What is a "well regulated militia"?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

In the U.S Constitution, the second amendment says this:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

What is meant by a “well regulated Militia”? In this amendment, is not the “well regulated” part of it the context for the right to bear arms? What I see in gun debate isn’t the issue of arms for militias that are well regulated, but how much firepower is needed to hunt, or defend oneself from a robbery. Without using the context of a “well regulated Militia”, isn’t the context for the right to bear arms not understood?

So, what is a “well regulated militia”?

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[ghostParticipant]

We have deviated so far from the days of when the 2nd Amendment was written that it no longer even makes sense to discuss this. We need a political revolution in this country to restore order.

[The Batman 2020Participant 2112]

It is but the people

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It doesn’t say the state anywhere. It’s not the national guard either.

Well regulated just means well trained.

“According to the U.S. Constitution, Federal Law, nearly all state constitutions and state
code, all male citizens ages 18-45 years are members of the militia. According to Anglo-Saxon
Common Law, and the laws and customs of the American Colonies before our separation from
the British Empire, all males (and even females during an actual emergency) between the ages of
16 and 60 were considered members of the militia. So the militia, like your God given rights,
existed before the United States government was formed. And as such, you are already a member
of the militia, by statute and by God-given right.”

– Militia Standards and Principles of the Light Foot

These standards make the case for a well regulated militia don’t you think?

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[Anonymous 7]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

What I see in gun debate isn’t the issue of arms for militias that are well regulated, but how much firepower is needed to hunt, or defend oneself from a robbery

During the Founders time there were hand held weapons that were repeaters, long and short.

They were expensive and required much training but they existed.

I own several replica old school muzzle loading weapons. Granted they are not as efficient but they are every bit as deadly.

To suggest that the founders meant single shot muzzle loading muskets is lunacy.

Yeah, 1780.
Girardoni Air Gun (original 1780 example)

Almost 50 and have been arms owner since the age of consent. I have not murdered or shot anyone.

[ghostParticipant]

In my humble opinion, a well-regulated militia would involve me owning an Abrams tank and plenty of other advanced military hardware.

[The Batman 2020Participant 2112]

That’s always the argument, that we don’t have tanks and planes and nukes to compete but we don’t need them.

That’s the beauty of insurgent warfare. Look at the war Afghanistan.

Read this book: Counterinsurgency Warfare: Theory and Practice

Your 20's are for learning, your 30's are for earning.

[The Batman 2020Participant 2112]

Anonymous wrote:

To suggest that the founders meant single shot muzzle loading muskets is lunacy.

Your 20's are for learning, your 30's are for earning.

[ghostParticipant]

The Batman 2020 wrote:

That’s the beauty of insurgent warfare. Look at the war Afghanistan.

I agree. The Afghans are a great example. We can learn something from those guys. They are tough as nails.

We can do some serious damage with simply an M16 and a Ford F-150. Maybe an M134 Minigun mounted in the bed as well. The Afghans have been fighting NATO with Toyota pickup trucks and AK-47s.

[Anonymous 7]

ghost wrote:

n my humble opinion, a well-regulated militia would involve me owning an Abrams tank and plenty of other advanced military hardware.

Yup.

I wanna GAU-8 Avenger mounted on my truck with ammo.

Brrrrrrt.Get Some.

For the lefty. My cold dead hands, f~~~er. Go busybody somewhere else. Perhaps Starbucks.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

The constitution is outdated. Which is why we’ve had to amend it so many times. It’s time for America to write a new constitution. Where the wording isn’t confusing, isn’t open to interpretation, and doesn’t contain amendments that fk over the American citizen.

[Anonymous 7]

There was a time not long ago when rifles and shotguns were stacked in barrels at drug stores of all places. Anyone, (age consent?) could buy one.

So what changed?
I have theories but they are only that. What in your mind changed?

At one time arms were sold like milk and beans, why now is it a problem?

You know why but you don’t wanna say.

[ghostParticipant]

IRuleMe wrote:

It’s time for America to write a new constitution.

I’m actually fine with the original one without most of the stupid updates.

[The Batman 2020Participant 2112]

Anonymous wrote:

At one time arms were sold like milk and beans, why now is it a problem?

“Until the insurgent has clearly revealed his intentions by engaging in
subversion or open violence, he represents nothing but an imprecise, potential
menace to the counterinsurgent and does not offer a concrete target that
would justify a large effort. Yet an insurgency can reach a high degree of development
by legal and peaceful means, at least in countries where political
opposition is tolerated. This greatly limits pre-emptive moves on the part
of the counterinsurgent. Usually, the most he can do is to try to eliminate
or alleviate the conditions propitious for an insurgency.“

From page 5 Counterinsurgency Warfare: Theory and Practice

Your 20's are for learning, your 30's are for earning.

[Anonymous 42]

The constitution is nothing but a big pile of DOG S~~~ there to tease those that desire true freedom and the same time a slumber pill for those that ate the s~~~ and believed they’re free.

It’s toilet paper, wipe your ass with it and throw it away. Don’t know how? Ask your nearest politician, judge, lawyer, or cop, they know how, they’re EXPERTS!

[Anonymous 7]

IRuleMe wrote:

The constitution is outdated.

Riiiiiiight.

IRuleMe wrote:

Which is why we’ve had to amend it so many times.

Last time:
Twenty-seventh Amendment (1992): Limits congressional pay raises.
25 years ago.

[ghostParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Ask your nearest politician, judge, lawyer, or cop, they know how, they’re EXPERTS!

This is an unfortunate truth, men. Educated and responsible men like us have little respect in our current society. The respected are the ones who pander to women.

[The Batman 2020Participant 2112]

Anonymous wrote:

The constitution is nothing but a big pile of DOG S~~~ there to tease those that desire true freedom and the same time a slumber pill for those that ate the s~~~ and believed they’re free.

As it stands now you are right we are a defeated people. That’s why we must reoccupy the republic. The constitution is a guide for our god-given rights.. An animal has the right to defense with it’s claws, we have arms.

The revolution starts in the minds of men. There was a post earlier with someone rambling about his sovereignty in God, he’s closer to realizing his power than most.

Your 20's are for learning, your 30's are for earning.

[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain – that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.”
— Lysander Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority

“Thou Shalt Not Steal.”
— God

If I own a gun, it is my property and the laws of God and nature dictate that no one, including any collection of men commonly known as “government,” may steal it from me for any reason without violating the laws of God and nature.

The Constitution doesn’t guarantee s~~~, and has been powerless to stop the encroachment upon our liberties, however well-intentioned it might have been.

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[WPLParticipant 2390]

In the context of language used when the Constitution was written, “well regulated” does not mean subject to strict legal regulation. Rather, it means something more along the lines of “well-equipped” and “in proper working order”.

What many people, especially those outside of the US, don’t realize is that the Constitution does NOT grant rights — it RECOGNIZES innate, preexisting rights and limits Government interference in those rights. (At least that is how it’s supposed to work — I’m under no illusions that we still follow this model as the Founders had intended).

[AstroParticipant 2045]

ghost wrote:

We have deviated so far from the days of when the 2nd Amendment was written that it no longer even makes sense to discuss this. We need a political revolution in this country to restore order.

God help us if the modern leftists rewrote the Constitution or even had a part in doing so. The new 2nd Amendment would read:

“A well controlled military being necessary for a police state, the right of the government to bear arms shall not be infringed!”

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