What is the end game of the government cracking down on E cigs?

[anonymousyamParticipant 4605]

I consider myself redpilled in manner topics but i just cannot get my finger fully on the government regulations against vaping and other forms of electronic cigarettes.

I get the war on tobacco which is being waged by the purtian f~~~wads who in turn increase the smoking age (so a legal adult cannot buy cigarettes till the age of 21) and increase the taxes and the price of cigarettes (so a pack that is worth 3 to 5 bucks becomes 7 to even 14 bucks) but what i do not understand is the war against vaping.

The closet thing i can come up with is that the Puritan f~~~wads are in a war against fun as they hate other people enjoying their lives. These same Puritans would ban Cigarettes or Alcohol if they could but the result always is failure so since they cannot rid the world of the evils of drugs they simply punish the users of them and rid the world of any loopholes around them (such as rolling your own cigarettes or as i have mentioned vaping).

That is why cigarettes are 7 plus dollars a pack and why the smoking age raises from 18 to 19 to 21 along with other things. If people are enjoying their lives there should be a punishment for it because the Puritans do not enjoy life.

And finally as my last opinion on this i think socialist medicine has a part in this issue since if the government provides your health care they tax you to death to compensate for it. Just like in Australia were cigarettes are 20 plus dollars a pack but in Japan they average 3 to 4 dollars a pack.

If you force the government to pay for health care, taxes will increase and eventually after the smokers are dealt with then the taxes will target junk food more as they become the new drain on the system (instead of just letting everyone pay their own way in healthcare).

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[Anonymous 6]

E-Cigs are probably eating into the profit margin of these big tobacco companies. So they floated a little money to Congress and Congress takes care of it.

I hate how uneducated people are in this country, that they believe the government is supposed to take care of them. NO!! Strange how, when you get the government out of the way, things improve dramatically. Government is not the solution, government is the problem. The less government the better. Government and taxpayers should not be paying for half of the stuff we pay for, but we can’t stop now, because too many people are depended on it. Going cold turkey would start an uproar. Now it wouldn’t be a big uproar, but the MSM will make it seem like it.

[anonymousyamParticipant 4605]

Anonymous wrote:

E-Cigs are probably eating into the profit margin of these big tobacco companies. So they floated a little money to Congress and Congress takes care of it.

I get the idea of it but the evidence does not fully match up as the cigarette companies make far more of a profit when cigarettes are cheaper to the public as when cigarettes are cheaper more people smoke.

Raising cigarette prices and ages on the packs helps the black market thrive more then the cigarette companies as they have enough bulls~~~ to deal with (cigarette companies are forced to pay for anti smoking ads).

Just like in the 20’s with the Mafia and alcohol.

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[Old BuckParticipant 3596]

Regulate to gain control. Once you control it you tax it. When it cant pay you take it.

Same thing IMF does to other countries.

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[scorched_throwawayParticipant 34]

governments taxing what they attempt to control, is their game..

problem is, taxing cigarettes, was a limited game.. there were only so many companies to chide.. aside of the detractors, guv creates the narrative/fear, push laws, then control/tax..

vaping is a different beast all together..

most nicotine, used in juices, comes from vegetables.. about all they can argue are health/age implications, then regulate/tax, just the nicotine.. (which is far less tax wise than tobacco products)..

given this, any chemist can derive all the raw ingredients, where the consumer can create the actual product..

nicotine is already controlled and while guvs do tax, they aren’t able to strong arm these low level companies/entities, the same, as they did tobacco..

so what’s left.. justify the banning of..

keep the larger tax base, (tobacco), in place..

it does seem, the rhetoric is pushing, this direction.. ..however, i do not believe they will be successful..

let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt..

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22507]

The veneer of regulation/safety with the reality of ecigs paying them because they aren’t under the tobacco taxes.

Now, some vendors went to places for s~~~ty batteries that exploded. But the beginning established ecig makers were fine. My mom used them for awhile and got a pefrectly fine unit.

But this whole thing is about ecigs bypassing tobacco taxes, and also being able to be smoked in places that don’t allow cigarettes. They just used the safety issue to go after payments from them.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

It’s all about money, simple as that. The more people start vaping, the less money they bring in from tobacco sales. When I started smoking tobacco, at the age of 17, I paid around 5,50 gulden (old Dutch currency, which would directly translate to € 2,50) for a packet of 50 grams. Today, I pay 4 times as much! In only 16 years time! 75% of that has to be excise and it’s insane.

Sure “we care for your health”, I completely believe you when you’re in an uproar about e-cigs. F~~~ you, government.

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[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

In canada, the gov taxes the s~~~ out of cigarettes and makes money off of people’s vices. They say this tax is to discourage smoking, but that’s bulls~~~. Now vaping is a threat to that tax revenue and big brother won’t have it. Can’t tax it under the guise of discouraging bad health choices because it’s not as bad as cigarettes and I know many people who used it to quit.

The other issue is bho (butane hash oil). No color and no odor but gets you high. People use ecigs to smoke it. Drug sniffing dogs can’t smell it and it is too easy to take across borders. Can’t stop the bho so they’re banning the device.

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[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Idea of the regular cigarette tax, and restrictions on where to smoke, is driven to force people to quit smoking. eCigs throw a wrench in the government initiative, so there is the desire by many forces for the government to do something about it. They aren’t sure what to do about it. Government folks can’t fathom that the market would engineer solutions around their restrictions.

For myself, I would like to see that eCigs are safe and have them as a way to vape vitamins and actually be healthy, to totally throw everyone off.

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[narrow road travelerParticipant 1680]

Any pass time that is primarily consumed by men. Is public enemy no.1. The professional complainers receive enough compensation to drive a luxury vehicle tax free. The man hating woman voting block is appeased.

If the propaganda is effective enough. A tax fuelled, prison industrial complex is established.

The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. --Sun Tsu

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