What if the world doesn't have this monetary structure?

[PatrickXParticipant 217]

So, I watched “Zeitgeist Moving Forward” one day, and that is a movement to bring the idea beyond money, and http://www.tromsite.com to see that it is possible to live in a world without money, and trying to get everybody to show true love and compassion for every human. (Wonders if this is possible).

But since men don’t have to spend most of their lives working for stuff as most of the jobs would be replaced my machines and automation. Materialsim would disappear, and humans would enjoy their lives with different things.

I always wonder how a woman and a man would still even want to reproduce if every human could possible live forever.

Any thoughts?

[VileNordParticipant 766]

Wow! Thanks for the link PatrickX!

These are truly fascinating thought experiments. I saw the documentary “Future by Design” years ago and was thoroughly impressed with Jacque Fresco’s vision for a society in which there was no want for material goods, food, or labor. I think it is a noble goal and worth working towards, but I have reservations.

1) Just like Ayn Rand’s philosophy of personal capitalism, or Karl Marx’s “Communist Manifesto”, the idea of a utopia brought on by technological mastery of our planet fails to account for the volatility of human emotion. If we all thought and felt the same then we would all act the same, but we don’t. Unless our nature as human beings itself is changed, there will always be enough people acting outside of the system to effect the function of the system.

2) One of the biggest hurdles I see in a world where we have machines that can create anything we desire, building objects atom by atom at our request, is boredom. Not all men are creative people able to occupy their sentience with artistic endeavors, most people need the fulfillment of a hard days work in order to avoid insanity. What jobs will there be for this majority of people, how will they be compensated if there is no currency, no need to purchase anything, no drive to acquire prosperity?

3) Women would be affected the most by a society in which all men are economically equal. There will be nowhere for their hypergamy to go, it will be trapped and it will eat them from the inside. Once again, we would have to change the very nature of the human condition in order to bring about an effective utopia. This is why we question whether or not mankind can make the transition or not.

I’m not being cynical. I’m taking the pool of knowledge that I have acquired over the years and placing it into the matrix of a “utopian society in which all men are equal and want for nothing”. It doesn’t look good. The power of the mind to see itself as an individual, separate from the masses, is something that will never be eradicated. And in my opinion it shouldn’t be eradicated. Individualism is what drives people. There exists a myriad of social structures that look great on paper, but not a one of them accounts for human emotion and the impact that emotions will have on the performance of the system. We are not Vulcans.

Lust for comfort suffocates the soul

[PatrickXParticipant 217]

Without jobs, there would be no reason to work. We work right now because we have to. But what would you do with all of your time if you didn’t have to work you ask? I would exercise, learn new things for free, play video games and challenge myself. There can always be a substitute for a hard day’s work. There’s always sports, and people will be “available” to spend time with and that’s important. I get depressed because my friends are always busy and never invite me to events, and I always miss out. Would all men be equal? While social stratification would be obsolete, there will always be human emotion so we will never be a utopia. Mistakes will be made. I would just have a better future, where a human could actually spend more of their life truly enjoying beyond their horizon, rather than make hard efforts and worry about other people judging other people. Not everyone will agree with this because not everyone wants change. The rich for example, want their money to be of use, but all this materialistic stuff just doesn’t mean too much to me as it does to other people. I could have a lot of nice things and I could lose a lot of nice things. The mindset based on the latter should not bring you down. Obviously Men and Women could change. Nobody would be equal. For example: one guy likes biology, and the other likes computer technology. So there is so much. I just watched the first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, and I don’t necessarily think earth will have it’s problems. Why not explore the galaxy? Learn more about the universe? This of course, depends on the course of actions our humanity as a whole takes. We could be heading to paradise or oblivion.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Thanks for the link! Personally I lean toward capitalism , otherwise – without “money” – it starts to look like North Korea and socialist societies. “Enslave yourself to us, and do and think as we want you to, vote for us, and you won’t have to work, and we will always make sure there is enough bread for you to eat and you will have a roof over your head.”

It seems appealing concept and thats why so many people – including single mommies – vote for big governments to take care of them when they can’t get a man who will.

I remember a Charlie Sheen quote: “Money is only something you need in case you don’t die tomorrow” which is also very true, and that attitude can help a MGTOW scale his stress level down significantly. After all, the only reason to work, is so you can afford to do the things you WANT to do when you’re not working.

Work to live? Or live to work. Those are a man’s choices.

There was a story on the news about a young, decent looking guy who could have worked to make a living.. but he was perfectly content taking government handouts and being a complete beach bum. Doing whatever he wanted without a care in the world. It’s a parasitic lifestyle and I don’t think it works for men. It’s a good bet he will regret it later in life when he looks around and sees that he made no contribution. Our achievements and accomplishments are too rewarding to give up. Just thinking out loud…

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[PatrickXParticipant 217]

It’s mostly a movement where everyone learns to think for themselves. (even women hopefully). Without critical thinking we’re letting ourselves get doomed. We’re mostly distracted by movies, games and whatnot. Is there something wrong with that? Well, if you can say your happy with your life with the way things are, then no. But one day, all that you could have could be taken away. You just don’t know when or if that will happen. So, these links are presented to teach on how to move forward despite losing all the great things you have. Be humble that you have a computer, a roof over your head, internet access (with net neutrality), a car, or whatever because we always take these things for granted and know we can lose them. But that’s not the point.

as for money, materialistic items: Nobody likes me for who I am, so whether I like it or not, capitalism exists in the US. (that’s where I live), and won’t change anytime soon until the dollar fails. (do the googling for that). I am going to work a lot to buy things I want, and go places I want to go. If girls are attracted to me because of my materialistic items, I know what to do. But I digress.

Whether we like it or not, our world is changing, and to be honest, I’m not too sure in detail on how it will change, but it always does. Look back at how people acted in the 60’s and compare it to the 70’s 80’s 90’s 2000’s and this decade. I’m sure you see a difference.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

We don’t have to act the way other people do or the way we expect. That’s what GYOW is all about. I was in Los Angeles not long ago and I complained about the way something was not right. The person I was with said “this is LA” and “it is what it is”. I hate that so much. To be accepting of something unacceptable because of geography? I don’t care what time or decade it is, or where I am in the world, my behavior and actions will be the same. I am not a product my environment, my environment is a product of me. True or not, that’s how I cultivate my own existence and how we must all look at it.

If something is “not right” it’s not right EVERYWHERE.
“This is LA” is the most substandard reply.

Nobody likes me for who I am

Maybe I misunderstanding your meaning, but perhaps it will turn around if you consider not thinking about who you are or what others like, but MAKE the person you want to become. Then it won’t matter if they like you or not.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[PatrickXParticipant 217]

I don’t know what I want to be, but I feel good being content on who I am and what I’m doing so far. I’ll live for myself. The book “The Manipulated Man” helps me a lot. Ironically this woman author explains a lot of things of how illogical women are, and it’s a shame what humanity is actually is. I really want to believe that women are more useful in this world then to just offer nothing but their vagina, soft talk, intimacy, etc. With “The Venus Project” and “The Zeitgeist Movement”, and science/physics talks from Michio Kaku, I find that there is hope for these women to change themselves for the better. I see it all a process of human evolution, and it interests me a lot.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I don’t know what I want to be

That’s OK.

“The most interesting over 40+ year olds I know STILL don’t.”
– Baz Lurman

Have fun Patrick. Have FUN and have as much as you can.

Women are always looking to “find” themselves.
But men CREATE themselves.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ManyNamesManyTitlesParticipant 24]

yes the venus project is awesome to some dagree http://www.thevenusproject.com and http://www.tromsite.com there both linked there are good ideas i am not sure tho what effect this will have on the lives of men if it can serve the greater good of men then i support it

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

Willy Nelson said “I don’t need money, only the people I owe need money”

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

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