What is dating exactly? Appreciiate your defintions.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

A date is an unnecessary and expensive waste of time and money ritual on the path towards the exploitive condition of marriage. It has absolutely nothing to do with sex or love. So why the hell would any man do it?

One of the most important things you can say to a woman is: “This is not a date.”

[DeepInThoughtParticipant 2710]

Y_ wrote:

Are we men that pathetic?

What is pathetic is what MOST men will do for a chance to sniff between her legs, this includes legging another guy over and acting like a pathetic mangina.

[HitmanParticipant]

Dating is two people who get together to find out more about each other, with eating and drinking as activities while doing so. You find out more about her to see if she’s not only receptive of the dick, but if she’s WORTHY.
They think they are worthy. .few are.
Maybe 1 in 100.
Skill is required to extract information about her. She will likely lie..This disqualifies her,as many criteria need to be met, decisiveness is crucial.
Remember YOU are the prize.
Guard yourself. If free,no commitment f~~~ing isn’t established in a few dates, move on.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Hitman wrote:

Dating is two people who get together to find out more about each other,

Exactly reason why I don’t date. I already have an idea I won’t like what she’ll say, and I am pretty sure she won’t like what I’d say – so why even bother? Unless you have tolerance for being told lies and don’t mind lying yourself – there is no reason to go on a date.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[HawkeParticipant 197]

In my book it´s a huge waste of money and precious time that could have been spent more productively.

Qui audet adipiscitur - Who dares, wins

[Mr. SpockParticipant 10910]

Dating is a term used by women to justify temporarily using a man’s resources without giving anything in return. Men are not allowed to expect anything, which is how the ladies like it. In a sense, it’s like a practice run at marriage. During this time the woman will test the man in several areas to see how much and how easily he can be controlled. Men are not allowed to administer any tests of their own.
It differs from marriage because in a marriage, the penalty for the man who wants to get out of it can be steep. This penalty often keeps a man from leaving the marriage. There is not penalty for a man who wants to quit dating. Women hate this and will often use sex as a lure or reward to keep the man from wanting to quit dating.

Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.

[Y_Participant 4591]

Thanks to everyone who responded and read this.
Let’s hope to educate the next generation of men before they f~~~ up for good.

[bobphiloParticipant 1772]

Y_ wrote:

Thanks to everyone who responded and read this.
Let’s hope to educate the next generation of men before they f~~~ up for good.

You’re welcome, Yumbo. As you can see there is a clear consensus that dating has become a dangerous minefield for men to cross. Men must avoid this as what it is. Another means by which women exploit men.

[bobphiloParticipant 1772]

Faust For Science wrote:

yumbo wrote:

Are we men that pathetic?

If a slave is taught to be a slave their whole life, with no examples of being free, how does that person know what being free is.

Faust, I don’t know if you have ever read Plato but you have perfectly described what he wrote about in Plato’s Cave. He talks about how most people are raised in a dark cave and all they are allowed to see are shadows of reality which they are conditioned to think is the real thing. They resist being brought out into the light of day. The rare exceptions include MGTOW who are not afraid to see reality.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

That’s exactly what I hate about Plato’s cave… it doesn’t leave a lot of room for independent access to objective truth.

Call me crazy, but I believe we come equipped with an instinctual awareness of things like freedom, fairness, honesty and safety. I do not believe that everything we perceive and believe is socially constructed but rather that we have the ability to independently recognize when we are being treated right and when we’re getting f~~~ed.

What I call morals and ethics do not relate to social rules we are given through the process of acculturation but rather to these instinctual drives for self preservation and promotion. Morality is our intrinsic awareness that what we are doing to ourselves promoted and sustains our own life and ethics is the same but relating to what we do to others and what they do to us.

While some may believe that a person’s moral or ethical compass comes from God, the parents, proper schooling or good politics, I believe they are a natural part of a human’s toolkit and that, rather than having to beat them INTO a child’s head, you actually have to beat them OUT.

In other words, acculturation is the process of forcing a naturally good and free human to accept slavery, unfairness, dishonesty and shame as a normal part of life. To return to Plato, it’s the process of making a man believe that he is in a cave of illusions when in fact, everything he perceives with his natural eyes and mind is the real truth.

In slave terms, we all know our real names from our point of arrival without having to be told but society has to beat us without relenting until we’re willing to answer to “Toby”.

[bobphiloParticipant 1772]

Plato believed that we are all born with an innate sense of justice, freedom and knowledge. He illustrated this in the Meno where he gets an uneducated slave boy to solve a geometry problem by simply asking him the right questions. He felt that what the senses tell us is a pale reflection of true reality. His only problem is mistaking logical reality, which is innate, with empirical reality, which can only be learned by sensory observation.
A good modern example of false reality is illustrated by “reality” shows which stupid gullible people think reflect actual reality.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

bobphilo wrote:

Plato believed that we are all born with an innate sense of justice, freedom and knowledge. He illustrated this in the Meno where he gets an uneducated slave boy to solve a geometry problem by simply asking him the right questions.

With all due respect to Plato, a clever man can get three people to confess to the same murder by asking them the right questions… and Plato was most certainly a clever man.

When I say innate sense of justice, etc, I don’t mean it’s built in and Plato can extract it from us, I mean that we can feel the truth the way Morpheus talks about feeling the Matrix. I also do not believe that our senses feed us lies… I believe that other people feed us lies by directing our senses along particular paths by which they stand to gain for themselves.

Sin my mind, asking an illiterate and innumerate person the right questions to get to their “innate truth” is leading the witness just as much as framing specific shots with a particular agenda to present a false truth is presenting “reality” television. Two different paths to the same goal, manipulation and control.

Bottom line… we all have a sense of justice, fairness, and what is right and wrong which is driven by our motivations to survive and procreate and mediated by natural outcomes of reality which we can perceive directly through our unclouded senses. You step in front of a train, you die. You believe in a bulls~~~ religion, you endure a lifetime of guilt and suffering. There is no difference between the two, the truths of life are really that simple and we don’t need Hollywood or Plato to lead us to them.

[bobphiloParticipant 1772]

Stargazer wrote:

bobphilo wrote:

Plato believed that we are all born with an innate sense of justice, freedom and knowledge. He illustrated this in the Meno where he gets an uneducated slave boy to solve a geometry problem by simply asking him the right questions.

With all due respect to Plato, a clever man can get three people to confess to the same murder by asking them the right questions… and Plato was most certainly a clever man.

When I say innate sense of justice, etc, I don’t mean it’s built in and Plato can extract it from us, I mean that we can feel the truth the way Morpheus talks about feeling the Matrix. I also do not believe that our senses feed us lies… I believe that other people feed us lies by directing our senses along particular paths by which they stand to gain for themselves.

Sin my mind, asking an illiterate and innumerate person the right questions to get to their “innate truth” is leading the witness just as much as framing specific shots with a particular agenda to present a false truth is presenting “reality” television. Two different paths to the same goal, manipulation and control.

Bottom line… we all have a sense of justice, fairness, and what is right and wrong which is driven by our motivations to survive and procreate and mediated by natural outcomes of reality which we can perceive directly through our unclouded senses. You step in front of a train, you die. You believe in a bulls~~~ religion, you endure a lifetime of guilt and suffering. There is no difference between the two, the truths of life are really that simple and we don’t need Hollywood or Plato to lead us to them.

The big difference is that Plato was able to get the correct solutions to the geometrical problem rather than someone tricking a suspect into a false confession. Mathematical problems are simply logical ones which we are born with an inane sense of. Of course many people have never developed this innate talent as evident in the many crazy contradictory beliefs people hold. As a teacher I employed the Socratic method where the emphasis is getting the student to use this innate logical talent rather than merely pouring facts into an empty head.
True, there is also Empirical knowledge which can only be gained by observing the world of the senses. Hume made this important distinction between what he called Matters of Fact (Empirical) and Relation of Ideas (Logic).
The only problem with Plato is he lumped both of these together as innate.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

bobphilo wrote:

The big difference is that Plato was able to get the correct solutions to the geometrical problem rather than someone tricking a suspect into a false confession.

Okay, how about this then… a skilled magician can lead a total idiot into doing exactly what they want. A skilled lawyer can coach a witness to testify against an innocent person. A skilled teacher can make a student believe a demonstrable falsehood. A skilled priest can lead a person to reject their natural instincts. A skilled equestrian can get a horse to stamp out the right answer to an addition problem.

Plato got a slave to give him the answer he was lead to. Big f~~~ing deal. Give an innumerate a chalkboard and tell him to solve a quadratic equation with no leading. Not going to happen. But slap that moron in the head and he’ll know without a doubt that he’s been wronged.

That’s what I’m talking about.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Dating:
The opportunity to pay for the initial s~~~ testing to confirm the probability of a potentially life long s~~~ test.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Ricardo (Shadow)Participant 12]

In my Career as a cereal dater I would say dating is a fantasies woman create to make a man believe she is truly yours while she leeches your resources and once she has sucked every single penny out of you she will look for another host the thing about woman is that that this type of leach has 2 heads and will have 2 host if nessary to drain both men of there resources one sexually the other financially

[OldBillParticipant]

dating, v. The loss of time, money, and self respect resulting from the mistaken assumption that one woman differs from another.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Dating is basically a chore, something like a job interview: men are taught we need a job in order to support ourselves, and also men are taught we need a vagina in order to get sexual pleasure.
The first teaching is right, the second teaching is wrong.
Dating is very similar to a job interview: the man makes a lot of efforts in order to “getting the job” (having sex with her) and the woman submit a lot of s~~~ tests on him, while also trying to get the higher possible price for her pussy.

What are porn and sex toys?
Things making men less dependent from the vagina – that’s why feminists hate both porn and sex toys for men.

“The onslaught of porn is responsible for deadening male libido in relation to real women, and leading men to see fewer and fewer women as ‘porn-worthy.’ Far from having to fend off porn-crazed young men, young women are worrying that as mere flesh and blood, they can scarcely get, let alone hold, their attention.“

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Wolf#Pornography

What is “yes-means-yes” law?
“Yes-means-yes” law is a way to make such job interview even harder for men, and by so raising the price of the pussy. That’s why feminists support “yes-means-yes”.

Naturally, the existence of porn AND “yes-means-yes” combined together it’s going to have very interesting effects… 😉

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