, many narcissistic and selfish. You play second fiddle to what she wants.(b) MGTOW- hey, the sky is the limit. INDULGE your most precious and important dreams!
I use to worry about money, because I had no control over wifey spending it.Now, I control it, and life is so much better.

Then by this we have all been fooled. All countries at this time use a fiat currency, which is not money. However, you can exchange such currency for money, like precious metals. Our time is worth so much fiat currency for work provided during that time.

However, I agree with what you are getting at. You can accumulate more currency, money, and/or stuff by being MGTOW. That is probably one of the biggest points of MGTOW is that our work and time doesn’t go to a magic vagina, but stays with whom earned it.

To quote a smarter man than I, “Understand your definitions and what they truly mean. It can mean the difference between a life of enslavement and a life of freedom.”

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Gold isn’t money, it’s just another form of currency that is harder to devalue than coinage or paper currency.

Money is just as much a concept as currency is… it’s the notion of stored value. Pretty much the only thing that is really money is the good will and gratitude of trustworthy friends. If I help you move, I have created value (your gratitude and indebtedness) which I can then call on when it’s my turn to move. Assuming you are a good friend and trustworthy person, that stored value will never depreciates but instead increases over time.

So my point is that no material good can actually be considered money as they all are subject to inflation, depreciation, evaporation or degradation… but a trustworthy individual and the value we invest in them through the friendship and love we exchange only grows and appreciates over time.

In short, only people can create value and it can only be stored in relationships. Good people are money.

[Anonymous 12]

Stargazer wrote:

Money is nothing more than a symbolic representation of the value a person creates and the time they spend creating it.
If someone other than you is collecting the vast majority of your value or time, I can see how you would be angered by this situation but it has nothting to do with money, rather with your choices regarding self-education, employment and the dispensation of your time and energies.
If you want more money, you can take one of the following ethical actions:
1) Work more hours to produce a larger amount of value to exchange for money2) Improve the value you produce so that you can earn more money per hour or work fewer hours for the same amount of money3) Spend less of your money on things you do not want or which do not bring you personal enjoyment4) Create opportunities for other people to create value and retain a portion of the value they create for yourself
Or one of the following unethical actions:
1) Misrepresent the value you create in order to cheat others out of their value2) Misappropriate the value that other people produce for yourself3) Cajole or coerce other people into giving you money for value you have not created
Or you may take one of the following ineffective actions:
1) Complain about not having money2) Get angry at people who take any of the abovementioned steps3) Blame money for your inability or lack of will to produce value

The part I made bold tends to be the route women choose.

[stopmockingmanParticipant 441]

Money has value, as shelter has value, men usually have a surplus and give some away.
Anger leaves, wealth accumulations usually stays, I love my new life.
I have a pension for life, and I have wealth, and money, and real people that love me.
Cheers.

[alchemistParticipant 484]

Doc Fenderson … I like the way you think 🙂

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Money is useless.

Eryxias

[ScandinavianParticipant 590]

I’m mostly with Doc on this one. Money/currency is a liquid method of pricing your time and effort. And in fiat-currency it is only what we collectively believe it is. If I won the lottery and got a couple of millions I would convert it into real estate or metals in a day or two.

[Biggvs_DickvsParticipant 3725]

Money would be fine if not for the fact that some people get to create it out of nothing, to sculpt the world as they see fit. While everyone else must make themselves useful to this cabal of currency creation. Angry? Yes, and it’s a righteous and proper anger, based on thorough analysis, not sloganeering based on the protestant work ethic.

True dat. Once we gave the power to coin new monies to a privately controlled institution that then only lends it to its shareholders (at near-zro rates), we truly gave up being a nation governed by the people. OTOH, when I look at the intelligence of the average ‘murrican and realize that give the chance, would likely vote over and over again to print more and more money until the dollar was hyperinflated to worthlessness, I do wonder if we aren’t better off.

"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,

[HeadstrongParticipant 84]

Sry if i am going offtopic.
Im trying im trying. or not.. the money thing, i honestly don’t know what to do to get some. i mean i know how things work, but i can’t get things flowing. I am helping people and people help me and that is how i get my belly full, and only that is almost worth more than money. I must make a bargaining point or a breakthru soon or i have to move to another planet, but it seemingly never comes around. I don’t know donald duck’s uncle..

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Stargazer wrote:

Money is nothing more than a symbolic representation of the value a person creates and the time they spend creating it.

If someone other than you is collecting the vast majority of your value or time, I can see how you would be angered by this situation but it has nothting to do with money, rather with your choices regarding self-education, employment and the dispensation of your time and energies.

etc…

Doc is spot on. Essentially what money boils down to is a representation of work/value that is in a convenient medium able to be exchanged.

Let’s make it simple:
Say you have worked to grow a tomato plant from a seedling and have it now producing fruit after months of tending to its needs and spent resources such as water and food for it. Imagine now if a complete stranger came by and wanted the fruit you grew, and explained that he can give you something in return of equal value. You are willing to trade because you still have other tomatoes, but you sure as hell aren’t going to give away food you worked to produce.

There are a few ways to handle this:
– Barter, if he has an item on him you find of equal value and he is willing to trade such as a cut of meat/cheese for a tomato.
– Trade for service of his work, such as him offering to repair a vehicle or electrical problem you may have because he can provide his work.
– Or Trade for something of value you can easily trade elsewhere such as money.

The last option of money fills in the gaps of trade. Historically no one ever really knows what you would like in return for your goods or work that you can produce nor vice versa. You go to work for money, hence your work is represented in money.

The form money takes tends to be commodities in high demand. To make it simple though historically it has been timelessly agreed upon to take the form of units of gold and silver due to the ease it is to trade them.

I gets messy with currency which tends to be historically abused by the state such as now with the value of our currency being abused making wages unequal to the cost of living and the rich getting richer and poor getting poorer. Marxists/socialists/statists never can pinpoint what is going wrong and can never produce actual results to correct it.

[atlasParticipant 285]

See Francisco’s monologue on money from Atlas Shrugged

Spot on, John Woods. Was thinking precisely the same.

“We are on strike, we, the men of the mind. We are on strike against self-immolation. We are on strike against the creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. We are on strike against the dogma that the pursuit of one's happiness is evil. We are on strike against the doctrine that life is guilt.”

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